Did you not see the part I said about conflating the role with the clothes? The comments about her being disappointing in the role so far hasn't been limited to this thread. I think it's fine to talk about fashion, as Meghan herself has said in the past, sometimes people notice someone or place because of it. So if you have that platform, you can talk to them about clothes and make up and such, but also talk about issues that you hope to draw attention to using that platform. I just get irritated when the clothes makes up so much of what these women are trying to do. Or somehow, every time they step out needs to be a fashion show or it becomes overly critical.
But anyways, bracing myself for the comments about her wearing black again tonight and how disappointing that is.
Did you not see the part I said about conflating the role with the clothes? The comments about her being disappointing in the role so far hasn't been limited to this thread. I think it's fine to talk about fashion, as Meghan herself has said in the past, sometimes people notice someone or place because of it. So if you have that platform, you can talk to them about clothes and make up and such, but also talk about issues that you hope to draw attention to using that platform. I just get irritated when the clothes makes up so much of what these women are trying to do. Or somehow, every time they step out needs to be a fashion show or it becomes overly critical.
I've read the comments. I've read them since this relationship came to light. I've got no problem with fashion. In fact, FashionMaven and I have had pretty extensive conversations from a fashion perspective. Even when we disagree on things. As I said, my comment is not limited to only what's been said in here. And there seems to be difficulties in understanding that not every "working" engagement is going to include a red carpet styled outfit. There are going to be outfits where she just wears what she wants, and it's not intended to be a fashion statement. It might be just fine, and not great. Hardly a disappointment.
You and I are on the same page. I can take the flack Meghan gets for some outfits. What bothers me is the declaration that because she’s not wearing the “royal uniform” that apparently only folks on this board are the arbiters of, then Meghan isn’t doing her job or realizing who she’s representing.
That’s my issue and I’ve said it before. It reminds me of the tan suit debacle - people leapt to declaring that Obama wasn’t taking his job seriously because he strayed from some mysterious hidden super secret and unknown dress code rule that no one had ever heard of before. But like Meghan, Obama strayed from some “accepted presidential uniform” that certain people had declared was “the uniform”. The flack has been similar. Declaring the wearer isn’t taking his/her role seriously or that they don’t get that they represent “their country”.
I both loved and didn’t love Meghan’s outfit yesterday. I actually liked them better together than separately if that makes sense. I thought the dress was very stylish - as was the jacket (loved it) - but thought the neckline on it wasn’t flattering to her bustline. But I still liked the outfit with all pieces.
But I knew she’d get pilloried for wearing the jacket over her shoulders. Maybe it was hot? But that’s not enough for me to declare that she isn’t taking the job seriously - she was one of the more dressed up people there. She was appropriate. Not liking her style doesn’t make declarations (based on not liking her style) that she’s inappropriate true and immutable fact.
Her outfit today was a perfect little Rouland Mouret style dress with an edgy neckline and sleeves. She’s worn similar ones before. It made me happy because it’s a dress that is perfect as a royal BUT it has edge and personality so it retains a fashion forward edge. She avoids looking “mum”-ish. Yay!!
I actually think that some of Meghan’s missteps with fashion (I can only count 2 fairly) have been with her trying so hard to align with British brands indigenous to the areas she’s visiting. Or where the clothing seems slightly off for the season (like the too long thin pants and slightly summery dresses). She should be applauded for that though - especially being so focused on showcasing British brands.
This black dress though is probably vintage Meghan and now that she’s made the rounds she’ll settle more into her main style. The Ireland outfit, where she was more subtle in her homage worked sooo well. The others before that were harder for her I think.
I expect that occasions where she can just dress without having to pay so much homage will be smoother. When she’s got constraints like using local shops, etc, she has to do it by trial and error.
I have to say I visited the thread after the pinstripe outfit with a bowl of popcorn just to enjoy the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
In no way was I talking about FM and I have similar views. I'm just saying we can have a discussion about fashion and not go into Meghan needs to do this or that or that she's not taking her role seriously or her outfits are such a disappointment route. At that point, it no longer is an interesting conversation about fashion and is just exhausting to read day after day when all I come into a fashion thread is for discussion on fashion.Great that you an FM have this agreement or similar view..okay and that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
If your comments are not about here or include other venues then perhaps you should make that clear? Because when you make these comments how are we to know what you are referring to?
No one I have seen here has said they expect her every look to be red carpet. Yes there are times she wears what she wants and just like other members of the BRF that do it, if it doesn't work folks will comment on it. Why is this a problem to do the same about Meghan?
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If your comments are not about here or include other venues then perhaps you should make that clear? Because when you make these comments how are we to know what you are referring to?
No one I have seen here has said they expect her every look to be red carpet.
Yes there are times she wears what she wants and just like other members of the BRF that do it, if it doesn't work folks will comment on it. Why is this a problem to do the same about Meghan? LaRae
In no way was I talking about FM and I have similar views. I'm just saying we can have a discussion about fashion and not go into Meghan needs to do this or that or that she's not taking her role seriously or her outfits are such a disappointment route. At that point, it no longer is an interesting conversation about fashion and is just exhausting to read day after day when all I come into a fashion thread is for discussion on fashion.
And I'm a firm believer in that you don't have to say things explicitly. If something is said over and over again as a negative aspect, or it's stated again and again that she needs a stylist for the less formal events, we know what that means.
