King Constantine has passed away - January 10, 2023


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wartenberg7 said:
ERT will broadcast if the royal family will give its permission. Obviously they do due to Andreas Megos instagram! When Queen Frederica died back in 1981, her coffin was even topped with the greek crown, not just orders. I´m not sure if this government has any say in this if the royal family decides so!



Quote: "TELEVISION COVERAGE OF KING CONSTANTINE'S FUNERAL:

Inside the Cathedral of Athens and in the chapel of St. Eleftherios there will be public television coverage.

ERT will provide exclusive coverage of the funeral service in the Cathedral and the chapel. It will provide coverage on all private channels.

The procession, which will start from the Cathedral and reach Tatoi, will be covered only by the private television channels up to the entrance of Tatoi.

At the royal cemetery, due to the presence of foreign leaders and dignitaries, television coverage will again be on public television and will be given free to all private television channels."





I´d rather say all of them stay right now in the Hotel Grand Bretagne, which has a long history with the GRF (return banquets at state visits, Constantine and Anne-Marie had one of their pre-wedding banquets there etc. ) A couple of days I saw pictures of the family assembling there, so I guess Sophia and Irene stay there, too.





Well, there are also greeks like you on this forum who expressed their disgust about the treatment of the government toward the GRF, so I guess their experiences are as valid as yours.

You claim the monarchy was "not good for Greece". Was the republic? It is not long ago the EU had to save the greek state, as a result of decades of an obvious inability of a proper economic policy, of bankruptcy and insolvency! It was not just one single misfit government back in the 80s or 90s who made Greece the "poor man of europe", but, obviously one unfit government after another over a period of decades.

Back in the 1950s and 60s, the royal family was obviously very popular. I´ve been watching hours and hours of old greek newsreels and movietones when the royal family was out and about in Greece during that period. Where ever they went, the streets were packed with hundreds, sometimes thousends of enthusiastic, devoted people, cheering everyone of them which I have rarely seen in this amount in another monarchy (may be only rivaled by the british royal family at the same period of time)! Or the devestation when King Paul died and some women even fainted on the street when they heard the sad news...

People of today seem to regard this family only from their sorry end on the hellenic throne and neglect everything before that coup and exile of the royal family. That does not mean every single greek was a monarchist. Of course not. But presidents have also their opponents, people who voted against them or would want them out of office. The dislike of today is very clearly the result of the refusal of the greek government over a period of almost 40 years, to let the GRF into their homeland and excessive negative propaganda.
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I'm Greek living in Greece so I'm entitled to an opinion. The point is not if Monarchy was good or not. This is personnal opinion, not the subject of the discussion and people has decided about in 1974.
The point is that how shocking is to treat a former head of state this way.
 
JGio said:
Wow. So they’re all staying at the Grande Bretagne then! Never understood how hotels can find rooms for so many guests this last minute. I expect some top hotels to be sold-out most of the time. It has to be easier for all to stay there together, also logistics-wise.

Glad to see many well-wishers and citizens gathering. But I’m not fond of how the GRF is behaving, they look as bothered, annoyed. They seem so unapproachable, a bit snobbish, to me. The circumstance is far from happy, they all so sad, but I’ve not seen a single pic where they wave at a photographer.

Instead, I’m very glad to see many royals being polite and smiling at cameras, regardless of all.
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This is the off season, so I am not surprised that rooms are available in the poshest most upscale hotels.

Also never underestimate the power of $$$ to clear the way and make things happen. :cool::whistling:
 
JGio said:
I was wondering the same. I assume at the Spanish Embassy in Athens, but just my assumption. It’s a private event she’s attending, but still the Queen Emerita’s brother’s funeral.

Anyone knows?
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Queen Sofia has always stayed on Hotel Hilton, not the Embassy. Now that Hilton is closed i presume she might stay to Hotel Grande Bretagne also.
Pcs Irini has an small appartement in Athens Center, I don't now if she still has it and uses it.
 
According to Greek television, Sofía and Juan Carlos are at the St George Lycabettus hotel. That would explain the lack of photos.

