Tiaras and Jewels Camilla might use as Queen

[Iluvbertie]

There are only four occasions a year when they wear tiaras and I am not even sure they will continue. By the time Camilla is Queen Consort she will be close to 80 so maybe not even into wearing the big jewels.

Even now the Diplomatic Reception next month won't be a tiara event and if that becomes the norm I don't see it going back to a tiara event ... so maybe down to only three and if The Queen limits State 'Banquets' to no tiara events as well it may very well be only one tiara event a year.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Yes, society has changed. At the start of QEII reign it was still normal to have white tie at diners, gala premières, at operas and concerts etc. Wearing grand jewels was "normal" and said events would see an assembling of the high society, of lords and ladies in their finest.

But these days often royals are the only ones wearing grand jewels. Where in other monarchies the dresscode is sometimes adapted to the wishes of the hosts, at home it sometimes results in a total mismatch.

I remember the State Visit of the Brazilean President where QEII paraded with aquamarine thickstones (a gift by Brazil) while the Brazileans, totally unimpressed, appeared in their wrinkled daily suit-and-tie: picture.

And as more and more republics want to be "inclusive", even glorious France, appearing in a wrinkled sweaty suit-and-tie seems acceptable while the hosts have black tie as a lowered dresscode: picture

No, sadly the jewels will only come out of the cassette at royal-royal events, I guess.

 

[Stefan]

But these days often royals are the only ones wearing grand jewels. Where in other monarchies the dresscode is sometimes adapted to the wishes of the hosts, at home it sometimes results in a total mismatch.

I remember the State Visit of the Brazilean President where QEII paraded with aquamarine thickstones (a gift by Brazil) while the Brazileans, totally unimpressed, appeared in their wrinkled daily suit-and-tie: picture.

And as more and more republics want to be "inclusive", even glorious France, appearing in a wrinkled sweaty suit-and-tie seems acceptable while the hosts have black tie as a lowered dresscode: picture

But these 2 examples come to because the guests did not follow the dresscode from their Hosts. The royals usually adapt to the dresscode on foreign State Visits which these 2 President's did not want to do.

 

[muriel]

Till the Queen became very old to travel overseas, typically, there were two outgoing state visits a year and two incoming state visits a year. Add the Diplomatic Reception, and the State Opening of Parliament, and you have 6 tiara events a year. Additionally, HM would wear a tiara for the service for the Order of the Thistle (I can't remember how often the service is) and am I right in thinking it is also worn to the service for the Order of Bath at St Paul's?

Whilst the broader point remains that there has been a lot less use of jewellery in recent years compared to when HM became monarch, it has not completely died out. Camilla still wears serious necklaces (but no tiaras) at several other events a year, including the recent dinner for the British Asian Trust or the Royal Variety Show. In time, so will Catherine.

 

[Mary-Rose]

As mentioned before, I think the Delhi Durbar is a likely option for Camilla, the same for the Oriental Ruby. We should remember most Tiaras of Queen Elizabeth II are personal Jewels and its not "safe" Charles/Camilla will inherit them. Maybe unlikely but it would be possible William/Kate receive the Girls of Great Britain and Ireland Tiara or another Tiara, so Camilla could not wear it....who knows...

 

[Stefan]

As mentioned before, I think the Delhi Durbar is a likely option for Camilla, the same for the Oriental Ruby. We should remember most Tiaras of Queen Elizabeth II are personal Jewels and its not "safe" Charles/Camilla will inherit them. Maybe unlikely but it would be possible William/Kate receive the Girls of Great Britain and Ireland Tiara or another Tiara, so Camilla could not wear it....who knows...

I think most if not all Jewels and other personal belongings will go direct from Queen Elizabeth II. to King Charles III as a monarch to monarch inheritance is tax free which is not the case for other persons. Perhaps she will mark some iotems which Charles will the pass on further as i think 7 years after receiving a gift then not taxes have to be paid.

 

[muriel]

I think most if not all Jewels and other personal belongings will go direct from Queen Elizabeth II. to King Charles III as a monarch to monarch inheritance is tax free which is not the case for other persons. Perhaps she will mark some iotems which Charles will the pass on further as i think 7 years after receiving a gift then not taxes have to be paid.

I agree, I think the Queen will leave her entire estate to Charles. Other members of the family have probably already been provided for through trust funds. Further, there may be small sentimental gifts that may be left to individual family members.

