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Nice idea!
Zonk said:We are less than six days and counting to the wedding of Prince William of Wales and Catherine Middleton.
For the last couple of months we have been discussing possible titles for the couple. Now its time to vote.
What title will the Queen bestow on William and Catherine?
The options are: Dukes of Clarence, Cambridge, Sussex, Windsor or Kendall. Or the Earl of Something, My choice isn't listed or Nothing!
Enjoy!
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Now, because of what happened with Diana, if they had children, I believe something different and better would be done for her to reflect the fact she's the mother of the future monarch. I do remember reading quite a bit of articles in the wake of Diana's death that more should have been done for her in deference of the fact that William would one day be king, and that his mother shouldn't have just been cast off in the way she was, as it was different than when Andrew and Sarah divorced or when Anne and Mark Philips divorced.
Zonk, 2 of the colors are the same, is there a chance to change one just so it's easier to see looking at pie chart which title is winning!? if not no biggie-
Bertie, is this the one you mean? I zoomed as best I could, but my eyes are too tired to make it out right now.. As for Prince of Wales I would like to see the exact wording of the 1958 LPs but so far the only copy I have been able to view is too small to make out all the words and that could hold the key as to whether or not he would remain as Prince of Wales if he isn't the heir apparent to the throne.
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If William predeceases both his father and grandmother, but he and Catherine have no children, she would continue be styled as HRH Princess William of Wales, if William was not granted a peerage. She would lose the title if she remarried. If they had children, and William hadn't been granted a peerage, the Queen could give her a title as the mother of the future king or queen, but I don't know. I would assume she'd be granted a life peerage of some kind, to honor her rank as the mother of the future monarch, but I can't recall off the top of my head a situation where that has happened.
If they were to divorce, she'd take on the style of a divorced woman, but not that of a divorced peeress. I believe she'd go back to being Catherine Middleton. Now, because of what happened with Diana, if they had children, I believe something different and better would be done for her to reflect the fact she's the mother of the future monarch. I do remember reading quite a bit of articles in the wake of Diana's death that more should have been done for her in deference of the fact that William would one day be king, and that his mother shouldn't have just been cast off in the way she was, as it was different than when Andrew and Sarah divorced or when Anne and Mark Philips divorced.
HRHofNothing said:Thanks for the answer.
I read somewhere that the Queen offered to resotre Diana's HRH before the funeral but Earl Spencer rejected the offer
I guess in my scenario if William dies before accession with only female offspring-this would also be the first case where there would be a female heir apparent, correct?
No there isn't. When Friedrich Josias, Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha died in 1998, the Dukedom of Albany and all its subsidiary titles became extinct. He had sons, but they weren't granted permission to marry under the Royal Marriages Act of 1772, so under British law, their marriages are considered void. That means the children from those marriages are considered illegitimate and unable to succeed.
So the title is available for a re-grant if HM chooses to.
Following that thought, if Prince Charles is King and William predeceases him but has a child would Prince Henry be heir as male son of current King? Or Williams child?
If William receives a dukedom, Kate will be HRH The Duchess of said dukedom. She will not be Princess William of Wales, The Duchess of said dukedom. That's because she will be taking her husband's title and his title will not be Prince William of Wales, Duke of. It will be The Duke of.
She will be Princess William only if William does not receive another title.
Andrew and Edward get nothing from their titles as there is no set land or other income associated with these titles (same for Gloucester and Kent). These four are supported by the private income of the Queen.
Cornwall was set up to provide an independent income for the heir to the throne - independent of the monarch by the way.
The other royal duchy which provides an income is Lancaster - but that is the private income of the monarch.
Other Dukedoms that have incomes have come about because they also included estates at a time when land provided wealth. The landed aristocracy frequently were able to diversify into some form of industry to add to their wealth e.g. Duke of Westminster. The Duke of Marlborough was given Blenheim and its land as a thank you from the monarch and nation (for a peppercorn rent of one flag about the Battle of Blenheim to be handed personally to the monarch on the anniversary of that battle - hence the Duke of Marlborough is always at Balmoral for the start of the grouse hunting season as the battel was either the 11th or 13th August and the grouse hunting seasons starts on the 12th). A similar situation arose with the Duke of Wellington only his flag has to be presented on the anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo. The nation and monarch (actually the Prince Regent) gave the first duke the lands around his estate.
William is independently wealthy thanks to his mother's death as he inherited half her estate and would be very close to gaining full control of his share (I think that is next year). In the meantime he has the income from his share of the estate and he has whatever allowance his father has made for him from the income of the Duchy of Cornwall. He also has his military pay (and as I heard that Harry's would be getting a pay rise to about 70,000 pounds or dollars - I can't remember - with his most recent promotion) and William is on the equivalent rank I would assume that William will be on a similar income.
No title that the Queen gives him will come with any income.
I doubt Kate will be styled as Princess Katherine, on Friday, but I'm hoping she will be when William becomes King. This is because, in the interest of gender equality, I hope she becomes Princess Consort, rather than Queen. Nothing has been said about this possibility, yet, but she has expressed affection for Camilla, who will quite likely be styled as Princess Consort, herself. I hope Camilla becomes Princess Camilla, when Charles becomes King, for the same reason. The media wouldn't want to use "Princess Charles/George" or "Princess William", yet to use "The Princess Consort", all the time, would be clumbersome, and on another note, why should a woman be seen as an extension of her husband? Prince Philip has never been Prince Elizabeth!
The only people who want it to happen are people who cannot accept that they're married but those people can just cry me a river, build me a bridge, and then get over it.
my vote for Duke of Cambridge, I hope Princess of Wales
my vote for Duke of Cambridge, I hope Princess of Wales
and what about to create Catherine duchess, countess.. etc. in her own right?
and what about to create Catherine duchess, countess.. etc. in her own right?
Incorrect. I remain very much in favour of the alternative and I have no issue with them being married nor do I have an issue with Camilla. Infact, from what I see of her at such a distance, I like her very much.
Everyone has their own opinion and they aren't necessarily resultant of the assumptions you appear to make.
It makes zero sense to oppose her being Queen. Zero. If Charles bows to this nonsense, to me that makes him a spineless coward.
Would that make Catherine a life peeress and therefore, give her a seat in the House of Lords? I don't know exactly what the situation is after the Labour government reformed seats in the House of Lords from being a hereditary in 1999, but I remember that one reason Diana wasn't given a peerage after the divorce (since the HH style didn't exist anymore in Britain, she couldn't be "downgraded") because the result would be she would get a seat in the House of Lords.and what about to create Catherine duchess, countess.. etc. in her own right?
Would that make Catherine a life peeress and therefore, give her a seat in the House of Lords? I don't know exactly what the situation is after the Labour government reformed seats in the House of Lords from being a hereditary in 1999, but I remember that one reason Diana wasn't given a peerage after the divorce (since the HH style didn't exist anymore in Britain, she couldn't be "downgraded") because the result would be she would get a seat in the House of Lords.
She will need to be formally stripped of the title of Queen before the LPs can be issued. Parliament will need to be involved and possibly the Parliaments of the other realms.