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Old 01-18-2020, 04:02 PM
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What wrok are they going to do? If they are no longer representing the queen or taking public funds - and are giving up the use of the HRH.. what are they going to do?
I think that she can probably go back to acting, politics, etc. and he could do public speaking.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:03 PM
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this is a much tougher deal than I expected..


It wasn’t much of a deal at all really. What they got out of the “deal” wasn’t going to be denied them:

Harry and Meghan were never going to be forced to live in the UK full time. If they wanted to make their own money- financial freedom- no one would say no. There would be anger, hurt, disappointment, but not refusal.

The issue was them wanting to have their cake and eat it too. That was denied.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:04 PM
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I think that she can probably go back to acting, politics, etc. and he could do public speaking.
I wonder how well all that will go when they are no longer using HRH and are probaby deterred from anything controversial or too commercial.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:04 PM
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Excellent decision by Her Majesty.

Her Majesty certainly has a wry sense of humour to agree to the line about being proud of Meghan so quickly becoming one of the family...

The York sisters are the only ones around who can possibly be called upon to pick up some slack. Someone has to be around to open hospitals in Sheffield and village fetes in Shropshire.
As said before, the whole system needs a lot of chnage, not every fly needs a royal patronage in the future...
Charles will have to do a lot to start these processes , think he has already behind closed doors.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:04 PM
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From ITV's Chris Ship

@chrisshipitv Note how the very first line from the Queen was: “Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions...” I hear there were many different drafts of that line So who was telling the truth last week when the Royal Family claimed to be ‘blindsided’ by the statement?


Yeah... I am sure more questions will be raised soon enough.
How many times has this to be repeated, the RF knew of H& M wish to make changes, they were asked to keep it out of the public domain until decisions had been made. They ignored the queens request to keep this within the family and blindsided the family with the statement they issued followed by the website.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:04 PM
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In the short term, for the next year while this agreement with the Sussexes is under trial, I think we can expect to see a bit more official engagements from the York sisters. If the Sussexes don't return to the fold in 2021 then I suspect that Bea and Eugenie will definitely become working royals, with their spouses doing a few here and there, similar to the level of participation we see from Tim Lawrence. The Wessex kids simply are too young still to take anything on for another 10-15 years. The only option that exists to cover the window we have until the Cambridges are old enough are the Yorks.
I dont think we will see the Yorks step up. I do think we will see more prominent roles for Ed and Sophie.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:06 PM
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They were blind sided by the public announcement was my take. Harry and Meghan did that on their own- obviously before anything was worked out. They aren’t stepping back- they are stepping out.

The website had to be an appalling shock - it had no basis in reality. At all.

Which is why they should have shut up. They announced what they wanted and presented it as a done deal. It really is embarrassing.

Absolutely. It was one-upmanship when they threw down the gauntlet.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:07 PM
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Noone discusses so far that Her Majesty stated: "
"I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family."


So it was the media who made her flee and then both were kicked out. Still being part of the family but no longer "Royals". They should now use Mountbatten-Windsor as I think Windsor is more known than Sussex.



Oh Meghan, what did you do to your Harry. For I doubt he would have left his job at the palace alone. And he will find that he is just as interesting as the late Duke of Windsor was, but has none of the "Royal" perks anymore. But: they are both adults and have enough money for a more private life. They surely will still get money from Charles, that wasn't a topic in the statements and IMHO is just as he is Charles' son and why should they live on Diana's inheritance alone??
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:07 PM
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I’m positive the BRF will be fine, for those (not here) thinking this will damage them. I think they’ve handled this well...I DO think HM, Charles and William will need to discuss the future in terms of replacements for H and M


Agreed. They’ll be fine. It’s a 1,000 year business.

The sudden loss of 3 royals will have to handled. Their short and long term planning will have to be revised somehow.

This leaves William with absolutely no support from his own generation. Unless they make a change. That’s huge.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:09 PM
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Well, now I think I understand why the staffing at Frogmore changed this week. Am I understanding that Harry and Meghan are required to pay back the cost of refurbishing?
That's going to pinch their house hunting fund in NA, or alternately, reduce the money they get from Charles if he decides to cover it himself and withhold the amount from what he might have given them from his own income.

