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Old 01-02-2018, 10:37 PM
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Feminism is not inherently political and anyone who believes in such things as "correct views" is not really a feminist (although I think that's more a stereotype of feminism than anything else).

I really don't care if Meghan ever says the word "feminist" again. It would be nice if she did but I think it's more important that she be allowed to express herself through her work. If she desires and is given the opportunity to work on issues and with charities that center women and their wants/needs, then that's really all that matters.
Agreed. It doesn't really matter whether she ever says feminist again, because she's already said it plenty, proudly declares she is one and made it very clear how she feels about it. Her work will speak for her.
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:07 AM
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Old 01-18-2018, 10:25 PM
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https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...tart-a-family/

Take this for what it's worth. Interesting part:

The Suits alum, 36, and the Captain General of the Royal Marines, 33, are eager to enjoy married life before expanding their brood. “There is so much they want to do as a couple, and Meghan is really keen to begin working for the British Monarchy,” the source adds, noting that Markle “is already having private meetings with charities that Harry has helped set up so she can get to know the humanitarian landscape of the U.K.”
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:35 AM
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A view from a middle-aged male who dimly remembers his childhood days when women didn't have equal rights and feminists were denounced in the media as kooks:

I think it's a little ridiculous when some women state they don't consider themselves to be feminists. Really? They don't believe in the political, economic, personal, or social equality of the sexes? Are they sitting at home waiting for the male breadwinner to arrive from work so they can hand him his slippers & the newspaper so he can read it while they prepare his supper? I work in a university and the other day I overhead a female student tell another student she wasn't a feminist. "So why are you here?" I remember thinking. "Just husband shopping?" Because if you're not a feminist then by definition you don't support equality for the sexes & therefore you wouldn't be wasting time or money pursuing a career. Good grief! Who do you think fought to remove all the barriers that existed for women? Those "kooky" feminists!

And does that mean all feminists are required to agree with one another on all issues or even what equality means? Of course not. Belonging to a political party doesn't mean you necessarily accept all the views of that party or its members. So please, even though you have good reasons for disagreeing with *individual* feminists, or a specific wing within the feminist movement, do NOT denigrate the word "feminist."

So Meghan identified Harry and herself as feminists? You go girl! You have my full support!
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:08 AM
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A view from a middle-aged male who dimly remembers his childhood days when women didn't have equal rights and feminists were denounced in the media as kooks:

I think it's a little ridiculous when some women state they don't consider themselves to be feminists. Really? They don't believe in the political, economic, personal, or social equality of the sexes? Are they sitting at home waiting for the male breadwinner to arrive from work so they can hand him his slippers & the newspaper so he can read it while they prepare his supper? I work in a university and the other day I overhead a female student tell another student she wasn't a feminist. "So why are you here?" I remember thinking. "Just husband shopping?" Because if you're not a feminist then by definition you don't support equality for the sexes & therefore you wouldn't be wasting time or money pursuing a career. Good grief! Who do you think fought to remove all the barriers that existed for women? Those "kooky" feminists!

And does that mean all feminists are required to agree with one another on all issues or even what equality means? Of course not. Belonging to a political party doesn't mean you necessarily accept all the views of that party or its members. So please, even though you have good reasons for disagreeing with *individual* feminists, or a specific wing within the feminist movement, do NOT denigrate the word "feminist."

So Meghan identified Harry and herself as feminists? You go girl! You have my full support!
Wild applause!
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:35 AM
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Gawin,

Not all women want to identify as feminists. That doesn't mean they don't believe in things like equal rights/pay etc etc. I don't think it's right that you try to shame them or make them uncomfortable because they don't either. After all part of the point of being equal etc is being able to determine for yourself and having your choices accepted even if not agreed with.



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Old 01-19-2018, 12:07 PM
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I think the statement announcing that Harry is a "feminist" goes a long way to state openly that this will be an equal marriage in partnership, work, and home. No one person "wears the pants" or "does women's work" or defers to the other. That's what a true partnership is.

I also know that things will not be totally equal between the sexes until there is no need anymore for terms like "feminists". My ideal world is one devoid of all labels and the embracing of each other as individuals without any kind of labels attached.

I do believe that Harry and Meghan will be astounding together in everything they do and as Meghan finds her niche in the scheme of things, her individuality is going to shine through and be encouraged. She won't be standing at a podium speaking out on issues and areas that need change that could be construed as political but she sure will be able to nose dive into areas where doing can bring about those changes needed.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:06 PM
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Gawin,

Not all women want to identify as feminists. That doesn't mean they don't believe in things like equal rights/pay etc etc. I don't think it's right that you try to shame them or make them uncomfortable because they don't either. After all part of the point of being equal etc is being able to determine for yourself and having your choices accepted even if not agreed with.



