The Duke and Duchess of Sussex to Step Back as Senior Royals: January 2020

[Lumutqueen]

Who hosts this Twitter account, named The Royal family? Is it offical ir just anfansite?
They posted today 1 about K&W being in Bradford and 11 (!) of Harry&Rugby.
They seem to urgently trying to give H. work a goid reputation or just being fans if him, maybe both if not official.

They directly posted about Henry and The Rugby League World Cup six times, they retweeted 5 other tweets.

You can tell an account is verified by the blue tick next to their name.

This is only for peerages granted at the behest of the government (the various honours lists). Royal peerages are granted by Letters Patent and can be taken away as such. However, if the Queen would take away their HRH's first, the peerage would no longer be a royal peerage and would require an act of Parliament to remove it

Your proof to show this is actually the case? As all documentation I have read suggests the exact opposite.

 

[Betsypaige]

Oh wow, this just makes me so sad. I'm not liking either Harry or William at this point.

Affectionate ridicule? So clearly the two don't respect their father....Harry running to "granny". I wish that the Queen had insisted that Harry deal wit his father. I'll also say this - when Charles is gone, they will regret how they treated their "papa".

Many have questioned why, as William and Harry’s father and only living parent, Charles has not been able to broker peace between his once inseparable sons. The truth is the royal brothers do not really listen to the ‘Papa’ they have long seemed to regard with a degree of affectionate ridicule. Charles has always been desperate for the approval of his two self-confessed ‘mummy’s boys’ and so historically has had to bring in outsiders to read the riot act, such as their former joint private secretary Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton.


Charles’s aides asked William to praise his father’s role in the boys’ upbringing when the brothers appeared in documentaries to mark the 20th anniversary of their mother’s death. He refused. Only Harry paid a brief tribute. But his own relationship with their father suffered a severe blow when, in agreement with the Queen, Charles refused to let the Sussexes set up their own ‘court’ at Windsor after they split their household from the Cambridges’ at Kensington Palace last spring. It is certainly telling that when Charles, famed for his love of ‘black spider’ memos, demanded that Harry commit his ‘North America’ blueprint to paper, the characteristically impatient and sometimes petulant ‘spare to the heir’ went straight to granny.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2020/01...yal-conflict-is-between-charles-and-his-sons/

 

[Pranter]

SMH... because the tabloids and media are so accurate in their stories about members of the BRF. Yes that is sarcasm.



LaRae

 

[Alison H]

I'd like to know what they're intending to do about staff. I honestly haven't got a clue how many people they employ, and I appreciate that a lot of work can be done remotely these days, but most people are not going to want to be rushing backwards and forwards between the UK and Western Canada - people have families and friends and interests and commitments.


I don't think there's any question of removing their titles. If they agreed to renounce them, that would be different, but actually removing them would seem pretty hostile, and be an embarrassment for the Royal Family. And the government does not want to get involved in this - both the British and Canadian governments have other, urgent matters to deal with.

 

[_Heather_]

In that case, as she no doubt wants to remain titled and styled (still not sure what styled means).

Styled refers to the HRH, titled is the title. So, her title is Duchess of Sussex. Her style is Her Royal Highness. The Queen can the remove the style, i.e. the HRH at any time. The title, i.e. The Duchess of Sussex, must be removed from both she and Harry by an act of Parliament.

If they are doing work for the Queen they deserve security. If they are doing private work they deserve security.

Why on earth would they deserve security if they're doing private work? I'd agree that they certainly deserve security when performing engagements or duties on behalf of the Queen. But when they're acting privately? Nope, they don't deserve anything. They might like to have it. They may want someone else to pay for it. But they certainly don't deserve it.

 

[Duchessmary]

My two cents- Harry isn't going to be stripped of anything. He was born an HRH and that's what he'll stay. People also forget he's a wealthy young man in his own right. Diana's will provided amply for both of her sons.

 

[Lady Marlboro]

There is a lot about this situation I don't like and don't understand - like why loving parents left their 8 month old son in a foreign country. I think they need to realize that there are consequences to their actions and they can't get everything they want. However, I don't think they will lose the title or the HRH because I think deep down in their heart of hearts Charles and William are hoping that maybe one day Harry will come back.