Today the family has carried out a new rehearsal of the ceremony. Carlos, Alexia's son, carries the coffin with his uncles and cousins. Infanta Elena and some of Sofia's grandchildren (Pablo and Victoria) are also in Athens.

https://www.protothema.gr/greece/ar...teliki-prova-gia-tin-kideia-tou-konstadinou-/


King Felipe and Queen Letizia

At the airport

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614679114501218305

At the hotel

https://www.iefimerida.gr/ellada/te...se-stin-athina-o-basilias-felipe-tis-ispanias

LOS REYES DE ESPAÑA LLEGAN A ATENAS PARA EL FUNERAL DE CONSTANTINO DE GRECIA - Todos - ..:GTRESONLINE:..

 
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A more complete overview of how Constantine himself is related to many royal houses in Europe... (and that is without taking into account that his wife also closely related to several royal houses)

THROUGH HIS FATHER

MAIN LINE:
King George I - King Constantine I - King Paul I - King Constantine II - Crown Prince Pavlos

SISTER is Queen-Emerita of Spain/Nephew is King of Spain:
King George I - King Constantine I - King Paul I - Queen(-Consort) Sofia (of Spain) - King Felipe (of Spain)

FIRST COUSIN was king of Romania/First cousin once removed is 'Custodian of the Crown':
King George I - King Constantine I - Queen(-Consort) Helen (of Romania) - King Mihai (of Romania) - Margaretha, Custodian of the Crown (Romania)

AUNT was temporarily Queen of Croatia (disputed) and wife/mother/grandmother of the 4th til 6th/current Dukes of Aosta (who therefore is his first cousin once removed):
King George I - King Constantine I - Queen(-Consort) Irene (of Croatia)/Duchess of Aosta - Prince Amedeo, 5th Duke of Aosta - Prince Aimone, 6th Duke of Aosta

The Duke's wife is also a SECOND COUSIN herself:
King George I - Prince Christopher - Prince Michael - Princess Olga (Duchess of Aosta)

SECOND COUSIN is a member of the house of Radziwill (and one of queen Sofia's best friends)
King George I - Prince George - Princess Eugenie - Princess Tatiana (Radziwill)

SECOND COUSIN is the current head of the Castel Duino branch of the House of Thurn und Taxis
King George I - Prince George - Princess Eugenie - Prince Carlo Allessandro (della Torre e Tasso, 3rd Duke of Castel Duino)

SECOND COUSIN ONCE REMOVED of the Bernadotte siblings (who are members of the extended Swedish royal family)
King George I - Princess Alexandra - Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna (of Russia)/Duchess of Södermanland - Count Lennart (Bernadotte) - Countess Bettina (Bernadotte) (and her siblings)

SECOND COUSIN ONCE REMOVED of Dimitri of Yugoslavia and his siblings
King George I - Prince Nicholas - Princess Olga - Prince Alexander (of Yugoslavia) - Prince Dimitri (of Yugoslavia)

SECOND COUSIN of a Count of Törring-Jettenbach
King George I - Prince Nicholas - Princess Elizabeth - Hans Veit (Count of Törring-Jettenbach)

SECOND COUSIN ONCE REMOVED of a Archduchess Sophie of Austria and TWICE REMOVED of the future head of the House of Windisch-Graetz
King George I - Prince Nicholas - Princess Elizabeth - Helene (Countess of Törring-Jettenbach) - Archduchess Sophie (of Austria/Habsburg) - Prince Maximilian Hugo (of Windisch-Graetz)

SECOND COUSIN ONCE REMOVED of the current Head of the House Hohenlohe-Langenburg
King George I - Prince Andrew - Princess Margarita - Prince Crato (of Hohenlohe-Langenburg) - Prince Philipp of Hohenlohe-Langenburg

SECOND COUSIN of the former Margrave of Baden who passed away less than three weeks ago; second cousin once removed of the new Margrave (i.e., Head of the House).
King George I - Prince Andrew - Princess Theodora - Prince Maximilian (Margrave of Baden) - Prince Bernhard (Margrave of Baden)

SECOND COUSIN ONCE REMOVED of another prince (and princess) of Yugoslavia
King George I - Prince Andrew - Princess Theodora - Princess Margarita (of Baden) - Prince Nikola (of Yugoslavia)

SECOND COUSIN ONCE REMOVED of another princess of Yugoslavia
King George I - Prince Andrew - Princess Sophie - princess Christina (of Hesse) - princess Maria Tatiana (of Yugoslavia)

