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Bunte, the German tabloid, has an article, that Queen Margarethe II, even after her abdication, could be called upon as "Rigsforstander". i.e. Head of State - I think, when the then King Frederik will be abroad.
https://www.bunte.de/royals/daenisc...otz-abdankung-zum-staatsoberhaupt-werden.html
(Sorry, only in German!)

The others elegible for this position are Prince Christian, the then Queen Mary, Prince Joachim and Princess Benedikte.

Hmm... Was there ever a coup in Denmark by a Rigsforstander, when a Monarch was abroad? I mean, ok, they are all family, one big, happy family... - nevertheless!

No, but one King was traveling in Italy, while the State Council looked after things at home, when he wrote home and asked to be relieved of his duties. They had to send someone to Italy, to persuade him to come back, he was after all king by God's grace and all that. And while Italy is beautiful and has a lot of great art (who doesn't think so!) he had his duties.
That was IIRC Christian V in the early 1700s.

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The big day is coming up! And M&F need not worry about the turnout!
The first train and busloads of Jutlanders and citizens of Funen have already left for Copenhagen. There will be many more tomorrow.
You are going to witness Denmark going full royalist come Sunday! We rarely miss an opportunity to celebrate something as a tribe and considering that we are the wild latinos of Scandinavia, it's gonna be party-time. Also because many wish to show their appreciation for QMII.
So if you happened to be in Copenhagen Sunday you'd be in for a special experience.

It has occurred to me that the very short official notice may have been for security reasons. Terrorist attacks always being something to keep in mind. But there are others - me pointing east - that could be tempted to try and disrupt things. (There is as you know an ongoing cyber-war.)

The government will increase the apanage for the DRF as a whole.
Partly because QMII will retain a court befitting of her status. She will not be retiring into a meager life.

At the same time the government envision a different role for M&F, when they become the regent couple.
My guess is that this means a way more active role for M&F.
We are talking about one outgoing and incoming state visit a year - at least.
At least two long official visits, promoting Danish commerce a year.
Of course the summer trips with Dannebrog, and who knows perhaps a third once in a while.
But I think we will also see M&F in a more political role. QMII has avoided to voice a political opinion when on the job, and only a very recent year has she uttered a political opinion - which were fully in line with a majority in the Parliament.
That is something M&F are already very used to. And we are going to see more of that. M&F will, I suspect, to a higher degree become the spokespersons for a political majority in the Parliament.

It's going to be interesting to see this change. But one thing is almost a guarantee: M&F are going to earn their holidays from now on!

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According to Danish media, Tasmania in general and Hobart in particular are going to celebrate this proclamation - in particular Mary. The city of Hobart will present M&F with a handmade piece of furniture.
 
Bunte, the German tabloid, has an article, that Queen Margarethe II, even after her abdication, could be called upon as "Rigsforstander". i.e. Head of State - I think, when the then King Frederik will be abroad.
https://www.bunte.de/royals/daenisc...otz-abdankung-zum-staatsoberhaupt-werden.html
(Sorry, only in German!)

The others elegible for this position are Prince Christian, the then Queen Mary, Prince Joachim and Princess Benedikte.

Hmm... Was there ever a coup in Denmark by a Rigsforstander, when a Monarch was abroad? I mean, ok, they are all family, one big, happy family... - nevertheless!

A "Rigforstander" is just a regent pro tempore, who exercises the royal prerogative while the King is absent from the Kingdom. The King resumes the exercise of the royal prerogative as soon as he returns to Denmark, so there is no way the regent can legally stage a coup while the King is abroad.
 
No, but one King was traveling in Italy, while the State Council looked after things at home, when he wrote home and asked to be relieved of his duties. They had to send someone to Italy, to persuade him to come back, he was after all king by God's grace and all that. And while Italy is beautiful and has a lot of great art (who doesn't think so!) he had his duties.
That was IIRC Christian V in the early 1700s.