 

[wyevale]

Immigration lawyers have suggested the Lady's application for British citizenship will be scuppered if she and her Husband spend large amounts of time in Canada.

How can someone WITHOUT British citizenship possibly be considered a "British royal"?

 

[soapstar]

Once again, the moderators have had to delete comments because of bickering and infighting between members.

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Comments about Meghan’s private visits have been moved to her Current Events thread. Comments comparing the Sussexes to the Queen and other royals have been deleted.

 

[_Heather_]

However, I don't think they will lose the title or the HRH because I think deep down in their heart of hearts Charles and William are hoping that maybe one day Harry will come back.

Truthfully, I kind of agree with you. While I personally feel that they should absolutely lose their style and I'm on board with losing the titles, too, I think the RF might feel that's a bit too drastic because there may come a day when Harry "returns to the fold" so to speak. If I'm 100% honest I think the writing's already on the wall for the long term future of the marriage and I wouldn't be overly surprised if, at some point in the future, we see the family welcoming Harry back to both the family and the duties of a full time working member of the RF. However, it would be terribly awkward (and maybe even impossible?) to remove his title now and then give it back when circumstances have changed. I kind of feel like HM, the PoW, and the DoC might be hedging their bets and planning to allow the title to remain in case this plays out the way that I and many others believe it inevitably will. And, if they allow the titles to remain for now and later on find that they're being used in a highly inappropriate way (for personal gain, etc.) they can always be removed. I guess I'm just really saying that it's easier to let it ride for now and remove them later if need be than it would be to removed them now and then later try to reinstate.

 

[Helen.CH]

There is a lot about this situation I don't like and don't understand - like why loving parents left their 8 month old son in a foreign country. I think they need to realize that there are consequences to their actions and they can't get everything they want. However, I don't think they will lose the title or the HRH because I think deep down in their heart of hearts Charles and William are hoping that maybe one day Harry will come back.

It might look strange to some in the other hand to put a young child through two transatlantic flights within days was not a good option either,
but beside this they might want to show how it could look like in the future,
one of them with the child and the other one abroad doing duties.
This is only a suggestion, who knows��

To everybody here, excuse me making faults in both the language and typing, I am disabled and sometimes simply cannot see the letters- thank you for being patient with me��*

 

[Betsypaige]

Truthfully, I kind of agree with you. While I personally feel that they should absolutely lose their style and I'm on board with losing the titles, too, I think the RF might feel that's a bit too drastic because there may come a day when Harry "returns to the fold" so to speak. If I'm 100% honest I think the writing's already on the wall for the long term future of the marriage and I wouldn't be overly surprised if, at some point in the future, we see the family welcoming Harry back to both the family and the duties of a full time working member of the RF. However, it would be terribly awkward (and maybe even impossible?) to remove his title now and then give it back when circumstances have changed. I kind of feel like HM, the PoW, and the DoC might be hedging their bets and planning to allow the title to remain in case this plays out the way that I and many others believe it inevitably will. And, if they allow the titles to remain for now and later on find that they're being used in a highly inappropriate way (for personal gain, etc.) they can always be removed. I guess I'm just really saying that it's easier to let it ride for now and remove them later if need be than it would be to removed them now and then later try to reinstate.

Styled refers to the HRH, titled is the title. So, her title is Duchess of Sussex. Her style is Her Royal Highness. The Queen can the remove the style, i.e. the HRH at any time. The title, i.e. The Duchess of Sussex, must be removed from both she and Harry by an act of Parliament.

Thank you! So maybe the style should be removed - possibly - not the title. I don't care if this happens or not, but I do not think they deserve security when not acting on behalf of the Queen

My two cents- Harry isn't going to be stripped of anything. He was born an HRH and that's what he'll stay. People also forget he's a wealthy young man in his own right. Diana's will provided amply for both of her sons

Then if he wants to be financially independent, and he's wealthy through Diana, then there's no need for Charles to fund he and Meghan, especially if the article I posted above is correct.

 

[Sionevar]

Immigration lawyers have suggested the Lady's application for British citizenship will be scuppered if she and her Husband spend large amounts of time in Canada.