SECOND COUSIN of various princes and princess of Hesse and of Hanover (and/or 'once removed' from their children)
King George I - Prince Andrew - Princess Sophie - princes and princesses of Hesse AS WELL AS princes and a princess of Hanover

SECOND COUSIN is king of the UK:
King George I - Prince Andrew - Prince Philip - King Charles III (of the UK)[/QUOTE]



THROUGH HIS MOTHER
Main line: Ernst August (Crown Prince of Hanover) - Ernst August (Duke of Brunswick) - Princess Frederica (of Hanover) - King Constantine II

FIRST COUSIN of the head of the house of Hanover
Ernst August (Crown Prince of Hanover) - Ernst August (Duke of Brunswick) - Ernst August (Hereditary Prince of Brunswick, Prince of Hanover) - Prince Ernst August (of Hanover)

FIRST COUSIN is the wife of the current head of the house of Leiningen (their son Ferdinand, his first cousin once removed) is the future head
Ernst August (Crown Prince of Hanover) - Ernst August (Duke of Brunswick) - Ernst August (Hereditary Prince of Brunswick, Prince of Hanover) - Princess Alexandra (of Hanover) - Ferdinand (Hereditary Prince of Leiningen)

FIRST COUSIN is married to a Count of Hochberg
Ernst August (Crown Prince of Hanover) - Ernst August (Duke of Brunswick) - Ernst August (Hereditary Prince of Brunswick, Prince of Hanover) - Princess Marie (of Hanover) - counts/countesses of Hochberg

Also through this line Constantine was a SECOND COUSIN of the late Margrave of Baden; the current Margrave is his second cousin once removed
Ernst August (Crown Prince of Hanover) - Princess Marie Louise (of Hanover) - Berthold (Margrave of Baden) - Prince Maximilian (Margrave of Baden) - Prince Bernhard (Margrave of Baden)

SECOND COUSIN of duchesses of Mecklenburg (Donata and her sister Edwina) - their grandfather was the last reigning duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (no male-line family members left)
Ernst August (Crown Prince of Hanover) - Princess Alexandra (of Hanover) - Duke Christian Louis (of Mecklenburg) - Duchess Donata (of Mecklenburg)

SECOND COUSINS are Princesses of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg (4 in total); the sons of the eldest are 'princes of Ysenburg-Büdingen-Wachtersbach' (so second cousins once removed)
Ernst August (Crown Prince of Hanover) - Princess Alexandra (of Hanover) - Duchess Anastasia (of Mecklenburg) - Princess Elisabeth (of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg) - Prince Johann Georg (of Ysenburg-Büdingen-Wachtersbach)

lula said:
According to Greek television, Sofía and Juan Carlos are at the St George Lycabettus hotel. That would explain the lack of photos.

Today the family has carried out a new rehearsal of the ceremony. Carlos, Alexia's son, carries the coffin with his uncles and cousins. Infanta Elena and some of Sofia's grandchildren (Pablo and Victoria) are also in Athens.

https://www.protothema.gr/greece/ar...teliki-prova-gia-tin-kideia-tou-konstadinou-/
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That seems like a good choice: his three sons and five grandsons carrying the coffin.
 
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Adda said:
Well, the turnout was also impressive and vey moving when Nikolaos and Tatiana got married in Spetses. They know a large portion of the Greek people is with them.


The work continues in Tatoi. I can image how emotionally drained they will be after tomorrow, not having been able to just mourn from the beginning, but having to deal with the stupid Greek government and all the damage in Tatoi.

https://www.protothema.gr/greece/ar...s-ergasies-stous-vasilikous-tafous-sto-tatoi/
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I am happy that the GRF are doing what they can to restore Tatoi Cemetery. I just don't understand why they waited until the last minute, when it became urgently necessary.:ermm:
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
I am happy that the GRF are doing what they can to restore Tatoi Cemetery. I just don't understand why they waited until the last minute, when it became urgently necessary.:ermm:
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The Royal family doesn't own the burial site. It's the Greek state that owns it and is responsible for its upkeep. I'm sure that the Royal family would be more than happy to be able to buy it or even just handle the upkeep of the site
 
I have read that Queen Sofia, Princess Irene, Princesses Alexia, Thoeodra, would be in the House of the Queen Anne Marie in Athens, it is this is the two floors of a building owned by the shipowner Lemos on Street with name Queen sophia

I have seen a video of the arrival of Prince Haakon, Princess Matte Mary, Martha Louise, and with them in the same car has arrived, Arrietta the granddaughter of King Constantine
 
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Very sad images, Queen Sophia looks completely devastated.