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The big day is coming up! And M&F need not worry about the turnout!
The first train and busloads of Jutlanders and citizens of Funen have already left for Copenhagen. There will be many more tomorrow.
You are going to witness Denmark going full royalist come Sunday! We rarely miss an opportunity to celebrate something as a tribe and considering that we are the wild latinos of Scandinavia, it's gonna be party-time. Also because many wish to show their appreciation for QMII.
So if you happened to be in Copenhagen Sunday you'd be in for a special experience.

It has occurred to me that the very short official notice may have been for security reasons. Terrorist attacks always being something to keep in mind. But there are others - me pointing east - that could be tempted to try and disrupt things. (There is as you know an ongoing cyber-war.)

The government will increase the apanage for the DRF as a whole.
Partly because QMII will retain a court befitting of her status. She will not be retiring into a meager life.

At the same time the government envision a different role for M&F, when they become the regent couple.
My guess is that this means a way more active role for M&F.
We are talking about one outgoing and incoming state visit a year - at least.
At least two long official visits, promoting Danish commerce a year.
Of course the summer trips with Dannebrog, and who knows perhaps a third once in a while.
But I think we will also see M&F in a more political role. QMII has avoided to voice a political opinion when on the job, and only a very recent year has she uttered a political opinion - which were fully in line with a majority in the Parliament.
That is something M&F are already very used to. And we are going to see more of that. M&F will, I suspect, to a higher degree become the spokespersons for a political majority in the Parliament.

It's going to be interesting to see this change. But one thing is almost a guarantee: M&F are going to earn their holidays from now on!

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According to Danish media, Tasmania in general and Hobart in particular are going to celebrate this proclamation - in particular Mary. The city of Hobart will present M&F with a handmade piece of furniture.

Thank you so much Muhler! I heard that what Hobart has gifted is a table handcrafted in Hobart. I think there may also be a gift being presented for Australia as a whole, but not sure.

Also, I did not know that the transfer of flags was as formal. The DRF website has posted the description of the proceedings. I will not be surprised if a crowd forms at Amalienborg to see this unfold. And how symbolic that the flags are now returning to Frederik 8th palace 52 years to the day they left there to go to Christian 9th palace.

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/overfoerslen-af-de-kongelige-faner

Added: DRF website has also posted about the role of the military on Sunday: https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/forsvarets-rolle-i-forbindelse-med-tronskiftet
 
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But I think we will also see M&F in a more political role. QMII has avoided to voice a political opinion when on the job, and only a very recent year has she uttered a political opinion - which were fully in line with a majority in the Parliament.
That is something M&F are already very used to. And we are going to see more of that. M&F will, I suspect, to a higher degree become the spokespersons for a political majority in the Parliament.

I certainly hope not. Any foray into politics, even if it is just voicing an agreed upon opinion by a current democratically elected government, would be fatal for the future of monarchies as apolitical heads of state. The royal family does not need to be the spokesperson, or used as a stamp of approval, for the government of the day. The parliament passes laws, the crown gives its royal assent, and that should be that. It does seem to be a trend recently though which is what I find most concerning, especially amongst the British RF.
 
Thank you so much Muhler! I heard that what Hobart has gifted is a table handcrafted in Hobart. I think there may also be a gift being presented for Australia as a whole, but not sure.

Also, I did not know that the transfer of flags was as formal. The DRF website has posted the description of the proceedings. I will not be surprised if a crowd forms at Amalienborg to see this unfold. And how symbolic that the flags are now returning to Frederik 8th palace 52 years to the day they left there to go to Christian 9th palace.

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/overfoerslen-af-de-kongelige-faner

Very formal indeed. The colours are the soul of the regiment that has guarded the royal family since 1656 IIRC. (I need to check.)
But it also the formal transfer to the new commander-in-chief.

- This is going to be televised big time!
As I have told many times before Dannebrog seriously means something in Denmark and to the Danes!
And it will be a solemn and beautiful ceremony.

