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Yes, I do understand that of course, but if his bride were Irish, people might take a different view.
Which is why the Act of Settlement is ridiculous, but that's another thread.
Wait, how could Catherine be behind Sophie and Anne for official occasions? Since William is ahead of both of them (Edward, in Sophie's case) officially, wouldn't Catherine be ahead of them, too?
No, she would be 3rd Lady in the land after the Queen and Camilla. It will go something like this: Queen, Camilla, Catherine (after marriage), Sophie and then Anne.
The women take their "precedence" from their husbands.
If Charles is dead, William dies with no heirs, then its Harry. If he dies with no heirs, than its Andrew and Beatrice. Which is always why I said...until William and Harry have kids (especially with their chosen professions) you shouldn't count Beatrice out just yet.
Thank you. I wasn't sure, but I thought the Princess Royal, being a princess of the blood royal, would outrank Catherine, who would be a mere princess by marriage.
As was reported some time ago, HM personally changed the order of precedence for private occasions, thus: herself, then the Princess Royal, then Princess Alexandra (both being of 'the blood'), contrary to the usual position of the heir's wife as second.
The Duchess, however, ranks second in order on all official occasions, i.e. State Dinners. After her marriage, Catherine will officially be placed below Camilla, then Sophie, then Anne, i.e. she'll be fourth, as her son's daughter-in-law. Next are the York princesses, then Lady Louise.
I read that William will automatically lose the title "Prince William of Wales" once he marries is that true?
I read that William will automatically lose the title "Prince William of Wales" once he marries is that true?
That's not true.
Until William and Kate have a child, and the line of succession is extended, Harry's marital prospects are quite important. In order to keep his place in line, Harry can't marry a Catholic or if the girl he intends to marry is Catholic she must convert. If he marries a Catholic and renounces his place in line, until William has a child, the next in line for the throne is Beatrice (or is it the Duke of York?). Kind of puts everyone in a bit of a lurch.
Which is why the Act of Settlement is ridiculous, but that's another thread.
And you haven't yet explored the Order of Precedence thread - it's over 20 pages long!It's all so confusing! I have a headache....
So hold on now I'm confused does William automatically get a title at marriage or is there a chance he will remain HRH Prince William of Wales?No. He is "HRH Prince William" at birth by right of the Letters Patent of 1917 as a male-line grandson of The Sovereign. If The Queen creates him a Peer, for example, Duke of Cambridge, on his wedding day, then he will become HRH Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, and styled as "HRH The Duke of Cambridge".
Catherine takes her style, title and rank from her husband, becoming "HRH The Duchess of Cambridge", in this example after marriage, with the rank of a Princess (HRH Princess William).
So hold on now I'm confused does William automatically get a title at marriage or is there a chance he will remain HRH Prince William of Wales?
So hold on now I'm confused does William automatically get a title at marriage or is there a chance he will remain HRH Prince William of Wales?
And you haven't yet explored the Order of Precedence thread - it's over 20 pages long!
I think it's a foregone conclusion he will be created a Peer on his wedding day by The Queen as the spare to the throne. The question is whether she will create him a Duke, or decide an Earldom is appropriate.