Ingrid´s Godparents

[norwegianne]

Originally posted by Elizajane+Jan 25th, 2004 - 9:24 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Elizajane @ Jan 25th, 2004 - 9:24 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-norwegianne@Jan 23rd, 2004 - 10:21 am
Either King Harald, or Queen Sonja, or both of them.

But most of the names on your list are viable options so it&#39;s a very well put together list, Liv. Nicely done.

Since one of her names is Alexandra I think it would be nice if Willem-Alexander was one.

I doubt that Mary will be Godmother, as the baptism will take place before the wedding. And neither Haakon, nor Mette-Marit seems to know her that well yet. But either Frederik or Victoria, or both of them...

I&#39;m wondering if Prince William (of the UK) may be called upon to be a godparent? The godparents of the first son of X - CP Pavlos and Marie Chantal of Greece included William, IMHO, to be among the "next tier" of the European "participating / reigning royal families". It sure would make sense if he is asked, at least.

Elizajane [/b][/quote]
He might, but I don&#39;t think it&#39;s very likely. It has been his father, or uncle, who have been representing Great Britain on royal events in Norway.

I&#39;d love it if he was asked. Because it would be nice to have one of the next generation as a Godfather.

VG thought that Queen Margrethe and King Carl Gustaf would, or Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Victoria would be at least some of the godparents. It makes sense since the Scandinavian royals are very close.

Just wait and see... lot of that going on: first we wait and wait for the baby, and then we wait and wait for the baptism.

[Alexandria]

I don&#39;t know if this has been answered yet, but how many godparents is Ingrid Alexandra expected to have? Just 2 or 4 or 6 or more?

[norwegianne]

According to the Norwegian church she must have at least two. I&#39;m expecting she&#39;ll get six. Probably a large majority of them royals, if not all of them.

[didem]

I voted for Prince Frederik of Denmark

because Prince Frederik best man is royal wedding for Mette-Marit and Hakoon

[liv]

If you vote for "a member of another roal family" please add your ideas who will be Ingrid´s godparent...

[Angel S.]

Originally posted by liv@Jan 23rd, 2004 - 7:49 am
Who will be Ingrid´s godparents????

I think they will pick Martha Louise, Frederik of Denmark, Victoria of Sweden and probably his parents & not sure about anyone else. :flower:

[moosey60]

Yea...I agree with you people. These people are most likely in my opinion:
1) Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark (Haakon and he seem like good friends)
2) Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden
3) King Harald of Norway (Her grandfather and he is also a godfather of Maud Angelica, her cousin.)
4) Crown Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands
5) Princess Martha Louise of Norway (She&#39;s Haakon&#39;s sister, they&#39;re close, and Haakon is one of Maud Angelica&#39;s godfathers)
Probably/Maybe these people too:
6) Kirstin Hoiby (Mette-Marit&#39;s sister)
7) Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (Sophie and he were pretty chummy with Haakon and Mette-Marit)
8) (Princess) Alexandra, Countess von Pfeil
9) Marit ? (Mette-Marit&#39;s mom)
----There&#39;ll probably be a couple of Mette-Marit&#39;s close friends in this mix-----

I think Ingrid will get godparents with "Crown" before their titles because it seems like all the current "Crown Princes/ses" have had Crown Princes/ Princesses or Kings and Queens as godparents. In the event of Haakon and Mette-Marit passing away, I would say that Martha Louise would become guardian- it seems right.

[Torkel]

Crown Prince Haakon in an interview yesterday told that they had not decided upon the date of the baptism, then added that it would probably be decided (and made official) in about two weeks. I am fairly certain it will be in late April, as that&#39;s one of the few available months (May being full of weddings).

As for godparents. Norwegian children often has many godparents. I don&#39;t know whether there&#39;s any limit, but Princess Märtha-Louise had 8 when she was baptised in 1971. I have never heard of any other Norwegians with that amount, four is the most usual number for ordinary Norwegians. The royals often have more though. Earlier royals in the UK, Sweden and Denmark often had more than 10 godparents.