Things were a little different back in 1972. The political left was more dominant, the DRF didn't have nearly as high a public backing and respect, even though Frederik IX was very well liked. And in the wake of 1968 there was a more widespread anti-establishment view in general.
Today I dare say people are more conservative-minded and it's allowed to be proud of your country and it's allowed to be openly royalist.
And yet, despite these sentiments back then, the turnout in 1972, on a bitterly cold day, was still massive.
 
Very formal indeed. The colours are the soul of the regiment that has guarded the royal family since 1656 IIRC. (I need to check.)
But it also the formal transfer to the new commander-in-chief.

- This is going to be televised big time!
As I have told many times before Dannebrog seriously means something in Denmark and to the Danes!
And it will be a solemn and beautiful ceremony.

Things were a little different back in 1972. The political left was more dominant, the DRF didn't have nearly as high a public backing and respect, even though Frederik IX was very well liked. And in the wake of 1968 there was a more widespread anti-establishment view in general.
Today I dare say people are more conservative-minded and it's allowed to be proud of your country and it's allowed to be openly royalist.
And yet, despite these sentiments back then, the turnout in 1972, on a bitterly cold day, was still massive.

I am very much looking forward to watching this historic moment. So glad that with the DR broadcasts I can turn on Google translate and the sub-titles and they are translated into English. The translations are not perfect, but good enough to follow along!

Also: the role of the military on the day has been posted by the DRF website: https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/forsvarets-rolle-i-forbindelse-med-tronskiftet
 
I certainly hope not. Any foray into politics, even if it is just voicing an agreed upon opinion by a current democratically elected government, would be fatal for the future of monarchies as apolitical heads of state. The royal family does not need to be the spokesperson, or used as a stamp of approval, for the government of the day. The parliament passes laws, the crown gives its royal assent, and that should be that. It does seem to be a trend recently though which is what I find most concerning, especially amongst the British RF.

I agree. Partisan statements reflecting political positions of the parliamentary majority should be made by the ministers in the Danish government. The King or the Queen Consort should not be used to fulfill that role.

That doesn't mean of course that the King will not occasionally make a statement, for example in the course of an incoming or outgoing state visit, which is in line with the foreign policy positions of the current government. For example, he might condemn Russian aggression in Ukraine or the attacks by the Houthis on Red Sea cargo ships. After all, despite being non-partisan, the Royal Family is still an important instrument of Danish international diplomacy and is expected to play this part.

It is not surprising either that the government is reportedly planning a busier agenda for Frederik and Mary. The new regent couple is younger and can take up more engagements than the previous aging Queen could.
 
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Thank you so much Muhler! I heard that what Hobart has gifted is a table handcrafted in Hobart. I think there may also be a gift being presented for Australia as a whole, but not sure.

Also, I did not know that the transfer of flags was as formal. The DRF website has posted the description of the proceedings. I will not be surprised if a crowd forms at Amalienborg to see this unfold. And how symbolic that the flags are now returning to Frederik 8th palace 52 years to the day they left there to go to Christian 9th palace.

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/overfoerslen-af-de-kongelige-faner

Added: DRF website has also posted about the role of the military on Sunday: https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/forsvarets-rolle-i-forbindelse-med-tronskiftet

It's always great to learn about these historical events and significances.
It'll be an emotional day

Carlsberg celebrates the royal couple with special beer bottles and unique beer

"It has been over 52 years since Denmark had a king and queen, and we would like to pay tribute to the new royal couple and give the Danes the opportunity to celebrate them both. We have therefore designed two labels that mark the celebration of Denmark's new royal couple and pay tribute to our king and queen," says Peter Haahr Nielsen.

https://www.carlsbergdanmark.dk/new...ongeparret-med-saerlige-olflasker-og-unik-ol/
 
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I don't know about all of you, but I am very excited about Sunday night Australian time.
Fred and Mary have been on our news every night so far, and the Magazines are full of it.

The Australia Government will give Mary a gift, and I hope it may be similar to the diamond wattle brooch, that we gave Queen Elizabeth. (Many rare yellow diamonds in that one.)

Or maybe a rare pink Argyll diamond pendant or something.


