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Old 01-09-2020, 06:15 AM
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@Muhler, I agree on no further comments means actual rift. Actually the first and only statement from BP may be short but I find it to be loaded:

"We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

Sounds like they haven't even begun to figure out how to work through what the Sussexes want. Calling it "complicated issues" is also funny given the elaborate FAQs on the website---to me it sounds like that is their official response to the simplistic presentation done by the Sussexes.

I rooted for H&M from the start, still do, but the way this has been handled reeks of self-importance and complete disregard for the tried and tested practices of the Firm.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:16 AM
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Piers Morgan today in the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-Hustlers.html

I know, it is Piers and everything he wrote is or was predictable, but it goes back to my point that Harry and Meghan only made themselves more vulnerable to attack / criticism.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:18 AM
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Considering Dan Wootton was correct in his scoop on this matter, I think we can give him some credence on follow-up info.

Because he got this right doesn't mean anything else is. A broken clock is right twice a day. The vast majority of these 'scoops' are false.


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Old 01-09-2020, 06:19 AM
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Piers Morgan today in the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-Hustlers.html

I know, it is Piers and everything he wrote us predictable, but it goes back to my point that Harry and Meghan only made themselves more vulnerable to attack / criticism.
This isn't more vulnerable it is the same thing they have been dealing with already. Piers was the one that told Meghan if she didn't like it to "go back to America". Now that she and Harry are doing something along those lines he's upset about that. He is just highlighting the hypocrisy of the BM.

He is just proving the point that no matter what they do they will be criticized for no reason so they might as well do things that at least make them happy and healthy as individuals and a family unit.

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@Muhler, I agree on no further comments means actual rift. Actually the first and only statement from BP may be short but I find it to be loaded:

"We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

Sounds like they haven't even begun to figure out how to work through what the Sussexes want. Calling it "complicated issues" is also funny given the elaborate FAQs on the website---to me it sounds like that is their official response to the simplistic presentation done by the Sussexes.

I rooted for H&M from the start, still do, but the way this has been handled reeks of self-importance and complete disregard for the tried and tested practices of the Firm.
Sometimes you have to make the unpopular decision and be proactive....something the BRF doesn't seem to get they are never proactive in anything and only issued this statement because they are scrambling to try and save face as the first POC in the royal family (in modern times) and her husband have enough of the poor treatment towards her and making it clear they aren't going to stand for it. The BRF have done nothing (at least nothing effective) to help the Sussexes deal with the on slaughter of the bullying from the media. When Catherine & Camilla faced it, Harry spoke favorably in public for both of them. Sadly none of them could do the same for the couple, who have done nothing wrong and have successfully completed projects for people of the UK & Commonwealth. Have done 3 successful tours provided a stronger global presence for the family and still nothing.

Expecting them to sit back and take in the abuse is foolish...Harry & Meghan realize that isn't worth their mental health or their family.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:23 AM
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This isn't more vulnerable it is the same thing they have been dealing with already. Piers was the one that told Meghan if she didn't like it to "go back to America". Now that she and Harry are doing something along those lines he's upset about that. He is just highlighting the hypocrisy of the BM.

He is just proving the point that no matter what they do they will be criticized for no reason so they might as well do things that at least make them happy and healthy as individuals and a family unit.
They are more vulnerable in the sense that more people will now agree with Piers and think he has/had a point. Just read the comments section below.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:24 AM
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And one day will come under Williams control when his father becomes king. He then has a say in the allocation of any money.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:27 AM
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And one day will come under Williams control when his father becomes king. He then has a say in the allocation of any money.
Good point. The moment Charles becomes King, Harry’s money will have to come from the Duchy of Lancaster or the King’s private income . The Duchy of Cornwall will support William and his family.

It looks like Harry and Meghan just wrote down on their new website how they want things to be going forward , but didn’t bother to work anything out first wiith the relevant parties ( the Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cambridge , the British government, the Canadian government, etc.). It is justified to ask who they think they are .
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:36 AM
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Charles is not going to leave either of his sons without money. William being in control of the Duchy of Cornwall isn't going to make Harry penniless.