Crown Prince Haakon (as heir) had only royal godparents. Princess Märtha-Louise had 4 royals and 4 commoners as godparents. Maud Angelica Behn had more commoners, but she&#39;s not royal and further from the throne.

My guess is that the new Princess will have 6 or 7 godparents, mostly royals but probably also some members of Crown Princess Mette-Marit&#39;s family. I think we can expect to see these people as godparents:
- King Harald (other Norwegian Kings were godparents to all their grandchildren, and this is the new heir)
- Marit Tjessem (Mette-Marit&#39;s mother, they seem to be very close)
- Princess Märtha-Louise (Haakon is fairly close to his sister, and he was godfather to her daughter)
- one of Mette-Marit&#39;s brothers, probably Espen Høiby who seems to be the one sibling she is closest to.
- Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark (a good friend of the couple; and a tradition in the Nordic royal houses to have the other heirs as godparents to the next generation, Harald is godfather to Frederik, Margrethe is godmother to Haakon)
- Crown Princess Victoria (ditto - she also seems to know the couple fairly good; Harald was her godfather, Carl Gustaf was godfather to Haakon)

I a more uncertain about other royal godparents. The Crown Prince and Crown Princess might chose one of the royal friends from their time in London. The most likely candidates are the Earl of Wessex or his wife Sophie, Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands or his wife Laurentien, Prince Nikolaos of Greece, Prince Kyril of Bulgaria or his wife Rosario. There has been a tradition in the Norwegian royal family to have one godparent from the British royal family. Crown Prince Haakon has the Princess Royal (Anne) as his godmother, but the two does not seem to be very close. They might ask Prince William of Wales, but that&#39;s rather unlikely as they barely know him. I believe the Earl of Wessex is the safest bet.

People have suggested other royals. I am quite certain they will not chose a Catholic godparent (thus no royals from Belgium, Luxembourg or Spain). Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands has also been mentioned, but I think his younger brother is more likely because the couple knows him better. Other Danish royals have also been mentioned, but I am quite positive they will chose Crown Prince Frederik, and thus probably not another royal from Denmark.

When Prince Haakon was baptised in 1973 there were quite many royal guests. The King and Queen of the Belgians, Grand Duke Jean and Grand Duchess-Josephine of Luxemborg, royals from Sweden and Denmark. I don&#39;t expect to see that many senior royals this time, but they will probably invite more royals than those who will act as godparents.

[liv]

Is Princess Anne really a godmother to haakon????
She wasn´t present at his wedding that´s not nice...

Godparents are not required to attend weddings ... The Lutheran church actually prefers the word "sponsor" rather than godparent, although the Norwegian church may use the term Godparent. The role of the sponsor is to provide Christian support - and make the godchild aware of being a Christian.

Anne did attend Haakon&#39;s confirmation.

[Alexandria]

Sorry for being so ignorant about these matters, but it was mentioned that it was unlikely that a royal who is of Catholic faith would be chosen to be Ingrid Alexandra&#39;s godparent (or sponsor). But if I understand correctly from the posts above, a royal (or anyone else) of the Anglican or Presbyterian faith can be chosen, no problem? For example, Princess Anne is Haakon&#39;s sponsor though she is not Luthern, but none of the Spanish, Belgian or Luxembourg royals could&#39;ve been Haakon&#39;s sponsor, and now not his daughter&#39;s either because they are Catholic.

[norwegianne]

From http://www.kirken.no

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fadder-fakta
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hvert barn som blir døpt, skal ha minst to høyst seks faddere. Fadderne må ha fylt 15 år og være medlemmer av den norske kirke, eller et annet kirkesamfunn som ikke forkaster barnedåp. Foreldrene kan ikke være faddere. Presten har ansvar for å se til at fadderne oppfyller disse forutsetningene. Fadderne blir ført inn i kirkeboka.