Was it a rehearsal or were they moving the coffin to the chapel to lie overnight?
 
I imagine the fact it is January in Athens has helped mean there are still plenty of rooms available. If it had been peak holiday season they may have found it trickier to secure rooms but hotels are use to having to move things around to accomodate people - state visits, political visits, party conferences etc.

I hope the Greek government doesn't go on about the cost of it all after the funeral is over. I hope they show some dignity.
 
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The Greek government does not want anything that seems official and therefore did not allow a public farewell in the cathedral, but fom 6 a.m. to 10:30 a.m the public may bid farewell to King Konstantinos at the Church of Theotokos Gorgoepikoos, right next to the cathedral.
 
JR76 said:
The Royal family doesn't own the burial site. It's the Greek state that owns it and is responsible for its upkeep. I'm sure that the Royal family would be more than happy to be able to buy it or even just handle the upkeep of the site
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I don't own cemetery where my grandparents are buried. But I visit them regularly and do my best to keep their tomb in order.

It's really sad that bunch of multimillionaires didn't bother to do something long before this week. Independent trust to support this place should be established many years ago.
 
Good lord, some people seem to have trouble understanding that the Greek Royal Family was banned from entering the country for DECADES and even stripped of their nationality. Tatoi was taken from the royal family, the government doesn't take care of it and now that Konstantinos has died, the family has to fix the mess in 4 days.
I bet the entire family is in enough pain seeing the family cemetery in such deplorable conditions, being prevented from taking care of it as they would like. I also can't imagine Queen Margrethe and Princess Benedikte looking at the place where their little sister will be laid to rest in the future and being delighted by it.



The family is hosting a dinner, good to know Princess Alexandra is also there.
https://www.protothema.gr/greece/ar...lous-proskeklimenous-parathetei-i-oikogeneia/
 
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I don't think they were allowed to do much, to be honest. This wasn't a case of cleaning some gravestones. It was all charred, fallen trees, etc. Heavy machinery was needed to clear that.

Were they even allowed to enter the site recently? I know they were allowed to visit the cemetery in the past, but I'm not sure about after the wildfire. I heard that roads there were only now reopened.
 
Spheno said:
I don't own cemetery where my grandparents are buried. But I visit them regularly and do my best to keep their tomb in order.

It's really sad that bunch of multimillionaires didn't bother to do something long before this week. Independent trust to support this place should be established many years ago.
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They cannot take care of the site because the government LITERALLY won’t allow it. They could not provide support to a premises that the government blatantly prevents them from keeping clean. Some of the family being rich has nothing to do with this. The responsibility fell on the Greek government because they own Tatoi palace and its burial grounds and it is obviously their fault for the deliberate neglect and vindictiveness for leaving the grounds in disarray. What could the family have done?
 
Spheno said:
I don't own cemetery where my grandparents are buried. But I visit them regularly and do my best to keep their tomb in order.

It's really sad that bunch of multimillionaires didn't bother to do something long before this week. Independent trust to support this place should be established many years ago.
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I think the royal family would like to be able to take care of the palace and cemetery. But the government does not allow it. So the royal family can't do much. The royal family visits the cemetery from time to time, and that's about all they can do.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
They cannot take care of the site because the government LITERALLY won’t allow it. They could not provide support to a premises that the government blatantly prevents them from keeping clean. Some of the family being rich has nothing to do with this. The responsibility fell on the Greek government because they own Tatoi palace and its burial grounds and it is obviously their fault for the deliberate neglect and vindictiveness for leaving the grounds in disarray. What could the family have done?
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Again. Who prevents them from establishing special fund to help upkeep the site? They had plenty time to do so.
The royal family lived last 10 years in Greece. Did they visit the site at least once before?

Blog Real said:
I think the royal family would like to be able to take care of the palace and cemetery. But the government does not allow it. So the royal family can't do much. The royal family visits the cemetery from time to time, and that's about all they can do.
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If they want official role in upkeeping this place, of course the government does not allow it. But they had plenty time to do something unofficially with locals help. This place required only goodwill and money.
 
