Florestane
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The Metropolitan Police are responsible for their security not the Canadian government. If they live in Canada they aren't really visiting.
This Canadian would also welcome the family to settle here at their own expense, like any other new Canadian.
The Metropolitan Police are responsible for their security not the Canadian government. If they live in Canada they aren't really visiting.
The Metropolitan Police are responsible for their security not the Canadian government. If they live in Canada they aren't really visiting.
Canada obviuously suits Meghan, but do you think Harry will adapt to living there in the long term ? He strikes me as very British kind of guy (football, rugby, polo, cricket, etc.) and Canada is very North American, albeit with its own idiosyncrasies (like Quebec for example). Culturally, I think he would actually adjust better to a place like Australia or South Africa.
So do you expect officers from the Metropolitan Police (that is, the London Police) to relocate to Toronto or Vancouver for five or six months a year to protect Harry and his family ?
Can such a police force even legally operate in Canada on a permanent (or semi-permanent ) basis without some agreement with the Canadian government ? I would imagine that police forces operating in Canada must be under the jurisdiction of the federal or the provincial and municipal governments.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/harry-and-meghan-will-outgrow-the-queen-23kfqrmbn
Behind a paywall there, but the important bit IMO is that Harry and Meghan were asked to put in writing what they envisioned for their Royal future. Harry said "No" as he thought it would leak to the press. Royal aides insisted. He acquiesced and wrote it down. It leaked.
I'm still unclear as to how they'll legally establish a base here. Six month visitor visas are explicitly meant *not* to be used to establish a permanent residence.
And while Meghan would be able to get a visa if she goes back to being a working actress (and can land a role in Toronto), Harry simply doesn't qualify for any of the available immigration visas. He doesn't have the work experience for the Skilled Worker program or the self-employment visas, and no other visas even come close to fitting his profile. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html
Note that Canada used to have a "pay to immigrate" investor visa class, but the program has been closed.
In short, if they *do* land permanently in Canada, they're queue jumping more qualified applicants and taking gross advantage of their money and connections, with little advantage to Canada.
To be clear about something, since apparently it needs to be said: I'm not looking back at previous behaviour and viewing it through the lens of the current circumstances to find some "aha! They were evil the whole time" conclusion. I admire Meghan and Harry's work prior to this point. I just think this particular presumption that they can just move to Canada, and the hypocrisy of crying financial independence while citing Duchy funds, are poorly thought out and insupportable.
Because they are just like us. Royal is a made up term of the life of ordinary people into extraordinary status. That was easy a long time ago. But, today, we know hat they are nothing different or better than we. And, what keeps them in the forefront is that they are celebrities. There is nothing holy or special. And the work that the Sussexes are walking out on is cutting ribbons here and making appearances there. They are ornamental positions. Perhaps, they can do some meaningful work on their own. That I don't know.
They don't need money. They have plenty.
Interesting. It seems probable that the same 60% of Canadians would willingly pay for his security bill, which would resolve one issue for the British government.
That’s not true. He could easily get an investor’s visa.
The federal Immigrant Investor Program is closed. We’re no longer accepting applications for this program.
On June 19, 2014, Bill C-31 became law – archived, terminating applications still in the backlog of the federal Immigrant Investor Program and Entrepreneur Program.
How did you come to that conclusion given that those are two completely different questions ?
Anyway, I am surprised that, in this poll, 60 % of the Canadians polled and, more strikingly, 47 % of Quebec respondents, would like Harry as GG. Nonetheless, I am afraid it would be politically impossible these days to appoint a GG who is not a Canadian citizen and doesn't speak French.
That’s not true. He could easily get an investor’s visa.
Please go back and read my last sentence: "The fact that members of the BRF aren't supposed to act like one of us completely escaped her."
Whether they are just like us or not, members of the BRF represent the UK. They do NOT represent themselves, as celebrities such as movie stars or rock musicians do. Because of that there is an expectation that they act in a dignified manner, at least in public, which Sarah did not always do.
