Pre-Abdication, Information and Musings’ thread

[Stefan]

A few observations:

> The Baden Palmette and the sapphires stay with Queen Margarethe

> Silent on the Floral Aigrette and the Turquoise bandeau

> Any idea what the "diamond frame with royal portrait" might refer to?

The floral aigrette is meanwhile in the Trust, although it was not mentioned

 

[muriel]

The floral aigrette is meanwhile in the Trust, although it was not mentioned

That means it will soon be Mary's turn to play with it!

 

[Hans-Rickard]

A few observations:

> The Baden Palmette and the sapphires stay with Queen Margarethe

> Silent on the Floral Aigrette and the Turquoise bandeau

> Any idea what the "diamond frame with royal portrait" might refer to?

According to the information given during the jewel exhibition at Amalienborg in 2022, the Floral Aigrette is now a part of the entailed foundation and will thus become available to Mary.

The Turquoise Bandeau is a part of QMII’s private jewellery like the Palmette Tiara and the Naasut tiara, so it should remain with her unless she has gifted it privately.

The Diamond (brilliant) frame is the frame surrounding the portrait QMII wears of King Frederik IX

 

[doro]

And the Naasut

And her Golden Poppies too

So, Daisy's private jewels are

*Baden Palmette
*Turquoise Bandeau
*Naasut Tiara
*The diamond frame who surrounds her RFO of Frederik IX
*The sapphire necklace and earrings
*The daisy diamond brooch and earrings, as well her ruby horseshoe brooch worn at her proclamation
*The Golden Poppies

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

Not exactly... disappointed not to see Mary in the poppies anytime soon

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The Golden Wedding Anniversary Coach

When HM The Queen rides from her residence in Christian IX’s Palace to the proclamation at Christiansborg Palace on 14 January, it will be in the so-called Golden Wedding Anniversary Coach. After the proclamation, The King and The Queen will use the same coach for their return from Christiansborg Palace to the residence in Frederik VIII’s Palace at Amalienborg. The Golden Wedding Anniversary Coach will be escorted by the Guard Hussar Regiment’s Mounted Squadron.

The Golden Wedding Anniversary Coach is one among several coaches at The Royal Mews at Christiansborg Palace. The Golden Wedding Anniversary Coach, which should not be mistaken with the Gold Coach from 1840, is the newest of the royal coaches.

[...]

The Golden Anniversary Coach was the first Danish coach to have electric lights installed, both in the carriage lamps and inside the coach itself. The coach’s interior, called the coupé, has retained its upholstery of white silk-satin with Christian IX’s and Queen Louise’s monograms interwoven together with the Danish Royal coat of arms and crowns. The Golden Wedding Anniversary Coach was last used by HM The Queen for the 50th anniversary of her reign in 2022, when the coach’s box cover was restored. At Frederik X’s proclamation, the Golden Wedding Anniversary Coach will be lit up by electric lights inside the coupé.

https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/the-golden-wedding-anniversary-coach

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/guldbryllupskareten

Material for marking the succession of the throne

Across the country, Danes at the present time are marking the upcoming succession of the throne on Sunday, 14 January 2024. In connection with the throne succession, The Royal House of Denmark is making the royal crown and a number of official portraits available for use by media, municipalities, organisations, associations, companies, shops and others that, in one way or another, desire to participate in the celebration.

[...]

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/materiale-til-markering-af-tronskifte

https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/material-for-marking-the-succession-of-the-throne

 

[Somebody]

I like how they are using the Carriage as a symbolic way to mark the change of thrones. The Queen arrives by carriage and leaves as HM Queen Margrethe by car and the crown princely couple arrive by car and leave as King and Queen by carriage.

Regarding Crown Prince Frederik signing laws while running, I see it as getting things done during a special time (Frederik being in the special forces and not getting special treatment).


On Sunday 14 January at 8pm, DR1 will broadcast a brand new portrait program 'Frederik X – King of Denmark', where prominent figures and people draw a portrait of Denmark's new king, Frederik 10.
Here Haakon gives some insights
https://www.instagram.com/p/C17da9Cq3PG/

It he doesn't have a few minutes to spare for his regent duties, he probably shouldn't be the regent... This has nothing to do with special treatment because of his position but because he -temporarily- has additional duties that the others do not have. I guess they wanted to make a point and in doing so imho mock the whole idea of having a regent (temporary head of state) in the first place.