Everyone needs to stop being so doom and gloom. Let them work it out...who's to say a hybrid system won't work until it's been tried? If it doesn't work things can change again.


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Old 01-09-2020, 06:37 AM
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They are more vulnerable in the sense that more people will now agree with Piers and think he has/had a point. Just read the comments section below.
People agreed with Piers and all his other statements so this still is no different. There are also a lot of people out there in support of Harry and Meghan. Have seen the bullying that they have dealt with and know why they made the decisions they have.

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I think she's bored and tired with this life. And I don't blame her. But what was she thinking marrying the future King's son?

Maybe it's a matter of saving his marriage for Harry? Meghan clearly is the driving force for this decision. She just doesn't want this life.

Based on what evidence that Meghan was bored? She seemed to really enjoy the project work having 3 major projects in less than 18 months. More likely she was fed up with the constant poor treatment she received for simply being. Harry made it quite clear even in the engagement interview that their relationship would always be first (as it should be when you take vows of marriage). Why people think he can't make up his own mind is sad... he knows what he is doing he is a 35 year old man, husband & father his family should be his first priority.

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Good point. The moment Charles becomes King, Harry’s money will have to come from the Duchy of Lancaster or the King’s private income . The Duchy of Cornwall will support William and his family.

It looks like Harry and Meghan just wrote down on their new website how they want things to be going forward , but didn’t work anything out with the relevant parties ( the Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cambridge , the British government, the Canadian government, etc.). It is justified to ask who they think they are .
They are PEOPLE and so many seem to have forgotten that. Day in and Day out for almost 2 years (3 if you count the engagement/dating time) that they have had to put with disparaging remarks, lies and other falsehoods with little true support from their families. They are PARENTS who don't want their child(ren) to be raised in a toxic environment where he is compared to a monkey or on display as if he is part of a circus. They are a COUPLE who decided that enough is enough and took steps to ensure their mental and family well-being. They are HUMANITARIANS that have worked hard to help others in worse conditions/advantages than themselves.

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It's so sad how they claimed their little break was to regain their mental strenght and enjoy their family while in fact they were preparing this "bomb".
Who is to say that the break didn't help them regain their mental strength AND help them realize that things weren't going to get better. They posted a few comments/pictures on their own SM during the break supporting charities and were again attacked, the break showed them that they to make drastic changes because the way things were going was not working nor was it helpful...and probably pretty damaging. Regaining mental strength doesn't mean coming back and being scapegoats for the BRF or people for the BM to trash.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:37 AM
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It's so sad how they claimed their little break was to regain their mental strenght and enjoy their family while in fact they were preparing this "bomb".


Totally agree. I rooted for Harry and Meghan, but this tactic is ill advised. Meghan will learn the hard way that culture trumps strategy every time. She just can’t buck a thousand years of history and think she will be success in it.

If anything, they have placed themselves and their child is an even more vulnerable position re: exploitation, security, etc ...

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Old 01-09-2020, 06:52 AM
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They are more vulnerable in the sense that more people will now agree with Piers and think he has/had a point. Just read the comments section below.
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Piers Morgan today in the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-Hustlers.html

I know, it is Piers and everything he wrote is or was predictable, but it goes back to my point that Harry and Meghan only made themselves more vulnerable to attack / criticism.

It hurts to say that Piers' interpretation could be accurate. Both boys - like all Windsor men - are weak and controlled by their wives. The wives generally know how to behave to protect the crown plus their personal interests. Michael Middleton's family have done this in a highly tactical purposeful way so that they stay at the centre and are in place ready to occupy the throne. In contrast, Meghan is taking the second son along a commercially-oriented Hollywood defined life - ie which cannot process the public spirited nature of monarchy. Americans do not have a concept of public life that is separate from the ability to own and spend money. The Windsors are conservatives there is no way any of them would let themselve be described as 'progressive' - further evidence of Meghan's influence. Harry cant hide that he is in the military, the Household Cavalry even (which doesnt get more establishment). Meghan is clearly controlling him by comparing herself to Diana. That is her main source of power over him but it doesn't work with the rest of us - hence Piers has a point. An average Joe accepts that the royal family are different from the rest of us and therefore have natural, inherited entitlement to their rarefied lifestyle and they do not have the drudgery of jobs and daily grind of earning a living etc. Meghan's choice is illogical. You can't have both - you cant have gobal royal status, make a living in the big bad world and be left wing. She is only getting her way by psychologically manipulating her husband into believing his wife is being persecuted like his mother. ugh.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:03 AM
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If they wanted a life somewhat away from the lime light and a proper career I think the move could have been understandable and perhaps could even have been applauded. As others said: it happens in other monarchies too. And even in the UK there are some examples, most notably the Duke of Gloucester who worked as an architect with little fuss.