 

[Stefan]

Till the Queen became very old to travel overseas, typically, there were two outgoing state visits a year and two incoming state visits a year. A

Because of the Queen haven't made State Visits abroad for several years now there will be a big backhole for them but i fear that it will become even bigger as when Charles suceeds he will probably close to 80 and it is the question how long he then can make them.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

As mentioned before, I think the Delhi Durbar is a likely option for Camilla, the same for the Oriental Ruby. We should remember most Tiaras of Queen Elizabeth II are personal Jewels and its not "safe" Charles/Camilla will inherit them. Maybe unlikely but it would be possible William/Kate receive the Girls of Great Britain and Ireland Tiara or another Tiara, so Camilla could not wear it....who knows...

When the Queen would leave priceless jewels to her granddaughters Mrs Michael Tindall, Mrs Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, Mrs Jack Brooksbank and Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor, that is a "poisoned" gift because the taxman will knock at the door and demand succession taxes to be paid over the inheritance. Chance is that said ladies will have to auction it to overcome taxes, so it will possibly get lost for the wider royal family.

Best is to have it all inherited by Charles and then the new King can be so gracious to give his nieces Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie and Louise access to a pool of family jewels they can use.

 

[muriel]

Because of the Queen haven't made State Visits abroad for several years now there will be a big backhole for them but i fear that it will become even bigger as when Charles suceeds he will probably close to 80 and it is the question how long he then can make them.

The Queen kept going with overseas visits till she was about 90, so I suspect Charles will try as long as his health permits.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

If King Charles III does create a pool of family jewels and would eventually give the Greville Emerald Tiara to Mrs. Jack Brooksbank, would the tiara still be "a poisoned gift"?

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

If King Charles III does create a pool of family jewels and would eventually give the Greville Emerald Tiara to Mrs. Jack Brooksbank, would the tiara still be "a poisoned gift"?

No, because Mrs Jack Brooksbank will be able to wear the sparkling diamonds without the taxman demanding 300.000 Pounds or so to be paid for having this cassette in the bedside cabinet drawer. Jewels in a family pool are given in usufruct, not in ownership.

We only need to look to the Snowdons and the Kents to see royal jewels auctioned off.

 

[Iluvbertie]

If King Charles III does create a pool of family jewels and would eventually give the Greville Emerald Tiara to Mrs. Jack Brooksbank, would the tiara still be "a poisoned gift"?

Why would he give a tiara to Princess Eugenie?

It is highly unlikely that she will ever attend an event to wear one - other than possibly William's coronation (no I don't see any of the Yorks being at Charles' coronation).

 

[Stefan]

It is highly unlikely that she will ever attend an event to wear one - other than possibly William's coronation (no I don't see any of the Yorks being at Charles' coronation).

So youtr hink als Zara and Peter, lady Louise and her brother will not attend the coronation of Charles. Or do you think he will exclude them because of their father. Would be rather unfair as they can not be blamed for his faults and have nothin g to do with them.

 

[muriel]

If King Charles III does create a pool of family jewels and would eventually give the Greville Emerald Tiara to Mrs. Jack Brooksbank, would the tiara still be "a poisoned gift"?

I am not sure why there is the need to create a family pool of jewels. Those members that represent the Firm are provided with a suitable collection of jewels to use in their lifetime. Some of them return to the BRF after the death of the member of the RF (eg the Papyrus tiara preiviously used by Princess Margaret, and since been used by Catherine). The rest of the collection remains under the control of the monarch of the day, which ensures the collection remains intact.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I am not sure why there is the need to create a family pool of jewels. Those members that represent the Firm are provided with a suitable collection of jewels to use in their lifetime. Some of them return to the BRF after the death of the member of the RF (eg the Papyrus tiara preiviously used by Princess Margaret, and since been used by Catherine). The rest of the collection remains under the control of the monarch of the day, which ensures the collection remains intact.

The initial question was if Queen Elizabeth II would bequeathe jewels to other family members than Charles. (Anything Charles inherits from his mother is exempted of succession taxes).


Of course the Queen can distribute cassettes with jewels to her children and grandchildren, but they will be faced with hefty succession taxes for items which will be rarely used.

 

[muriel]

The initial question was if Queen Elizabeth II would bequeathe jewels to other family members than Charles. (Anything Charles inherits from his mother is exempted of succession taxes).


Of course the Queen can distribute cassettes with jewels to her children and grandchildren, but they will be faced with hefty succession taxes for items which will be rarely used.

> My guess is that the other children and grand children have been provided with cash and other assets to ensure they have good standards of living. They have probably all been given some jewellery as well, perhaps some time ago.