Facts about sponsors/godparents.

Every child that is baptized, must have at least two, maximum six, sponsors/godparents. The sponsors/Godparents must be at least 15 years of age, and be members of the Norwegian church, or another church that doesn&#39;t reject the idea of children being baptized The parents can not be sponsors/godparents. The minister/reverend is responsible for making sure that the sponsors/Godparents fullfill these conditions. The sponsors/godparents will be written into the Church register.


There you have it, straight from the source, mucked up in translation by me.

[Torkel]

In Norway one usually calls the person carrying the baby godfather/godmother while the others are sponsors (fadder). This is corresponding with what Marlene wrote about the Lutheran Church. However I though the usual term in English was godparent - that&#39;s why I used that word.

I did not know about those rules from the Norwegian State Church. They are probably rather new, as royals have usually had more than 6 sponsors. Princess Märtha-Louise had 8 in 1971. However this means that Princess Ingrid Alexandra can only have 6 sponsors.

I never wrote that they could not chose Catholic godparents, they are allowed to do so by the Lutheran church. However I find it highly unlikely that they will, as it is very unusual in the Norwegian church. Sponsors from other Protestant faiths are more common.

Princess Anne was a godmother - or sponsor - to the Prince Haakon Magnus in 1973. She was unable to attend his baptism, but attended his confirmation in 1988. It was reported that she was invited to his wedding, but she had already confirmed her presence for a sailing competition (where she was supposed to hand out the First prize) and had to decline. However it is my impression that Princess Anne and Crown Prince Haakon are not very close, they do not seem to have met much when he lived in London or earlier.

[liv]

Maud Angelica was christened 2 months after her birth, so we can think of a christening at the end of march/beginning in June.In any case before May.

Then we will know the godparents...

I was also said that Maud´s godmother will be Princess Victoria but she isn´t

[liv]

Ingrid´s christening takes place on April 17th,2004,then we´ll know about her godparents.

[norwegianne]

Crown Prince Fredrik of Denmark won&#39;t be attending the christening, according to Danish newspaper BT. Neither will anybody else in his family.

He could probably still be sponsor/godfather by proxy, should they choose him.

[liv]

The names of godparents will be published on 12 April,and on April13th the guestlist will be published.

[Lena]

Article from Aftenposten:

Christening to have "national character"
Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit want the christening of their daughter, Princess Ingrid Alexandra, to be a distinctly national event. Sweden&#39;s Crown Princess Victoria will be one of the godparents, but she will also be the only member of neighboring royal houses in attendance, newspaper VG reports.

Neither Sweden&#39;s King Carl Gustaf nor Denmark&#39;s Queen Margrethe have been invited to the ceremony, even though they are godparents to Crown Prince Haakon.

The information chief at the Danish palace told the newspaper that Crown Prince Frederik and his fiancée Mary Donaldson were invited but will not be able to attend to previous commitments.

The Norwegian palace has said that invitations reflected the availability of the Swedish and Danish monarchy and also the desire to give the christening a clear sense of national occasion.

Representatives from various Norwegian organizations will attend the hour-long ceremony at the palace chapel on April 17, along with national officials and friends and family members.




So I would say it´s quite clear now, that crown princess Victoria will be godmother...

[Alexandria]

I have read that after much speculation, Mette-Marit&#39;s estranged father Sven Hoiby will be in attendance at his granddaughter&#39;s christening, despite the fact that he is selling underwear in a porn shop or has been recently photographed as Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. (Too bad he didn&#39;t do the whole range of characters, Sven Hoiby as a hobbit anyone?)

[norwegianne]

Yup, Sven H. will be in attendance, at least according to everything I&#39;ve read. Though we won&#39;t know for sure until the actual ceremony - hey, accidents do happen, you know.

I&#39;m just pissed because I promised my boss that I&#39;d be working that saturday.

Eh, probably will catch every single detail on the news later that night, as well as in rerun on NRK web-tv... but there&#39;s something about the live emission...