Hopefully they find a better solution when it's Christian's turn.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

And her Golden Poppies too

So, Daisy's private jewels are

*Baden Palmette
*Turquoise Bandeau
*Naasut Tiara
*The diamond frame who surrounders her RFO of Frederik IX
*The sapphire necklace and earrings
*The daisy diamond brooch and earrings, as well her ruby horseshoe brooch worn at her proclamation
*The Golden Poppies

The diamond frame carrying King Frederik IX’s miniature portrait is a part of the entailed foundation so that will likely become Mary’s when/if Frederik X issues his own portrait.

 

[Mbruno]

A few observations:

> The Baden Palmette and the sapphires stay with Queen Margarethe

> Silent on the Floral Aigrette and the Turquoise bandeau

> Any idea what the "diamond frame with royal portrait" might refer to?

Doesn't the press release say that Mary received the Turquoise bandeau as a gift on her 50th birthday? A "brilliant set" is also mentioned as being part of the Crown Jewels. I wonder what that is.

Apparently, the Pearl Poire parure is not part of the Crown Jewels as often claimed, but rather belongs to the private Family Foundation. I don't know either what the "rose stone" set and the "pearl ruby" set in the Crown Jewels are.

 

[Somebody]

So, there are four main sets that are part of the Crown Jewels and from next Sunday on will be available to Mary instead of Margrethe: a brilliant set, an emerald set, a pearl-ruby set and a rose stone set.

I made pictures of the crown jewels in August, so hopefully this helps in identifying each of them:

Brilliant set (Set of brilliants consisting of necklace with seven pendants, brooch in the form of a floral bouquet, and earrings. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The jewellery dates back to Queens Sophie Magdalene, Caroline Mathilde and Juliane Marie)


Emerald set (Set of emeralds and brilliants with diadem, necklace, brooch and earrings. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The emeralds were originally a present from Christian VI to Sophie Magdalene in 1723)


Pearl-ruby set (Set of pearls, rubies and diamonds with necklace, brooch and earrings. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The pearl necklace belonged to Christian V’s consort, Charlotte Amalie)


Rose stone set (Set of rose-cut diamonds with belt and brooch to divide into 4 smaller brooches, and two necklaces. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The stones belonged to Princess Charlotte Amalie, sister of Christian VI)


There is also a fifth Gold set (Set of gold with citrines, amethysts, pearls and diamonds. Belonged to Countess Danner, possibly a birthday present from Frederik VII, 1860. Made by court jeweller J. Diderichsen)

 

[doro]

In the future Queen Mary's jewelry collection, you will find the old Russian turquoise and brilliant jewelry that Queen Margrethe gave to her daughter-in-law on her 50th birthday in 2022

Interesting, what they don't specify what jewels are

 

[Izzie]

Interesting, what they don't specify what jewels are

They are the turquoise diamond earrings she wore to Isabella's confirmation and the brooch she wore to the coronation.

The turquoise bandeau tiara was not part of the jewelry QMII gifted Mary for her 50th birthday. Only the earrings and brooch.

More from Haakon
"In the same interview, Crown Prince Haakon is asked how he thinks Crown Prince Frederik has grown with the task in relation to being heir to the throne.
- I think it has developed in a very positive way, because he is a warm person. An open person, open to the world, and he has lots of positive energy to contribute. So it is the case that it is wise to base your work, what you have to do, on your own personality and your own strengths. He's really good at that."

https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongeli...r-kronprins-haakon-sig-om-det-kommende-danske

Thank you for posting this. Looking forward to watching this. Loved what Haakon said. Also, nice to hear from someone that actually knows Frederik and has grown up with him and can truly speak from a place of familiarity and knowledge. No spin, no agenda.

 

[Sun Lion]

Cute.

The Slipp Inn is putting on a Danish menu for the rest of January and putting up Danish decorations, including daisies.

There will be a couple of thrones for people to photograph themselves sitting on, and a special cocktail to be callled “There’s Something About Mary”.

And busloads of Danish tourists used to turn up back in the early days to check out where Frederik and Mary met. Funny.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainme...n/news-story/0a76247869ee8af733383da872f6c0ef

Jane’s on her way!

Thursday 11th here and the 6pm tv news has just let us know … the local tv station down here in Tasmania, (the northern station) … that Mary’s eldest sister has taken off for Denmark.

Hope she manages the change in temperature … quite hot here all week.

 

[CrownPrincessJava]

Jane’s on her way!

Thursday 11th here and the 6pm tv news has just let us know … the local tv station down here in Tasmania, (the northern station) … that Mary’s eldest sister has taken off for Denmark.

Hope she manages the change in temperature … quite hot here all week.

Oh dear Lord, they didn't? Is there no news?

 

[Sun Lion]

Oh dear Lord, they didn't? Is there no news?