But I doubt they will be pursuing a genuine career path. Instead it seems they want to become a 'brand' which means they will be monetizing their royal status as any international celebrity does these days. Instead of being out of the lime light I suspect they will -try to- be more in the lime light. It casts doubts over all their actions of the last 1 1/2 years. In hindsight one can only wonder if any real efforts were made at any point to make this situation work or if this was the plan all along. I fear they give me the impression of the latter.

Some claim that the RF never really accepted Meghan. I would not be surprised if the reality is the other way around. Meghan never really accepted them. Neither did she accept the role she was supposed to play. I can not see many other explanations for throwing the towel in the ring after barely a year of active royal duties.

For years I have been allergic to this mixture of monarchy and celebrity. It is a reason why I had strong doubts about the introduction of Sofia of Sweden into the Swedish royal family. For some reason I gave this couple the benefit of the doubt. Sadly I fear we have been deceived and the naysayers have been right. They are making a mockery out of the whole thing.

Time will tell if I am wrong, I sincerely hope I am & will be happy to write a mea culpa. But if I am not, I can not see how this can end in a good way. If they truely go ahead in monitizing their status the monarchy needs to distance itself from this couple and break ties with them. It would of course be preferable if they are made to see sense but I am not counting on that to happen.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:08 AM
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I just had the time to look at their website -- https://sussexroyal.com/ --

It's all here if you care to read:
In the spring of 2020, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be adopting a revised media approach to ensure diverse and open access to their work. This adjustment will be a phased approach as they settle into the new normality of their updated roles. This updated approach aims to:
  • Engage with grassroots media organisations and young, up-and-coming journalists;
  • Invite specialist media to specific events/engagements to give greater access to their cause-driven activities, widening the spectrum of news coverage;
  • Provide access to credible media outlets focused on objective news reporting to cover key moments and events;
  • Continue to share information directly to the wider public via their official communications channels;
  • No longer participate in the Royal Rota system.
And so on. We learn of their critizism of the current Royal correspondents and how they support open and truthful media. Even if they are critizised when appropriate.
I can subscribe to that. And I think that is the basis of their wish to get rid of their position as "senior Royals". They want reports about their work that are truthful, even if they are not always positive and they want to enjoy their privacy as individuals, all the while understanding, that

"their roles as members of the Royal Family are subject to interest, and they welcome accurate and honest media reporting as well as being held to account if appropriate. Equally, like every member of society, they also value privacy as individuals and as a family."


It is honestly as shame that the tabloids especially did not respect that and treated them as they deserved, but hunted them down and lied all the time about Meghan. So I support their decision.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:11 AM
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Word on the street in the UK - no-one's very impressed.
Exactly the opinion of people i've heard from, on this matter..

People are cross that the Queen [especially, but not only her] was 'blindsided'..
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:13 AM
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What my thoughts keep circling back to is bad advice from paid professionals plus a certain amount of hubris on the part of those receiving that advice equals an unqualified disaster.

HM is one of the most admired people on the planet. She has endured through over seventy years of economic and political cycles in the UK, familial upheavals, personal losses, etc. and has earned the respect of almost everyone that is educated about what her role is as Monarch. She is seen with great affection in the US as well (I'm looking at you, Meghan).

Who in their right minds, during a period in which you have been regularly barbecued to a certain extent in the press, makes this kind of move in such a public way, against a public figure like QE II?

The Sussexes could have negotiated a framework for a life as "adjunct" royals that fit their desires for a fulfilling public and private existence. It appears that that process had already begun.