Here Tarlita … Sky is doing live coverage if you don’t have to get up for work the next day.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2024/01/queen-mary-coronation-on-sky-news.html
 
Thanks Sun Lion. Missed this news, and I will be watching, with a glass or two of wine and some cake! Looking forward to it.


I think I had my insomnia the wrong night … last night. I will have to catch up after.

Have a wonderful night.

I heard that what Hobart has gifted is a table handcrafted in Hobart.

It’s a very small table Izzie … I posted a photo upthread … but Huon Pine is a very unique wood, so I’m not surprised this was the choice.

Tasmania has many fine native woods that are worked and any would have been fine, but this article gives an insight into how special this is.

https://www.australianwoodwork.com.au/blogs/news/what-is-so-special-about-huon-pine
 
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Everybody and their grandmother are going to Copenhagen on Sunday.

Danish Railroads have never experienced such a rush to get train tickets before. As such all their trains going to Copenhagen are being lengthened so they can each accommodate 1.000 extra passengers.

The ferries sailing east are getting 60-70 % more cars than normal for a weekend in January.

A small bus company expected to send three busloads to Copenhagen, now they are sending six.

The details are listed in a gold box about halfway down this page:
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/e...og-vigtige-underskrifter-faa-forklaret-alt-om

Basically you need to tune in from 13.00 DK time on Sunday of you want to watch the whole show live.
At 13.35 M&F will leave Amalienborg.

At 13.37 QMII will leave Amalienborg in a gold carriage with an escort by the Guards Hussars.

The State Council at Christiansborg will start at 14.00. - The second QMII has signed the abdication document, Frederik will be king.

At 14.15 QMII will leave Christiansborg by car. She has been relieved.

At 14.30 the new regent couple will host a reception for invited guests at Christiansborg. Mainly the government, senior politicians and very senior civil servants. - It's an opportunity for the invited to congratulate M&F.

at 15.00 Frederik and the PM, Mette Frederiksen will step out on the balcony at Christiansborg and proclaim Frederik king.
Frederik will give a short speech, ending with his personal proverb.
- Beforehand specially entrusted persons went out into the kingdom and at local council-gatherings they would proclaim that king so and so was dead, long live king so and so. Four times. In all four directions of the compass.
It's only three times at Christiansborg, because otherwise the PM would turn her back on the crowd and proclaim Frederik king into the Throne Room inside. And both would be pretty silly.

At 15.10 the naval battery will fire a 3x27 gun salute in Copenhagen Harbor, right next to the Flag of the Realm. The Dannebrog flying from the mast next to this battery is considered the most official flag in the whole realm, hence the title. - You know, Dannebrog, obsession with our flag...
Around the same time, the flag (The King Flag) flying above QMII's residence at Amalienborg will be taken down a send up above M&F's residence. Instead a personal flag of QMII will fly above her residence.

At 15.30 it's M&F's turn to ride in the gold carriage back to Amalienborg.

At 17.00 the colours of the Royal Lifeguard Regiment will be moved to M&F's residence.
There are three colours to be moved, because the colour of the guards detachment on duty is already in the guards room and will no doubt be taken out and paraded next to the honor guard.
By then it's dark, which will make the whole procession much more solemn and beautiful.

- And that's it in regards to the event on that day. But I should be pretty surprised if M&F, with children, don't make an appearance after they have returned to Amalienborg.
Most likely outside on the square when the colors are moved, or they will appear - for the first time - on the balcony of their residence.
 
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I expect Benedikte and Anna-Maria to be waiting for their sister in Amalienborg.
 
The gift from the Australian government:

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the federal government will provide a $10,000 donation in Mary's honour to Wildcare Tasmania to support its efforts to ensure the survival of the iconic marsupial

Source: Australia pledges a devil of a gift to Mary

No way would the Australian government of gifted expensive jewellery to Mary.

More about the gift from the Tasmanian government

Tasmanian-born Princess Mary will be sent a table hand-made from local materials to mark her coronation as the Queen of Denmark.