Don’t worry CrownPrincessJava … it was about thirty seconds of the evening bulletin.

And I had to disappointment my mainland friend a few days ago … she asked if we were all getting excited down here … and, well, no.

No-one is talking about it in the family groups and occasions I’ve been at, our own happenings have taken precedence.

But the Tasmanian Premier did say something nice about Mary.

I don’t know what. Just the usual platitudes. Probably not a member of The Royal Forums and up with all the details here!

 

[CrownPrincessJava]

Don’t worry CrownPrincessJava … it was about thirty seconds of the evening bulletin.

And I had to disappointment my mainland friend a few days ago … she asked if we were all getting excited down here … and, well, no.

No-one is talking about it in the family groups and occasions I’ve been at, our own happenings have taken precedence.

But the Tasmanian Premier did say something nice about Mary.

I don’t know what. Just the usual platitudes. Probably not a member of The Royal Forums and up with all the details here!

The Australian online media are headlining it as "Crown Princess Mary's Coronation" and trying to get interest over the past few days. Hasn't worked....

 

[An Ard Ri]

So, there are four main sets that are part of the Crown Jewels and from next Sunday on will be available to Mary instead of Margrethe: a brilliant set, an emerald set, a pearl-ruby set and a rose stone set.

I made pictures of the crown jewels in August, so hopefully this helps in identifying each of them:

Brilliant set (Set of brilliants consisting of necklace with seven pendants, brooch in the form of a floral bouquet, and earrings. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The jewellery dates back to Queens Sophie Magdalene, Caroline Mathilde and Juliane Marie)
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Emerald set (Set of emeralds and brilliants with diadem, necklace, brooch and earrings. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The emeralds were originally a present from Christian VI to Sophie Magdalene in 1723)
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Pearl-ruby set (Set of pearls, rubies and diamonds with necklace, brooch and earrings. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The pearl necklace belonged to Christian V’s consort, Charlotte Amalie)
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Rose stone set (Set of rose-cut diamonds with belt and brooch to divide into 4 smaller brooches, and two necklaces. Made in 1840 by C.M. Weisshaupt. The stones belonged to Princess Charlotte Amalie, sister of Christian VI)
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There is also a fifth Gold set (Set of gold with citrines, amethysts, pearls and diamonds. Belonged to Countess Danner, possibly a birthday present from Frederik VII, 1860. Made by court jeweller J. Diderichsen)
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Absolutely stunning ,has Queen Margrethe II ever worn any of them?

 

[Stefan]

Absolutely stunning ,has Queen Margrethe II ever worn any of them?

She has worn all of them often. Most recently the emerald Set at the State visit from Spain. The rose stone Set was however only used one time at the State visit from Norway in 1991/92.

 

[stellam]

The news in Perth just announced that Mary's sister is on her way to Denmark and mention was made of the Proclamation which will take place on Sunday Australian time but no time was given.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

Im glad Mary's sister will be there. At least one representative from Mary's family. I'm sure there will be private dinners/gathering that Jane will attend. And why not? The Donaldsons have always been very discreet and supportive.

Photos and videos of past proclamations, historical!
https://www.instagram.com/p/C17E_56tNR7/?img_index=1

Information on the Crown Jewels and other jewels of the DRF
https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/kronjuveler-og-fideikommissmykker

The DRF are doing an excellent job rolling out information! Not only historical but for the day's events and changes. great job!



I hope we do see Isabella, Vincent and Josephine; as the new king's family. Hopefully.

and I agree about Marie. Personal issues aside, she is still Prinsesse af Danmark. And even more that Monday, January 15 is a federal holiday in the U.S., no school or work.
Im glad Joachim will attend.

Its an historic day and the DIL of the old Queen stays at home with the children while her husband is there? Laughable, really. Marie should be there, very simple.
And of course it opens the discussion about the special family dynamics in the DRF

 

[muriel]

Its an historic day and the DIL of the old Queen stays at home with the children while her husband is there? Laughable, really. Marie should be there, very simple.
And of course it opens the discussion about the special family dynamics in the DRF

I think the family dynamic with Joachim and family is just not great, and it hasn't been for some time. Marie's comments about the move to Paris not being their choice, Joachim's comments after the removal of titles and not Mary not being around for the accession only leads credence to those of us who think that the family relationship is compromised.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Its an historic day and the DIL of the old Queen stays at home with the children while her husband is there? Laughable, really. Marie should be there, very simple.
And of course it opens the discussion about the special family dynamics in the DRF