> As long as the bequests are 7 years before the death of the person, no inheritance tax is payable. Further, trust structures can be used to minimise tax payments.

> The other option may be to leave all the assets to Charles in a tax free transfer. Charles may then, selectively, choose to lend or, in time, gift, certain items of jewellery to certain members of the family. As long as Charles lives for 7 years after the gift, no taxes will be payable.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

> My guess is that the other children and grand children have been provided with cash and other assets to ensure they have good standards of living. They have probably all been given some jewellery as well, perhaps some time ago.

> As long as the bequests are 7 years before the death of the person, no inheritance tax is payable. Further, trust structures can be used to minimise tax payments.

> The other option may be to leave all the assets to Charles in a tax free transfer. Charles may then, selectively, choose to lend or, in time, gift, certain items of jewellery to certain members of the family. As long as Charles lives for 7 years after the gift, no taxes will be payable.

That is all correct. But personally I hope all jewels, assembled in generations, will not be fragmented. So that also under King Charles, King William, King George and their successors all these heirlooms will remain available.

 

[muriel]

That is all correct. But personally I hope all jewels, assembled in generations, will not be fragmented. So that also under King Charles, King William, King George and their successors all these heirlooms will remain available.

I would not expect the jewels to be fragmented. They have probably been provided small momentoes, but the rest of the collection is probably being kept intact for the main line.

 

[Susan D]

The Duchess obviously has favourite jewels that she wears a lot. So, I expect that same pattern to continue when she's queen. For instance, she likes her pearl necklaces and she has her own stuff and I do not see her wearing a ton of the items that QEII now wears. However, we shall see.

 

[muriel]

The Duchess obviously has favourite jewels that she wears a lot. So, I expect that same pattern to continue when she's queen. For instance, she likes her pearl necklaces and she has her own stuff and I do not see her wearing a ton of the items that QEII now wears. However, we shall see.

I think Camilla will most certainly wear items from QE2's jewel box, but may at first wear some of the lesser seen pieces. But you are right, eventually she will revert to her favourites, though there may well be new favourites.

 

[Tilia C.]

I think that she will continue to wear her favorites, while adding pieces from the current Queen. After all, it's part of the job description to wear the royal heirlooms, as a sign of the continuity within the monarchy. But within that framework, there is a lot of room for personal choices. With such a large collection of priceless jewels, it will be easy to avoid lesser liked pieces.

I really, really hope that the tradition to wear the George IV state diadem to the State Opening of Parliament will continue. And I'd love to see a second tiara being assigned to her during HM's lifetime. As great as the honeycomb tiara is, but some diversity would be great.

 

[muriel]

I think that she will continue to wear her favorites, while adding pieces from the current Queen. After all, it's part of the job description to wear the royal heirlooms, as a sign of the continuity within the monarchy. But within that framework, there is a lot of room for personal choices. With such a large collection of priceless jewels, it will be easy to avoid lesser liked pieces.

I agree. I would love to see Camilla start to wear brooches more often. As Queen, she will have access to what is probably the largest collection of brooches in the world.

 

[An Ard Ri]

I agree. I would love to see Camilla start to wear brooches more often. As Queen, she will have access to what is probably the largest collection of brooches in the world.

Not sure any other royal house comes close to the queen's magnificent brooch collection.

 

[muriel]

Not sure any other royal house comes close to the queen's magnificent brooch collection.

Indeed, and I would love to see it continue to be used, as it has been in the current reign.

Perhaps Catherine may like to convert some of the brooches into pendants.

 

[angieuk]

These are beautiful.
I hope to see these worn again one day!


https://queensjewelvault.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-queen-mothers-cartier-bracelet.html

 

[An Ard Ri]

I wonder if we'll see anything new on Camilla for Trooping the Colour this weekend?

 

[muriel]

I wonder if we'll see anything new on Camilla for Trooping the Colour this weekend?

I certainly hope so. Some possibilities (or wishes!):

- Carved emerald brooch
- One of the bow brooches
- An aquamarine and diamond brooch (either one she has previously used, or the one from the Brazilian aquamarine parure)
- One of the many pearl and diamond options in the vault
- The Graving Dock brooch

 

[MsJulie]

Question: Can Camilla wear any crown, brooch or piece of jewelry she wants to or does she have to get Charles permission first? I know other Family members need permission to borrow and wear pieces ‘owned’ by the Crown. Thanks

 

[An Ard Ri]

There probably are jewels that are reserved solely for use by the queen and the other members of the family must request permission to use other jewels?

The king probably has the final say on the Historic Windsor Jewels