Acting Premier Michael Ferguson further confirmed a donation will also be made to a charity of which Princess Mary is an international patron.

"In honour of the Crown Princess' international patronage, I am proud to announce Tasmania will donate $10,000 to the Alannah and Madeline Foundation," he said.

Source: Tasmanian govt reveals gift for Princess Mary and Prince Frederik ahead of historic occasion
 
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Thanks Sun Lion. Missed this news, and I will be watching, with a glass or two of wine and some cake! Looking forward to it.

Is sky news only available via foxtel?? Is there anything on any free to air Australian channel or internet site or YouTube channel where I can watch it (I’m in Vic Australia if that helps!)
 
Is sky news only available via foxtel?? Is there anything on any free to air Australian channel or internet site or YouTube channel where I can watch it (I’m in Vic Australia if that helps!)


Vogue Australia says they will be doing rolling coverage Dantheman, but they also say keep your eyes peeled for William and Kate to be there! :eek:… so I don’t know how good it will be.

Sounds like some are getting carried away a bit.

Did you see the calls to dump Australia Day, but put up a new, ongoing, public holiday for Mary? :lol:

That’s been shutdown, but it shows you some people’s feet have left the ground a bit with their fantasies and expectations.

I think “Today” and “Sunrise” will have footage. I’m surprised SBS don’t seem to be giving it any particular attention. Good Luck.

Here’s the link -

https://www.vogue.com.au/culture/fe...a/news-story/59d24a3c8d8a35aabd1fa2ad43debfc2


Also check out Daily Mail. They may do rolling coverage, and they will have a lot of good photos.

Here’s a link with their article about the route and footage of the horses rehearsing -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...other-Queen-Margrethes-shock-resignation.html
 
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Many Thanks Sun Lion.
The Australian Government is giving a donation to the Save the Tasmanian Devils foundation.
So no diamonds, or pearls, sadly. My lust for bling won't be satisfied.


Sorry for your disappointment Tarlita.

“The Mercury”, Hobart’s paper, is running a story about the guy who missed Mary when she knocked on the door of her childhood home just before her wedding.

He has lived there more than twenty years now and “coped” with his disappointment by throwing a party at the time … dressed up as the blushing bride himself.

So there are ways to come through. :lol:
 
Many Thanks Sun Lion.
The Australian Government is giving a donation to the Save the Tasmanian Devils foundation.
So no diamonds, or pearls, sadly. My lust for bling won't be satisfied.

She'll be inheriting quite a bit of being come Sunday, so you'll have something to look forward to :flowers:. The Australian government would face major backlash if they gifted expensive jewellery to her...and rightfully so.
 
This is all so exciting... Denmark's enthusiasm must be at fever level!
 
This is all so exciting... Denmark's enthusiasm must be at fever level!

It is.

BTs live coverage today is full of personal anecdotes of encounters with QMII, often by tourists and often in stores and shops.
Back in the 70s QMII was still often seen walking about in the streets of Copenhagen or going shopping. I guess the surge of left wing terrorism put and damper on that.
https://www.bt.dk/royale/live-tronskifte-naermer-sig-foelg-med-minut-for-minut?directpost=7054930
 
So it looks like there will be a big crowd tomorrow in Copenhagen, presumably at Christiansborg and the carriage routes. The weather tomorrow in Copenhagen will be partly cloudy, with a low of 30 degrees Fahrenheit and a high of 38, which I assume for Denmark in January is considered favorable.
 
:previous: Oh yes, balmy.

That's good news. That means clear and good photos and a big crowd. You can always dress for the cold, but snow or rain has a tendency to ruin things.
 
I am looking forward to tomorrow! Won't be watching live but can't wait to see the posts and pictures. Wishing M & F every good thing!
 
https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/the-royal-flags

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/de-kongelige-flag-1788667


At HM Queen Margrethe’s residence, Christian IX’s Palace, the Royal Flag will be taken down and, instead, the Flag of the Royal House will be raised. At the same time, the Flag of the Heir to the Throne at Frederik X’s residence, Frederik VIII’s Palace, will be replaced by the Royal Flag. In this way, the transfer of the throne is marked.