And there seems to be difficulties in understanding that not every "working" engagement is going to include a red carpet styled outfit. There are going to be outfits where she just wears what she wants, and it's not intended to be a fashion statement. It might be just fine, and not great. Hardly a disappointment.
In no way was I talking about FM and I have similar views. I'm just saying we can have a discussion about fashion and not go into Meghan needs to do this or that or that she's not taking her role seriously or her outfits are such a disappointment route. At that point, it no longer is an interesting conversation about fashion and is just exhausting to read day after day when all I come into a fashion thread is for discussion on fashion.
And I'm a firm believer in that you don't have to say things explicitly. If something is said over and over again as a negative aspect, or it's stated again and again that she needs a stylist for the less formal events, we know what that means.
As for other members of BRF, I don't know much about what happens in those threads as I don't care enough to wonder into them often. However, I share the same view that the issues these women choose to champion is much more important than their fashion. I will say that I've always wondered how these women's hair always look like they've just came from the hairdresser. I mean, if they have a 8AM engagement, what time do they have to get up to get ready for it? I thought that was kind of exhausting, but never cared enough to ask.
Except when it is a "working" engagement as a member of the BRF she will be photographed, the photos will be sent around the world and saved for all eternity. She no longer has the luxury of just wearing whatever she wants to a "working" engagement.
Interesting...feedback on twitter, even her big supporters are probably the most upset I've seen them over yesterday's outfit (Eugenie's getting it too) ...Even podsavethequeen program carefully (mildly) criticized some parts of her outfit.
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When someone says 'she needs a stylist' what do you think they mean? I have no idea what you are getting at here. Is it not possible they just mean she needs a stylist?
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This is the dress she's wearing: https://rstyle.me/~cz-aqOYl Misidentified early on as a R.M. dress.
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When people keep saying she needs a stylist for the most informal meetings? I'm assuming they want some perfect outfit for every little engagement. Otherwise, why would you need a stylist?
When people keep saying she needs a stylist for the most informal engagements? I'm assuming they want some perfect outfit for every little engagement. Otherwise, why would you need a stylist?
I can totally understand criticisms around the bustline and neckline of the dress. Not my fave part of the outfit, though I really liked it altogether, oddly enough. The sum total added up to more than the individual parts - for me at least. I think I’m alone in that thought though - I thought most folks here liked the individual pieces - just not together?
I’m so contrary lol.
I know it wasn’t RM - that’s why I said it was a Rouland Mouret STYLE dress. It’s an off brand version of his style.
Was that not clear?
No sorry..I misread the wording!
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Because they obviously don't think she dresses that great and wish for her to improve. Is that hard to understand? Again, for the 800th time, some people like her style, some don't. Some like some of her outfits. Some don't. No one is wrong or right. Some hope a stylist will improve what they see as shortcomings in dress sense. Some believe she doesn't need help.
You may agree or disagree. But there's a group of people here who loudly proclaim that any dislike of her outfits are unwarranted and must be because of some deeper reason than simply being a matter of opinion on what looks good or doesn't.
No problem! I think we are all on edge today, lol. I edited my post to add more clarity in any case,
I really do love her outfit today though. And her hair is really pretty.
a very pretty dress she looks beautiful tonight.
i think she have very intersting and lovely shoes collection
Because they obviously don't think she dresses that great and wish for her to improve. Is that hard to understand? Again, for the 800th time, some people like her style, some don't. Some like some of her outfits. Some don't. No one is wrong or right. Some hope a stylist will improve what they see as shortcomings in dress sense. Some believe she doesn't need help.
In my opinion, she's hit or miss. Tonight being a hit. She looks great IMHO.
I’m meh about yesterday outfit. Though to be fair that may have been her only monochrome outfit I liked in broad strokes.
I tried to figure out why I wasn’t sold about the outfit until someone pointed out how Hollywood the draped jacket made the outfit look.
Without it, the dress looked out of place, it actually looked like a mismatched skirt and top.
I loved the neckline! But too many buttons (as someone pointed out), and the flapping straps in the back made that section look like a sailor boy shirt (i’m Not sure if that is the correct term for that specific style).
The skirt part was perfect, except the slit, I think it would have been better if it had been sawn closed.
I can see the skirt part alone with a nice top, or just the top part with a block color skirt or pants.
That outfit needed a proper blazer at all times.
Loved the bag, but it was unneeded- she has pockets and a PA to carry her bag.
The shoes were pretty but I pumps or low heeled kitten would have been better.
Instead of the belt that was on the dress she should have used a thick waist leather belt.
It also needed some hemming work around the bust.
So yea the dress is pretty, very Californian-Hollywood style, but it could have worked for the event with a few changes. A well versed stylist could have helped her really round up the outfit.
Regarding tonight’s outfit: yes to the cut, no to the color. She actually looks like she’s going to a funeral- one of the dangers of wearing all black.
First I have to say black halo is one of my favorite brands!. Their dresses are always amazing, I own one which was purchased for my sister wedding 7 years ago. Many of their items are very office appropriate. The dress she has tonight? That’s the kind of general cut that works for royal engagement (imo).
It’s a shame she went for the black one, when the red or blue one would have looked so much better.
Good choice on the belt.
Yes to the hair being up. I continue to hope she’ll stop straightening it and allow her curls to run free. I’ll be even more happy if we’ll see more white strands - indicating she has stopped coloring her hair.
I think the shoes she has tonight are the same from yesterday? They fit tonight outfit much better.