I think this is a both a wakeup call and a lifeline for Harry and his son.

Meghan, I believe is making her own plans right about now.

Wow.
Obviously it won’t come fro their own pocket, so it’s an easy concession for them.

Meghan already had plans. Now she is going to have to revise them.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:09 PM
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Again, nothing changes until Spring 2020. The titles and use of their HRHs don't take effect until Spring 2020.

Nothing to do with not willing to give it up....
Maybe. I think they will keep it like explained, calll themselves HRH but not when working. If not, this is just another teenage behaviour if them, not surprisingly TMO.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:09 PM
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I wonder how well all that will go when they are no longer using HRH and are probaby deterred from anything controversial or too commercial.
Probably not well. They would get work for the year as thrm being a novelity perhaps but after that not at all. Let's be honest. She was a small time actress whose big claim was she addressed the UN. So.did Princess Eugenie and no.one went mad about it and he really isn't that bright without anyone to do the backroom work.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:11 PM
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It wasn’t much of a deal at all really. What they got out of the “deal” wasn’t going to be denied them:

Harry and Meghan were never going to be forced to live in the UK full time. If they wanted to make their own money- financial freedom- no one would say no. There would be anger, hurt, disappointment, but not refusal.

The issue was them wanting to have their cake and eat it too. That was denied.
This. Honestly, I only care about them now as it relates to Harry returning home and seeing family. I’m sure they’ll pop up on ET and other entertainment programs, but I won’t be interested.

I’ll be honest, unless H and M come to NYC, I don’t see any NY papers covering them. Even then, I don’t think it will be a big deal. Same for other cities. The U.S. is huge, and we’ve got our own issues to deal with, heaven knows. The only media who will be covering them regularly will be entertainment media, unlike in the UK, where they were real news. So, I wonder just how disappointed they’ll be when they see how NOT a big deal they are here
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:11 PM
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Maybe. I think they will keep it like explained, calll themselves HRH but not when working. If not, this is just another teenage behaviour if them, not surprisingly TMO.
Then what's the point in them agreeing to not use their HRHs, then use them when not working? The official statement literally says that everything listed will come into effect in Spring 2020.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:12 PM
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Beatrice and Eugenie might not been so keen to become full time working royals. They may well both be hoping to start families soon, and they may not welcome the additional press scrutiny. I think they'd both do a great job, but they might not want to.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:12 PM
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I wonder how well all that will go when they are no longer using HRH and are probaby deterred from anything controversial or too commercial.
Probably the courtiers know Meghan better and with this she might be off the stage very quickly and they expect Harry to be back 😉I do not know but think just anotherndivorcedmPeincemdoesmnot threat anybody in BP and H without Meghan seems to be much better than H with M !
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:13 PM
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I re-read the statement from the queen. HM has not kicked the Sussexes out which I imagine is disappointing to some. They are still part of the family. HM recognized the two years of scrutiny impacting them (I think she threw shade at the British media). Acknowledging Meghan's contributions was a good touch; but it seems if this was done a year ago we would not be here. Well what's done is done. I wish the Sussexes strength and health and a good life.
I think this depends on what you mean by "kicked them out." The Sussexes proudly declared a week ago to the world that they would be working part-time in "collaboration" with The Queen, particularly that they would be undertaking foreign tours, etc.

The Queen just issued a statement that they "can no longer" represent her. So yes, she just kicked them out of their official role about a week after they dramatically unveiled their plans to work alongside her, in a tone that to many suggested they were doing her some kind of favor.

Of course she hasn't "kicked them out" of the family, though. Whether one thinks they've shown themselves out is another matter.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:13 PM
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Does this mean they are still Royals without the HRH? Do they have to bow/curtsy to Bea and Eug? Have they lost their place in the line of succession?
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:13 PM
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Again, nothing changes until Spring 2020. The titles and use of their HRHs don't take effect until Spring 2020.

Nothing to do with not willing to give it up....
It would be more "gracious" if they stopped using HRH now. Especially when they're writing about themselves.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:14 PM
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Does this mean they are still Royals without the HRH?
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