It’s already publicly well known that the dynamic with Joachim and his family is not the best… Marie seems to me as the one who has been the connecting link and kept the contact on a fairly normal level despite everything - but since the change of titles for Henrik and Athena, that seems to have changed as well…

It reminds of the old ill feelings between King Frederik IX and Prince Knud, that was never really healed, though that was ofcourse triggered by the change of the line of succession

 

[muriel]

It’s already publicly well known that the dynamic with Joachim and his family is not the best… Marie seems to me as the one who has been the connecting link and kept the contact on a fairly normal level despite everything - but since the change of titles for Henrik and Athena, that seems to have changed as well…

It reminds of the old ill feelings between King Frederik IX and Prince Knud, that was never really healed, though that was ofcourse triggered by the change of the line of succession

It is diffult to tell what the internal dynamic in a family might be and what may be the cause of any ill-will. However, IMO, J&M must be pretty silly if they think loosing titles for their children a few years early is worth getting upset about.

With the passage of time, their relevance to the monarchy was only going to decline. My sense is that there were other issues at play (eg, money?) long before the issue of the move to Paris or the titles came up.

 

[Sister Morphine]

Its an historic day and the DIL of the old Queen stays at home with the children while her husband is there? Laughable, really. Marie should be there, very simple.
And of course it opens the discussion about the special family dynamics in the DRF

While I agree that there are definitely some issues in the DRF, I don't agree that Marie needs to be there. QMII is abdicating, it isn't like she passed away and Marie and the kids won't be coming to the funeral. It's a federal holiday on Monday here in the U.S., so schools will be closed; they could come and it wouldn't upset the kids' schedule, but is their presence essential? Not in my opinion, no.

I'd argue that if he had his druthers, Joachim wouldn't go, but optics being what they are, he'll be there.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

It is diffult to tell what the internal dynamic in a family might be and what may be the cause of any ill-will. However, IMO, J&M must be pretty silly if they think loosing titles for their children a few years early is worth getting upset about.

With the passage of time, their relevance to the monarchy was only going to decline. My sense is that there were other issues at play (eg, money?) long before the issue of the move to Paris or the titles came up.

Maybe there were problems related to money as well… But Joachim is well known for his dramatic behaviour so i wouldn’t rule that out…

I suppose being number 2 and knowing that you with the passage of years will be less and less relevant to your family and your country, is no easier now an before and increases the risk of conflicts and open wounds in front of the general public… Both the Danish and the British RF has learned that the hard way

 

[Sister Morphine]

Maybe there were problems related to money as well… But Joachim is well known for his dramatic behavior so I wouldn’t rule that out…

I suppose being number 2 and knowing that you with the passage of years will be less and less relevant to your family, is no easier now an before and increases the risk of conflicts and open wounds in front of the general public… Both the Danish and the British RF have learned that the hard way

Fortunately, this spare and his wife moving to the United States didn't invoke as volatile a reaction. I agree though that knowing your importance to the family will only diminish as your elder sibling gets older and has a family can be difficult to swallow. I don't think QMII or Joachim/Marie handled everything very well.

 

[Toledo]

"...Here is the program for the change of throne:

Sunday, January 14

At 13.35 The Crown Prince couple drives from Amalienborg
The Crown Prince couple and HRH Prince Christian drive by car from Frederik VIII's Palace, Amalienborg to Christiansborg Castle.
Route: Frederiksgade, Bredgade, Kongens Nytorv, Holmens Kanal, Prins Jørgens Gård

At 13.37 HM The Queen travels in the coach from Amalienborg
H.M. The Queen rides in the carriage from Christian IX's Palace, Amalienborg to Christiansborg Castle, escorted by the Horse Squadron of the Guardhussar Regiment.
Route: Frederiksgade, Bredgade, Kongens Nytorv, Holmens Kanal, Prins Jørgens Gård

At 14.00 Council of State at Christiansborg Castle
H.M. The Queen, HRH the Crown Prince and HRH Prince Christian participate together with the government and the Cabinet Secretary in the Council of State.
The change of throne takes place during the meeting of the Council of State at the moment when the Queen has signed a declaration of her abdication.

At 14.15 HM Queen Margrethe's departure from Christiansborg Castle
H.M. Queen Margrethe drives to Christian IX's Palace, Amalienborg.
Route: Prins Jørgens Gård, Holmens Bro, Holmens Kanal, Kongens Nytorv, Bredgade, Sankt Annæ Plads, Amaliegade, Amalienborg

At 14.30 The royal couple hold a reception for special guests at Christiansborg Castle

At 15.00 Proclamation from the balcony of Christiansborg Castle
H.M. King Frederik 10 steps out onto the balcony at Christiansborg Castle, after which the Prime Minister proclaims the change of throne.
The king speaks and concludes with the new royal motto.