The rest of the press release describes the differences between The Royal Flag (used by the reigning monarch), the Flag of the Heir to the Throne, the Flag of the Regent (used by other members of the family when sitting as regent), and the Flag of the Royal House (used by other members of the family when not sitting as regent).


https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/congratulation-lists

https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/gratulationslister

On the occasion of the succession of the throne, congratulation lists will be presented at the Office of The Lord Chamberlain, Det Gule Palæ (The Yellow Palace), Amaliegade 18, Copenhagen C on Sunday, 14 January 2024 from 15:00-19:00. Here, citizens will have the opportunity to write a greeting to the future King Frederik X on the congratulation lists.

Starting at 15:00 Sunday, 14 January 2024, a digital congratulation list will also be set up on The Royal House of Denmark's website, www.kongehuset.dk, where it will be possible to send a greeting to HM The King. The digital congratulation list will be open for greetings until and including Monday, 15 January 2024.



The court has translated its announcement about the military elements of the festivities into English.

https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/the-defences-role-in-connection-with-the-succession-of-the-throne


When HM The Queen and the future King and Queen are driven through Copenhagen by coach in connection with the succession of the throne on Sunday, 14 January 2024, it will, in keeping with tradition, be done with an escort by the Guard Hussar Regiment’s Mounted Squadron. Along the route, the Defence will also be present and visible with flag formations and honour commands, just as The Royal Life Guard will be attired in the red gala uniform at both Amalienborg and Christiansborg Palace.

[...]

When the coach rounds the bend at Holmens Canal, an honour command consisting of 18 service personnel from each of the three services (The Army, The Navy and The Air Force) and a flag formation with the Defence’s royally consecrated flags and standards will be set up. In extension of this, honour commands and royally consecrated flags from the Home Guard and the Danish Emergency Management Agency will be set up.

[...]

At Christiansborg Palace, a King’s Watch from The Royal Life Guard will be formed to meet the royals upon arrival and departure.

[...]

Before the proclamation, an honour command will be posted by The King’s Gate at Christiansborg Palace Square. The honour command will be positioned centrally under the balcony and consist of 48 guards, 16 drummers, a flag lieutenant and a flag bearer as well as The Royal Life Guard’s royally consecrated regimental flag.


Firing of salute

Immediately following the proclamation of HM King Frederik X, a salute will be fired from the Sixtus Battery. The Navy’s Military Police Guard will be in charge of firing the cannons located on Holmen in Copenhagen.

The salute of joy consists of 3 x 27 shots, which are fired at 5-6 second intervals. There is a tradition that 27 shots are fired for the monarch. Historically, in Danish warfare, three shots known as a “dansk løsen” have been fired to indicate the position of the Danish units. The salute has its roots in this “dansk løsen”, so there is a tradition that it can be divided into three parts.

[...]

Fact about red guard gala

The Royal Life Guard’s red gala uniform is worn only for specific occasions, including 1 January, the sovereign’s birthday, state visits and special celebrations in The Royal House of Denmark. The red gala uniform will also be worn on 15 January 2024, when the King’s Watch carries out the changing of the guard towards Frederik VIII’s Palace for the first time since January 1972.

[...]​


The original press release in Danish:

https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...s-thread-51019-11.html#post2589833tronskiftet


The court has also translated its explainer about the royal jewels into English:

Danish Crown Jewels
 
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Count Ingolf and Countess Susie will attend the service in Aarhus Cathedral on January 21. Nice to know King Frederik takes them into account!
 
Basically you need to tune in from 13.00 DK time on Sunday of you want to watch the whole show live.

Is it known where it can be watched from abroad? Is there an online stream from one of the Danish television channels?

Will it be broadcasted in Germany perhaps? I could not find anything in the programing of the ARD (sports) and the WDR. I imagine the Norwegian television or SVT from Sweden may broadcast it too?
 
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