How can someone WITHOUT British citizenship possibly be considered a "British royal"?

I guess in the sense that she's part of the British royal family by marriage? So, calling her a 'British royal' is a convenient shorthand, if not 100% accurate in the legal sense?

I'm sure if they could have made Meghan a British citizen before or on her wedding day, they would have. Alas, that was not the case, and now she is living outside the UK, the process will only be delayed further...

 

[_Heather_]

Goodness gracious, Meghan really needs to stop her "friends" from talking. There's now an article making the rounds purporting to have comments from her friends about her finally being able to breathe, how leaving the RF was a matter of life or death because her soul was dying, etc. And the wording of the article is very clear about the fact that she's done. She left, she now has free reign, and she didn't want Archie around that toxic life. It even clearly states "she will continue making surprise visits and and wants to feel embraced by her community."

If this is even remotely true then she needs to get a grip on her friends immediately because I suspect this type of thing would very seriously and negatively impact her negotiations with the RF and this is really not great publicity because it smacks of the me, me, me entitlement that Meghan's already getting so much flack for.

I'm sure if they could have made Meghan a British citizen before or on her wedding day, they would have. Alas, that was not the case, and now she is living outside the UK, the process will only be delayed further...

Or they could have and didn't because there were reservations and they wanted her to go through the process to see if she'd actually follow through. Just a thought.

 

[tommy100]

The Guardian newspaper is today reporting a review of protection for Prince Andrew is recommending scaling back his security following the announcement he is stepping down from official duties. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-home-office-recommends-downgrade-of-security

I suspect this may set the precedence for Harry and Meghan.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

I think Canada was chosen to "soften the blow" as it's a Commonwealth country. US is probably the goal. I can imagine the Sussexes will travel to US for most of their "business" ventures.

If Prince Harry and Meghan originally planned to move to the United States, why did they not put this in writing in the first place?

 

[wyevale]

the process will only be delayed further...

I really cannot see her bothering to continue with the process of obtaining British nationality - she has no love for this country, or its systems, and I doubt she will ever live here again..

 

[Missjersey]

Goodness gracious, Meghan really needs to stop her "friends" from talking. There's now an article making the rounds purporting to have comments from her friends about her finally being able to breathe, how leaving the RF was a matter of life or death because her soul was dying, etc. And the wording of the article is very clear about the fact that she's done. She left, she now has free reign, and she didn't want Archie around that toxic life. It even clearly states "she will continue making surprise visits and and wants to feel embraced by her community."

If this is even remotely true then she needs to get a grip on her friends immediately because I suspect this type of thing would very seriously and negatively impact her negotiations with the RF and this is really not great publicity because it smacks of the me, me, me entitlement that Meghan's already getting so much flack for.

I agree but......if it’s so toxic why does she want some of their “bread and butter “.

 

[Elenath]

Goodness gracious, Meghan really needs to stop her "friends" from talking. There's now an article making the rounds purporting to have comments from her friends about her finally being able to breathe, how leaving the RF was a matter of life or death because her soul was dying, etc. And the wording of the article is very clear about the fact that she's done. She left, she now has free reign, and she didn't want Archie around that toxic life. It even clearly states "she will continue making surprise visits and and wants to feel embraced by her community."

If this is even remotely true then she needs to get a grip on her friends immediately because I suspect this type of thing would very seriously and negatively impact her negotiations with the RF and this is really not great publicity because it smacks of the me, me, me entitlement that Meghan's already getting so much flack for.

You mean this article? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Markle-pleases-without-asking-permission.html

I had no idea the DM is seen as believable now. Or is that only because Meghan is the subject.

 

[Betsypaige]

Goodness gracious, Meghan really needs to stop her "friends" from talking. There's now an article making the rounds purporting to have comments from her friends about her finally being able to breathe, how leaving the RF was a matter of life or death because her soul was dying, etc. And the wording of the article is very clear about the fact that she's done. She left, she now has free reign, and she didn't want Archie around that toxic life. It even clearly states "she will continue making surprise visits and and wants to feel embraced by her community."

If this is even remotely true then she needs to get a grip on her friends immediately because I suspect this type of thing would very seriously and negatively impact her negotiations with the RF and this is really not great publicity because it smacks of the me, me, me entitlement that Meghan's already getting so much flack for.