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Spheno said:
Again. Who prevents them from establishing special fund to help upkeep the site? They had plenty time to do so.

The royal family lived last 10 years in Greece. Did they visit the site at least once before?
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There is no question of having the funds. Is question of having the right to interfere, and they don't have it.
Not only the site belongs to the Greek state but also since it is part of the historical and cultural inheritance, every action on it, has to bear the approval of the Ministry of Culture and the Central Archeology Council (KAS)
It is considered a monument of the Modern History so you can't touch it.
Yes i know that they don't do nothing... but this does not give the right to any external entity to interfere.
 
 
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fandesacs2003 said:
There is no question of having the funds. Is question of having the right to interfere, and they don't have it.
Not only the site belongs to the Greek state but also since it is part of the historical and cultural inheritance, every action on it, has to bear the approval of the Ministry of Culture and the Central Archeology Council (KAS)
It is considered a monument of the Modern History so you can't touch it.
Yes i know that they don't do nothing... but this does not give the right to any external entity to interfere.
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They don't need the right to interfere.
They should support those who have the right to interfere and have the right to prepare a project for the place's restoration.
 
Interesting to see that Sophia’s grandchildren are also with the family with the exception of Leonor and Sofia.
 
Spheno said:
Again. Who prevents them from establishing special fund to help upkeep the site? They had plenty time to do so.
The royal family lived last 10 years in Greece. Did they visit the site at least once before?



If they want official role in upkeeping this place, of course the government does not allow it. But they had plenty time to do something unofficially with locals help. This place required only goodwill and money.
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I think a point was clearly made, nothing could be done because it’s government property and the government is hostile to the family so they had no chance to do anything because the government wouldn’t allow it. All the money in the world is useless if they weren’t allowed to fix the site. I clearly stated it is government owned. What could locals do?
 
From the footage, it appears that Princess Martha-Louise of Norway and Lady Gabriella Windsor are both in Athens.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
I think a point was clearly made, nothing could be done because it’s government property and the government is hostile to the family so they had no chance to do anything because the government wouldn’t allow it. All the money in the world is useless if they weren’t allowed to fix the site. I clearly stated it is government owned. What could locals do?
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Even if the locals wished to help, they would likely face arrest and prosecution for trespassing on a government owned historic site. Honestly I can't see the Greek Royal Family making a request to the locals knowing the potential consequences.
 
kalnel said:
From the footage, it appears that Princess Martha-Louise of Norway and Lady Gabriella Windsor are both in Athens.
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How wonderful that Lady Gabriella is able to attend her godfather's funeral.

Spheno said:
Again. Who prevents them from establishing special fund to help upkeep the site? They had plenty time to do so.
The royal family lived last 10 years in Greece. Did they visit the site at least once before?
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The government prevents them from doing so. The family has tried to get the support of the government to work on the upkeep op Tatoi but until recently, to little avail.

I found this article from June 2021 in which Sophia (born a princess of Greece) discussed the renovation of Tatoi Palace with the prime minister of Greece.

And here is a picture of several family members attending the annual memorial services at Tatoi in 2015 organized by king Constantine - each year held in March. See also these picture from 2018 (the king was no longer able to stand for long periods of time but that did not prevent him from organizing and attending the annual memorial service. Pictures from 2019 (I guess due to the pandemic they were not able to organize them in subsequent years - although I assume they still made private visits).
 
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I thought King Juan Carlos was staying at the Grande Bretagna hotel
 
lula said:
Queen Sofía and spanish royal family arrive to the dinner



LA REINA SOFIA Y EL REY EMERITO JUAN CARLOS LLEGAN A LA CENA POR EL FUNERAL DE CONSTANTINO DE GRECIA ACOMPAÑADOS POR SUS HIJAS Y SUS NIETOS - Todos - ..:GTRESONLINE:..
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King Juan Carlos seems in bad condition.

Greek press said also that Prince Albert will come with the princess of Hannover.
By the way no news about Prince Ernst August ? Late King Constantin was his first cousin

Extremely heartbreaking picture of Queen Anne-Marie, from Andreas Megos Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/CncOUeisvsY/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Some other pictures. Is that lady Tatiana's mother ?

https://www.thetoc.gr/people-style/...penthima-look-sto-kentro-tis-athinas-eikones/



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