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Eh, didn't like her then, don't like her now. But at least she's dressing better!
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Old 02-06-2006, 02:11 AM
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I do hate her ever more.

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It has been eight months since the Royal Wedding. In those eight months the Camilla ordinary people never knew finally came out. We saw a side of Charles that we havent seen in a while. What is your opinion know on them, mainly Camilla. Now that you have seen a part of who she really is. Do you like her, or do you still dislike her? Why do you like her now and have you always liked her? Why do you still disliker her or dislike her more? Please, only use references to Camilla. Not what others may have said during a heated time were many irrational things went on. Basing on what you have seen on Camilla why do you like her and why do you dislike her. Has Charles become more appealing or do you still dislike him?

P.S. I changed this from the original thread. Maybe this is more appropriate. Please only valid, thorough, and rational responses. I do not want to see a "I cant stand them" post with no reasoning behind it.


Not only her, but also P. Charles, and Lady Di's kids, who have forgotten they once had a mum, so fond of them, they go on with their lives, William was witness to his father's wed to Cam, the 2 brothers get along with the woman who wrecked their mum's marriage and they do love their father who is suspected he has had a say on Diana's odd untimely death, which was so convienient for him and his lover.
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Old 02-06-2006, 02:43 AM
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Her name is Camilla, not Cam. I think I've reminded you of that before.

I'm glad to see you acknowledge that William and Harry love their father and appear to have accepted Camilla.
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Old 02-06-2006, 03:34 AM
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Emilly,
Diana's death was not convenient nor did it benefit Charles and Camilla. The archives from 1996-7 suggest the exact opposite. Charles and Camilla were slowly being accepted and the public getting used to the idea of them marrying. Camilla was being accepted. In the summer of 1997, it was looking good for them. Diana being happy,getting on with her life and remarrying would have only benefitted C+C. They would have probably married years ago if Diana hadn't died. Diana's death shattered her sons, forced C+ C underground in their relationshp, Camilla was in fear for her life. And it started I believe the rise of the Diana fanatics who consider her a saint and feel that C+C should spend the rest of their lives paying for Diana's death.
Camilla has poison pen letters and death threats sent to her.

How has this benefited them?
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Old 02-06-2006, 07:09 AM
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Not only her, but also P. Charles, and Lady Di's kids, who have forgotten they once had a mum, so fond of them, they go on with their lives, William was witness to his father's wed to Cam, the 2 brothers get along with the woman who wrecked their mum's marriage and they do love their father who is suspected he has had a say on Diana's odd untimely death, which was so convienient for him and his lover.
How sad for you that your life is spent hating people you don't even know, because (presumably) of a woman you never knew.

Charles and Camilla have made a wonderful job of helping William and Harry go on with their lives, that is what is supposed to happen after someone has died.
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:49 AM
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According to Giles Brandreth, Diana was asked her views on the marriage in 1994. "Over my dead body", she said. However, in 1996, she said, "They should marry and I'd be happy for them". Her death only put back the marriage and had she been alive, they'd have still married but before 2000 and not after it.

If you look at the wedding footage, it's very clear that William and Harry have a great relationship with their stepmother. Didn't Harry say that they both love her to bits? (He was told to say that I suppose?). In short, Charles adores her. The Queen has given her blessing and gets on extremely well with her. William and Harry love her and have a good relationship with her. She doesn't shirk her duties. She carries out engagements with a Queen Mother like charm and elegance and seems to touch everyone she talks to. She is turning out to be not only one of the hardest working but also one of the most liked members of the Royal Family. People are seeing the real Camilla and not the tabloid monster.

My sister is 13 nearly 14 and she is of the generation that has very little connection with the Monarchy. When she had some friends here, I asked them what they thought of Camilla and I was pleased and suprised to hear that they like her and think she's nice.

It amazes me that by referring to her by a nickname and generally making sweeping statements about her character you think Camilla will say, "Oh well, let's throw in the towel". Diana died and yes, it was very sad. I don't think William and Harry have forgotten their mother - but nor have they distanced Camilla.
I think what we have to ask ourselves is, what does the Monarchy need. I believe we need another Queen Mother figure and I feel we've got that in Camilla. Her comments always seem to be right. When she spoke off the cuff to the cameras after visiting victims of the London Bombings she said, "Seeing all these people here made me feel very proud to be British". Now, on London's main radio station, there is a presenter who was rather nasty about Camilla. But when that clip of her was flashed across the country, he completely changed and said, "She said what the country was thinking". She turns up with a smile and a can-do approach.

Look at the engagement where the Prince of Wales couldn't make it. She carried on regardless and made her appearance. I've noticed that whatever happens, wherever they are - there's a gap. She deliberately let's him walk in front, just like Prince Philip has done with the Queen for all these years and just as Diana never did.
Camilla isn't young. But she isn't old either. She doesn't try to be a faded photocopy of Diana because the original copy wasn't all that successful. Remember that the role of a Royal wife is to support, not to become a star in your own right. Some people are judging her on fashion (there's talk of 'Camilla Chic' entering the dictionary) whilst others see past that and see this amazing woman who has been hidden away in years of fabricated scandal.

When I saw her in the Delhi Durbar tiara, walking alongside Prince Haakon I thought, "Well done Milla - you've made it!".

I think, and judging by the posts before mine here, Camilla's real evolution began at her wedding. For the first time, it wasn't a photograph of her holding a shopping bag or dashing into a hotel. It was a photograph of her looking absolutely beautiful in that flowing porcelain blue gown, that gold feathery tiara and yes, even her hair was perfect! People saw that she had a hidden something. And immediately, the press over here began to change in the way they spoke about her.