Oh for pete's sake... her friends, they have diarrhea of the mouth and they aren't doing her any favors...at ALL. If they're just being her mouthpieces, like Bradby, then she has no right to keep Archie from his family - and if Harry agrees and doesn't bring the sweet babe to see his family or just doesn't visit, period (based on that Spectator article, all is not well), then that's on him as well.

 

[_Heather_]

I agree but......if it’s so toxic why does she want some of their “bread and butter “.

Precisely. Why not just go ahead and admit that she wants out instead of this whole cat and mouse game about part time work, collaborating with the Queen *insert eye roll here*, geographic balance, and appreciation of the royal tradition into which their son was born? I realize that it's all trying to keep up the appearance of wanting to be half in and half out so that the perks don't all dry up and disappear but for heaven's sake, tell your friends to zip it until you've signed on the dotted line.

You mean this article? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Markle-pleases-without-asking-permission.html

I had no idea the DM is seen as believable now. Or is that only because Meghan is the subject.

That is the article I mean and that is why I said "purporting" and "if." Who knows if there's truth to this or not but frankly, it doesn't sound outside the realms of possibility for Meghan and her friends. Let's not forget that People article or the likes of the Clooneys and Jameela Jamil or whatever her name is running to her defense publicly.

 

[Helen.CH]

Goodness gracious, Meghan really needs to stop her "friends" from talking. There's now an article making the rounds purporting to have comments from her friends about her finally being able to breathe, how leaving the RF was a matter of life or death because her soul was dying, etc. And the wording of the article is very clear about the fact that she's done. She left, she now has free reign, and she didn't want Archie around that toxic life. It even clearly states "she will continue making surprise visits and and wants to feel embraced by her community."

If this is even remotely true then she needs to get a grip on her friends immediately because I suspect this type of thing would very seriously and negatively impact her negotiations with the RF and this is really not great publicity because it smacks of the me, me, me entitlement that Meghan's already getting so much flack for.

I do not know which article your post refers to, but read some questions concerning Doria's influence and what came up my mind spontanously than was( only suggestion o.c) all these persons I know who are deeply in to this Yoga stuff (I did it myself but only for my back's sake) and consider it almost a kind of religion are somehow different, maybe some if you understand what I want to point out?
If Doria and Meghan are really in that much into Yoga as it has been reported,
this step back does not surprise me. Those people I know have done "similar" steps like leaving the country to some "healthier" places , cut relations to " toxic" people aso
I do not want to blame anybody or Yoga as a method but only was thinking if this maybe had some impact, too. Maybe another piece in this puzzle.

 

[Erin9]

Goodness gracious, Meghan really needs to stop her "friends" from talking. There's now an article making the rounds purporting to have comments from her friends about her finally being able to breathe, how leaving the RF was a matter of life or death because her soul was dying, etc. And the wording of the article is very clear about the fact that she's done. She left, she now has free reign, and she didn't want Archie around that toxic life. It even clearly states "she will continue making surprise visits and and wants to feel embraced by her community."



If this is even remotely true then she needs to get a grip on her friends immediately because I suspect this type of thing would very seriously and negatively impact her negotiations with the RF and this is really not great publicity because it smacks of the me, me, me entitlement that Meghan's already getting so much flack for.

Well, if this if true, she may have wanted her friends to speak for her. I believe they’ve done so before. She’s saying it’s a toxic environment- that’s her defense for this mess. It’s probably the excuse for the horrible way this has been handled. She “couldn’t” wait to do this properly.

That said- a part of me thinks she should speak for herself if that’s actually how she feels, and she wants her incredibly negative feelings publicly known. She can own it. If this is true, of course.

True or not- it sounds over the top to me. Your soul is dying? Life was that hard? Um- okay.

That being said- technically all she’s said publicly is she wants to not be a full time royal. It wouldn’t stun me if the reality is she’s basically or entirely done though. But who knows.

She came back to the U.K. for about 30 seconds- visited the patronages that got blindsided later in the day, moved her dogs to Canada, didn’t bring her son to the U.K. even to see family, and is doing work in Canada.