For example,the members of the BRF cannot do a lot of things celebrities often do: voice their opinions on politcal issues, argue in public, attack their boy/girl friend's ex-wife/husband, pose nude or even scantily clad, the list goes on and on.
Furthermore, members of the BRF do NOT simply cut ribbons here and make appearances there and perform ornamental work (and please show me where the Sussexes have stated this is what they are walking out on).
And at her coronation the Queen swore an oath before God, so yes, there is something "holy or special."
But there is one things royals DO have in common with the rest of us. If they don't like their job they don't get to ignore their supervisor's wishes (in this case the Queen), rewrite their job description, and then announce it to the public, a fact Harry and Meghan have ignored.
I understand that Harry and Meghan are very unhappy and I believe they have valid reasons for being so. But that does NOT excuse the way they have behaved. It is very self-centered and completely disrespectful to the Queen.
This is Meghan's project.
Right. Meghan's from the U.S. therefore she doesn't understand your system. But you're from the UK yet you understand ours.Coming from the USA, she does not have the same understanding of public service or public spiritedness.
British celebrities don't pay for their own security?The couple will already have budgeted for private security - like any other American celebrity.
And you know this how?Frankly this divergence seems inevitable because it is a culture clash she is unwilling to reconcile. They could pull this off by plugging into the megabucks of the US TV circuit. Harry remains one of us so hopefully he will be ok. Think of him in the middle of these domestic tensions pulled in different directions and trying to do the right thing - poor lad.
So the newest story is that Meghan signed and followed through on a voiceover deal with Disney. The work was perfumed before they left for Canada in November and was in exchange for a donation to Elephants Without Borders. However, the fact that nothing was said about it, even though it was done for a donation to a very worthwhile organization, speaks volumes. It also lends credence to the snippets coming out over the last couple of days about suspicions that they’re already making commercial deals.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Disney-return-donation-elephant-charity.html
I don’t think Meghan doing a voiceover/narrator performance for say a documentary in exchange for a charitable contribution would be frowned upon or be unethical.
But if other monies exchanged hands it could be problematic... for a fulltime working royal.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7874687/Friends-Meghan-Markle-open-DAVID-JONES-Megxit.html
'It's always her way or the highway - she flees when things get heavy' - no surprise Meghan jumped the royal ship
I think it becomes more clear everyday that this was carefully planned and that Meghan's decision to quit royal duties did not come overnight.
Maybe it was already clear to her when she did the tearful interview in Africa and people did not fall for her emotional outburst.
What business is Harry going to start & run to qualify?
Can't they move to and stay in Canada if they support themselves and pay taxes?
That seems to be a normal thing to do in most countries. They won't claim welfare. Don't need schooling. Won't need medical care. They won't take jobs from anyone. So what's the problem with H&M settling in Canada?
As for protection. If armed British protection officers can't operate in Canada, Canada will take over responsibility for H&M's safety 24/7/365. And foot the entire bill.
The Canadian taxpayers may protest but Canada will pay. There is no Canadian government that will risk becoming responsible for anything happening to so high profile residents.
Even if H&M get a couple of bodyguards of their own there will be a permanent Canadian police presence nearby.
Whether the police presence will official or unofficial makes no difference, the Canadian taxpayers will foot the bill.
We are talking political careers going down the drain for good, not to mention a huge national embarrassment, if anything was to happen to H&M (a "near miss" would be just as bad) because Canada refused to pay for and as such provide police protection.
Years from now, that may change but for a foreseeable future H&M are way too high profiles.
And would it be so bad? H&M can promote some Canadian causes, that would IMO be a natural thing to do anyway. And if they pay taxes wouldn't they be entitled to protection like any other Canadian citizen who is threatened?
I think this was planned by the time of the Africa documentary and they put on quite a performance. Only some people didn’t react as positively to their ‘’message’ as they hoped/expected.