NOW, if they come out of this with anything on their list of desires it will be only because HM will make the decisions based on years of experience good and bad, and for the benefit of the Crown/Country.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:14 AM
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Charles is not going to leave either of his sons without money. William being in control of the Duchy of Cornwall isn't going to make Harry penniless.

Everyone needs to stop being so doom and gloom. Let them work it out...who's to say a hybrid system won't work until it's been tried? If it doesn't work things can change again.


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I did not intend to imply that Henry would be penniless once William has control of the Duchy, I was just pointing out for anybody unfamiliar with the process that it goes with the title not the individual, so when William becomes king, it passes to George. The Duchy goes with the title and holder of the Prince of Wales.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:16 AM
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It's all here if you care to read:
In the spring of 2020, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be adopting a revised media approach to ensure diverse and open access to their work. This adjustment will be a phased approach as they settle into the new normality of their updated roles. This updated approach aims to:
  • Engage with grassroots media organisations and young, up-and-coming journalists;
  • Invite specialist media to specific events/engagements to give greater access to their cause-driven activities, widening the spectrum of news coverage;
  • Provide access to credible media outlets focused on objective news reporting to cover key moments and events;
  • Continue to share information directly to the wider public via their official communications channels;
  • No longer participate in the Royal Rota system.
And so on. We learn of their critizism of the current Royal correspondents and how they support open and truthful media. Even if they are critizised when appropriate.
I can subscribe to that. And I think that is the basis of their wish to get rid of their position as "senior Royals". They want reports about their work that are truthful, even if they are not always positive and they want to enjoy their privacy as individuals, all the while understanding, that

"their roles as members of the Royal Family are subject to interest, and they welcome accurate and honest media reporting as well as being held to account if appropriate. Equally, like every member of society, they also value privacy as individuals and as a family."


It is honestly as shame that the tabloids especially did not respect that and treated them as they deserved, but hunted them down and lied all the time about Meghan. So I support their decision.

I posted the link at least 3 times here yesterday....but it doesn't fit the narrative so good luck getting anyone to calm down long enough to read their website/statements.



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Old 01-09-2020, 07:17 AM
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Things have changed since Diana’s day. The way she was treated by the paparazzi, those horrendous pictures of her car being surrounded by photographers as she was trying to drive down the street, was appalling, but that doesn’t happen any more. I think Harry and Meghan have made things very difficult for themselves. Why couldn’t they have issued a few more photos of Archie? Most people will post photos of babies on Facebook or Instagram, although admittedly they’re not going to attract worldwide interest. Why couldn’t they have named his godparents – what was the big secret? It’s hardly as if the press were going to go round and hound them: I doubt most people could even name one of the Cambridge children’s godparents. Nobody has bullied them. They’ve just received some criticism, which everyone in the public eye does – it’s not pleasant, but, if you are in the public eye, whether you are a royal, a politician, a sports player, an actor, a singer or anyone else, then that’s just part of it, and you have to learn to ignore it. I don’t suppose Kate enjoyed having topless photos of herself published in trashy magazines across the world, and some of the stuff that’s been said about Camilla is horrendous. If you want to step out of the limelight completely, as Princess Beatrice seems to be doing, then that’s fine, but you can’t have your cake and eat it.

Meghan could learn a lot from her own mum. Doria Ragland has never behaved with anything less than dignity.
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If they will "Provide access to credible media outlets focused on objective news reporting to cover key moments and events" then you are excluding only deliberatel biased forms of journalism - ie 'cranks', politicians and extremists. Every news source is 'credible' and 'objective'. Are they taking a gratuitous pop at the BBC? Piers? A hereditary institution cannot operate in a blatantly politicised way (although they do latently). Is this how they get the UK used to Brexit by americanising the way our royal family works?
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:19 AM
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I did not intend to imply that Henry would be penniless once William has control of the Duchy, I was just pointing out for anybody unfamiliar with the process that it goes with the title not the individual, so when William becomes king, it passes to George. The Duchy goes with the title and holder of the Prince of Wales.

Your statement did seem to imply Harry was going to be short shifted once William is in charge.




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