'The Sun' was a fierce critic of Diana, but their coverage of Charles and Camilla's wedding said of Camilla (and I quote) , "The bride looked absolutely radiant and obviously overjoyed". I don't like it when they do, but they asked people who had met them what they thought. All the comments were good. One woman said after meeting them on honeymoon (and this is from a copy of the newspaper), "Camilla spoke to me and said she hoped her hat wouldn't blow away. She told me I'd been sensible to go for a wooly hat! She was so nice and friendly - I think she'll win people over".

I think she can too. The trouble is, that while the country gets used to her, there are a sad group of individuals who want to create this mythical almost goddess-like hype around Diana. They seem to sputter and scream whenever they see Camilla - and why? They always cite the affair etc, but they seem to totally forgive all of Diana's mistakes. I find that slightly disturbing and I find it dissapointing that people (and let's face it, it's none of their business and Diana would probably think some of their actions totally repugnant) can't move on and look to the future.

And that's my piece!
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:44 AM
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I think she can too. The trouble is, that while the country gets used to her, there are a sad group of individuals who want to create this mythical almost goddess-like hype around Diana. They seem to sputter and scream whenever they see Camilla - and why? They always cite the affair etc, but they seem to totally forgive all of Diana's mistakes. I find that slightly disturbing and I find it dissapointing that people (and let's face it, it's none of their business and Diana would probably think some of their actions totally repugnant) can't move on and look to the future.

And that's my piece!
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 02-06-2006, 12:17 PM
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Karl Lagerfields' opinion of Camilla!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/06022006/36...ams-diana.html
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Well I love that man. I've quoted him in my signature - it's so accurate.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:12 PM
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I think its great that Lagerfield is impressed with Camilla but I'm a little bemused that he had to slam Diana.

Don't get me wrong, I think Camilla is doing a great job and proof of it is that people that wouldn't give her the time of day before are singing her praises. Her public image campaign is working and I'm very pleased to see it so.

But the whole affair makes me a bit cynical when a public figure comes out in support of another. Public figures and the press gravitate to where the action is, when Diana was alive, they swarmed around her like bees; now that Camilla is on the scene and doing well, they're gravitating towards her.

I have a sense that a lot of this 'admiration' is just going to where the action is.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:13 PM
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In all fairness, he didn't slam Diana at all. He just said that there wasn't much going on upstairs but her looks got her through. I don't see that as a slam. It's an observation branded a slam by a pro-Diana press.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:18 PM
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I'm hardly pro-Diana, BeatrixFan, but I do think calling someone stupid is a slam.

Its no matter, I think its good Camilla's getting good press but think she stands out more on her own when people are not slamming Diana in the process.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:22 PM
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Of course it is. Who would dare print a bad word about Diana? They wouldn't dare - their sales would go down. Thats why she's a Saint in 'The Sun' because the only people who buy 'The Sun' are navvies and builders who couldn't give too figs about what she did charity wise but want to see pictures of her legs with a martyr-like headline.

So people now can't say she was stupid? She was hardly the brainiest of people was she? Then again, what do you class as intelligent and what do you class as scheming? I mean, she appeared to be stupid but she certainly knew what she was doing when she made those tapes and when she staged that hideous, "Queen of Hearts" performance.

It is a slam to call her stupid. It's his opinion and he actually met her. Surely he'd know?
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:27 PM
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Well, some people have printed some pretty bad words about Diana - even her "friends" have made sure to include some racy details in their books that would be better left out if they'd been genuine friends and not so obviously out to spice up their stories in order to make more money.

I suppose if he thinks Camilla is more intelligent or sensible than Diana, he's got every right to say so, mind you. It's just that, as ysbel said, if you're going to genuinely praise someone, it's sometimes better to do it in stand-alone way rather than by comparison with someone else's deficiencies.

Course, I suppose it'll make things clearer to read the whole article rather than that carefully extracted couple of lines, just to see what he was really talking about. Context makes all the difference!
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:29 PM
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I know, BeatrixFan. I'm just getting tired of all the Diana-Camilla comparisons and a little tired of the total transparent self-serving nature of the press whoever they're praising or damning at the moment.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:36 PM
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Well we know who they're praising don't we? Comparisons are bound to be made - if I had my way the girl would be forgotten and be reduced to a footnote in history but it aint gonna happen. I imagine that Lagerfield was asked to give his opinion and he did so. As I said, he had met Diana and so he was bound to bring Diana into it.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:58 PM
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I found the full article from the New York magazine but, it appears to be the only reference to Camilla.

http://magazine-directory.com/New-York.htm

It's under Karl Lagerfield, Boy prince
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Old 02-06-2006, 04:08 PM
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As I said, he had met Diana and so he was bound to bring Diana into it.
He shouldn't have said it because she is dead-I wonder why he hadn't said it when she was alive? And why he hadn't have kind words for Camilla when she really needed it - in 90s' ? I am certainly not the huge fan of the late Diana but for me the form of his remarks is disgusting.
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Agnes, just because Diana is dead doesn't make her exalted or free of sin. He's free to criticise her just as any of us are. Do we stop criticising Hitler because he's dead?
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Well, mind you, it is true that people are praising Camilla now who were very quiet about her before she married Charles.

Bit like what went on around the time of the abdication - a lot of people wanted to make sure they were in with the winning side, whichever it turned out to be.
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