If I wanted to demonstrate a continued interest in the U.K., I’d have stayed for a bit. At least through negotiations with the family. Maybe actually doing work in the U.K. too. At least make it look like I still cared. Because from an optics POV, looking at her actions- I’d say it appears she doesn’t. Actions speaking louder than words and all. That’s speculation. Maybe she intends to do exactly what she said on the website, but I can’t say it looks that great to me right now.

 

[RoyalNight]

If Prince Harry and Meghan originally planned to move to the United States, why did they not put this in writing in the first place?

If I remember correctly they wrote about spending time in UK and North America. So it could be US or Canada, or both.

 

[_Heather_]

I do not know which article your post refers to, but read some questions concerning Doria's influence and what came up my mind spontanously than was( only suggestion o.c) all these persons I know who are deeply in to this Yoga stuff (I did it myself but only for my back's sake) and consider it almost a kind of religion are somehow different, maybe some if you understand what I want to point out?
If Doria and Meghan are really in that much into Yoga as it has been reported,
this step back does not surprise me. Those people I know have done "similar" steps like leaving the country to some "healthier" places , cut relations to " toxic" people aso
I do not want to blame anybody or Yoga as a method but only was thinking if this maybe had some impact, too. Maybe another piece in this puzzle.

I don't want to speak for you or put words in your mouth but I believe that what you're referring to is the same thing that was brought up countless times over the last three years or so. Some have referred to both Meghan and her mother as both "California girl free spirits" and "hippy dippy." I suspect that this is the type of culture you're thinking of and you're right in that the culture around those labels is thought to encourage things like leaving toxic environments, cutting out negativity, etc. Again, I really don't want to speak for you so maybe you mean something entirely different, but that's my guess as to what you're referring to.

 

[Pranter]

If I remember correctly they wrote about spending time in UK and North America. So it could be US or Canada, or both.

In the statement put out by The Queen this week she said they would spend time in Canada.


LaRae

 

[Erin9]

Oh for pete's sake... her friends, they have diarrhea of the mouth and they aren't doing her any favors...at ALL. If they're just being her mouthpieces, like Bradby, then she has no right to keep Archie from his family - and if Harry agrees and doesn't bring the sweet babe to see his family or just doesn't visit, period (based on that Spectator article, all is not well), then that's on him as well.

What article- out of curiosity?

 

[Betsypaige]

What article- out of curiosity?

That DM article...

If I wanted to demonstrate a continued interest in the U.K., I’d have stayed for a bit. At least through negotiations with the family. Maybe actually doing work in the U.K. too. At least make it look like I still cared. Because from an optics POV, looking at her actions- I’d say it appears she doesn’t. Actions speaking louder than words and all. That’s speculation. Maybe she intends to do exactly what she said on the website, but I can’t say it looks that great to me right now.

By the way, I agree with this. It looks like all that language about collaborating, etc...was lip service - and spin. Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they DO.

 

[Denville]

Goodness gracious, Meghan really needs to stop her "friends" from talking. There's now an article making the rounds purporting to have comments from her friends about her finally being able to breathe, how leaving the RF was a matter of life or death because her soul was dying, etc. And the wording of the article is very clear about the fact that she's done. She left, she now has free reign, and she didn't want Archie around that toxic life. It even clearly states "she will continue making surprise visits and and wants to feel embraced by her community."

If this is even remotely true then she needs to get a grip on her friends immediately because I suspect this type of thing would very seriously and negatively impact her negotiations with the RF and this is really not great publicity because it smacks of the me, me, me entitlement that Meghan's already getting so much flack for.

sorry where does she intend to make the surprise visits to? The UK? Canada? California?

 

[Erin9]

It's a DM article so it could be the full truth, a partial truth, or a complete fabrication but it does have some pieces which seem like they could have come straight from Meghan and/or her camp.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Markle-pleases-without-asking-permission.html

Edited to add...sorry, I thought you were referring to my post. I don't have a link for the other article you're referring to.

Thanks anyway.


I do agree- some of it sounds Meghan- esque to me. It fits some of what she said in the interview. I forget the exact words- but not enough to survive or something- needed to thrive. She made it clear she was miserable. But- all, some or none of this article could be true.