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This may be true, but it does not change the fact that if they believe in gender equality and so forth, they are the textbook definition of a feminist. They are just in denial.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:37 PM
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This may be true, but it does not change the fact that if they believe in gender equality and so forth, they are the textbook definition of a feminist. They are just in denial.

Yeah just prove my point why don't you. And folks wonder why not all women want to be called feminist.




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Old 01-19-2018, 01:48 PM
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Yeah just prove my point why don't you. And folks wonder why not all women want to be called feminist.




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Well said. If people want to call themselves feminists then that's fine and there is nothing wrong with not wanting to put a label on yourself.

I'm old enough to have remember when this movement started and I've even broken a few glass ceilings in my time and worked hard to ensure equality in the workplace.

I have never called myself a feminist.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:58 PM
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Yeah just prove my point why don't you. And folks wonder why not all women want to be called feminist.




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What exacly is the problem? Presumably most people in the West believe in equal rights for women, which is the basis of the feminist point of view.
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Old 01-19-2018, 02:00 PM
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Exactly, thank you cepe. I hate the labels! My mother helped to break the glass ceilings in her career field (a very male oriented institution), so I was raised with a strong example, but she would of never called herself a feminist.

I have never felt the need to do so either. I resent it when I am told (or other women are told) that because we don't go along with their rules that we are somehow 'hurting the cause' or in denial etc.


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What exacly is the problem? Presumably most people in the West believe in equal rights for women, which is the basis of the feminist point of view.
The problem is how self professed feminists treat other women who don't go along with the narrative or dare to choose to live differently than they think they should.

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Old 01-19-2018, 02:20 PM
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To me, there is nothing more feminine than a woman that knows her own mind and proudly makes her own decisions. Whether its crashing through glass ceilings or reveling in home and family or driving a semi, its the freedom of choice. To put a label on another woman and degrade her for not "joining the cause" and marching as a suffragette against inequality is actually detrimental to the cause in my eyes. Its putting a woman in the same boat as those that have put her in the "little woman" doing "women's work"boat did by telling her that this is how she should be and go with the flow as a sheeple.

Total equality between the sexes begin when the woman knows her own mind, follows her own path and does not kowtow to how she should be, what she should do with her life and how to go about it. Meghan is this sort of woman in my book. She's a strong woman that knows her own mind and knows what she wants in life and follows her own path.

I, myself, refuse to be a sheeple.
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Old 01-19-2018, 02:28 PM
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Can we please stop with the feminist and what it means to each person on a personal level here? Meghan identifies as a feminist and has been a very good example for feminism. And according to her Harry is one as well, not that that's surprising.
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Old 01-19-2018, 02:36 PM
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If ‘feminism’ is only about equal rights then why the need to single people out with a label.

Very, very few people don’t support equal rights.

Megan is a ‘feminist’, Harry is a ‘feminist’, so are most women and men in that they support equal rights.

Nothing earth shattering.
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Old 01-19-2018, 02:36 PM
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:14 AM
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"Women don't need to find their voice, women have a voice, they just need to be encouraged to use it"

Very well said Meghan Markle. I think that's an issue a lot don't realize. Women have a voice, but we aren't going to move forward by just women talking. That's only one aspect of it. In order to change to happen, we need everyone to come together and work together and support each other.
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Old 02-28-2018, 10:39 AM
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"Women don't need to find their voice, women have a voice, they just need to be encouraged to use it"

Very well said Meghan Markle. I think that's an issue a lot don't realize. Women have a voice, but we aren't going to move forward by just women talking. That's only one aspect of it. In order to change to happen, we need everyone to come together and work together and support each other.
Everything she said was completely right and it's really really nice to hear a (future) royal advocate for something like this in such a blunt way. It's not political - how could helping women be heard on issues like these be political. It's clearly wrong vs right and so glad to see Meghan speaking so plainly about it.

We need that kind of candor from her and Harry, Kate and William. From all of our world leaders.

I enjoyed reading about this and listening to the videos. Meghan is really really good at this.

Her comments about women already having a voice - they just need to be heard and listened to and then her comments on helping smaller grassroots orgs have TRF power behind them to help them together... brilliant.

I continue to be impressed with her public speaking off the cuff like that.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:25 PM
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Meghan was incredible! Today's event reminded me of her touching UN speech. She's a fabulous advocate for women. Who knew that the little 11 year-old girl, who so passionately and eloquently fought against a sexist Ivory Soap ad, would still be fighting for women in 2018? She's wonderful.
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:02 PM
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A soon to be royal telling everyone that she fundamentally disagrees with something (in this case the idea that women need to find their voice) is quite a different way of approaching issues you care about than what mostly can be expected of future members. I am sure there are lots of people within the movement using this phrase. Alienating is not a common royal strategy.

So, on the one hand I really like her frankness but on the other hand she might need to learn to find other ways of getting the message across (in her new role).
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