At 15.10 Salute of honor from Battery Sixtus
After the proclamation, a salute is fired with 3 x 27 shots from Battery Sixtus on Holmen, Copenhagen.

At 15.10 The Royal Flag is taken down and re-raised at Amalienborg
After the proclamation, the Royal Flag is taken down at Christian IX's Palace and raised at Frederik VIII's Palace, Amalienborg.

At 15.30 The royal couple rides in the carriage from Christiansborg Castle
After the proclamation, the royal couple rides in the carriage escorted by the Guardhussar Regiment's Horse Squadron from Christiansborg Castle to Frederik VIII's Palace, Amalienborg.
Route: Prins Jørgens Gård, Holmens Bro, Holmens Kanal, Kongens Nytorv, Bredgade, Sankt Annæ Plads, Amaliegade, Amalienborg

At 17.00 Transfer of the royal banners
Transfer of the royal banners from Christian IX's Palace to Frederik VIII's Palace, Amalienborg...

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/program-for-tronskiftet

Thanks for the time frames! For us in the USA and Canada Eastern time zone take out six hours from every mark: https://www.usmapguide.com/us-time-zone-map/


I hope I got these hours right for the USA! We are six hours behind Copenhagen's

Those in USA/Canada Central Time - deduct one hour from the time below. For example, my New York 7 AM Eastern Time is your Texas' 6 AM or seven hours behind Copenhagen's.
Those in Mountain Time take down two hours from below, or eight hours behind Copenhagen's.
Those in Pacific Time, take out three hours from below, or nine hours behind Copenhagen's.

At 7:35 AM The Crown Prince couple drives from Amalienborg

At 7:37 AM HM The Queen travels in the coach from Amalienborg

At 8 AM Council of State at Christiansborg Castle

At 8:15 AM HM Queen Margrethe's departure from Christiansborg Castle

At 8:30 AM The royal couple hold a reception for special guests at Christiansborg Castle

At 10:00 AM Proclamation from the balcony of Christiansborg Castle
H.M. King Frederik 10 steps out onto the balcony at Christiansborg Castle, after which the Prime Minister proclaims the change of throne. The king speaks and concludes with the new royal motto.

Maybe there were problems related to money as well… But Joachim is well known for his dramatic behaviour so i wouldn’t rule that out…

I suppose being number 2 and knowing that you with the passage of years will be less and less relevant to your family and your country, is no easier now an before and increases the risk of conflicts and open wounds in front of the general public… Both the Danish and the British RF has learned that the hard way

Seems to be a repeating story with our royals, the second child is prepared to be the 'break glass in case of emergency' solution if a spare is needed until the older one gets married and produces an heir and a spare.

 

[Mbruno]

Fortunately, this spare and his wife moving to the United States didn't invoke as volatile a reaction. I agree though that knowing your importance to the family will only diminish as your elder sibling gets older and has a family can be difficult to swallow.

But that is true for any second child in a hereditary monarchy It may be "difficult to swallow" from our ordinary point of view, but a second child in a European royal family should be brought up from an early age with that expectation in mind.

That is why I think it is important for younger children of monarchs to be prepared to have a career and interests outside official royal life only. Prince Joachim has a distinguished career in the military and many links to the defense industry. He also seems to have a good financial settlement from his mother and his late father, which means that his financial stability is reasonably safe. I don't see why he should resent a diminishing importance in official royal functions, which, as I said, is an inevitable consequence of how the hereditary monarchy system works.

 

[Izzie]

Don’t worry CrownPrincessJava … it was about thirty seconds of the evening bulletin.

And I had to disappointment my mainland friend a few days ago … she asked if we were all getting excited down here … and, well, no.

No-one is talking about it in the family groups and occasions I’ve been at, our own happenings have taken precedence.

But the Tasmanian Premier did say something nice about Mary.

I don’t know what. Just the usual platitudes. Probably not a member of The Royal Forums and up with all the details here!

Oh well. But Denmark is beyond ecstatic and that is where it counts. Maybe Australia is focusing on other royals and all their troubles at the moment.

 

[suztav]

I always thought Joachim was intelligent and sophisticated enough to have realistically deal with the "second son" status. It seems that he has a deeper resentment than anyone originally believed.

He's not a kid. He's no longer a teenager. He's a grown man of 50+ years who has known from some time that his brother and nephew (now 18!) would be the focus.

Just very odd for all this drama ... especially when you think that he may have inherited a few brain cells from his mother!

JMHO