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Old 01-18-2020, 03:04 PM
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The HRH styles haven't been withdrawn - which would be way too awkward - but they won't use them. So he's now just Henry, Duke of Sussex ... like the Duke of Rutland or the Duke of Roxburghe or umpteen other dukes. "His Grace" doesn't go with a royal dukedom ... but royal dukes are always HRH, except now Harry isn't!

I feel really sad. I don't think they gave the Queen any choice - they can't have their cake and eat it. The military appointments are as representatives of the Queen, and they don't want to represent her any more. I know it's not as if Harry was king or ever going to be, but it does feel a bit like it must have done when Edward VIII decided that he was going to abdicate, and to hell with what that meant for his brother, sister-in-law, nieces and everyone else. Harry's had so much affection from the public, ever since he was born, and even despite some of the stupid things he did in his 20s.

I hope it works out for them, and they don't regret it a few years down the line. Or even months down the line ... when it gets to the summer and we see lots of pictures of the Cambridges, the Phillipses and the Tindalls all having jolly days out at the polo together. Meghan will be going back to her old life to some extent, but these'll be uncharted waters for Harry, and that's never easy.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:05 PM
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What does this mean- that they are officially no longer royal? I’m guessing that the Duke of Sussex title will die out with Harry.
They will no longer use their HRH and only use their title the Dukedom of Sussex. The way that the title is used is up for debate.

The title will not die out with Henry, as the LPs created say it passes to heirs of the male body. Henry has a son.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:06 PM
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What does this mean- that they are officially no longer royal? I’m guessing that the Duke of Sussex title will die out with Harry.
The dukedom is hereditary and only an act of Parliament could change that.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:06 PM
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I didn’t have ttime to process the news yet,.

So is Harry still legally a Prince, but will voluntarily relinquish the use of the HRH style ? What about Meghan ?

How are they known now ? Henry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex ? Or Their Graces The Duke and Duchess of Sussex ? And how does that affect Archie’s future title ? Would he still be a prince when Charles is king ?

Who will pay for security in Britain and Canada ?
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:06 PM
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I don't think the public will be happy with Charles continuing to fund Harry and Meghan - so much for being financially independent. It IS his private fund - and, of course, he's not going to turn his back on his son.......

I know it shouldn't feel that way since Harry can still visit, but it feels like father/son/brother won't see each other very often - that breaks my heart.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:07 PM
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The HRH styles haven't been withdrawn - which would be way too awkward - but they won't use them. So he's now just Henry, Duke of Sussex ... like the Duke of Rutland or the Duke of Roxburghe or umpteen other dukes. "His Grace" doesn't go with a royal dukedom ... but royal dukes are always HRH, except now Harry isn't!
I've asked for clarification on this. All other non royal dukes are known as The Duke of XXX. RRs are stating that Henry will now be known as Henry, Duke of Sussex. Which is incorrect, his peerage is separate to his HRH and was given to him via LPs. They have every right, in my understanding, to be known as The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:08 PM
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I don’t see this is a loss for the Sussexes. Neither seem concerned about status. They get to keep their home. They get to make their own money and live in NA when not visiting the U.K.
I don't think so either. It seems it came down to them wanting to live outside the UK and explore work outside the royal bubble or be senior royals.

They made their choice. Though I am surprised by the whole "revisit in a year" and they are still doing engagements (even if minimum) for the next weeks.

Oh well. It is finally done. I would imagine this time next year they will officially remove the HRH would be my guess.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:09 PM
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They have update their website with the following message;

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Update: 18th of January 2020

In line with the statement by Her Majesty The Queen, information on the roles and work of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be updated on this website in due course. We appreciate your patience and invite you to explore the site to see the current works of Their Royal Highnesses.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:10 PM
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It was laughable the number of people who were using the Sussex website to support their ideas that Meghan and Harry would still be working "part time" for The Queen and would still be living and working part time in the UK, and telling us over and again that "we must not have read the website" because it was all right there, laid out for us.

That is not how any of this works. No matter how much flowery language is in those statements, these two just got slapped in the face and made themselves and everyone who believed them look like fools.
I think people knew and understood - well, most of them did - that this website was Harry and Meghan's wishlist. Now we see how much of it they got to keep and it's not much.

They don't get to be part-time royals while they're making their personal fortune elsewhere. It was a bad idea when Sophie and Edward did it, and I don't doubt it wouldn't go well now too. The whole idea of collaborating with HMQ was awful. God awful. I don't think I will forget that sentence, it'll be in my mind until I die. So disrespectful.

I'm surprised that Harry lost his military titles, that had to hurt him, especially since we all know how invested he was in that part of his life. It's also interesting how the statement said "North America" and not "Canada" - I wonder if they won't settle in the US after all.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:11 PM
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They have update their website with the following message;
Well they shouldnt be theirbroyal highness for one thing and the name will have to change. Just throwing them out. But they wanted to be thrown. So.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:12 PM
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I didn’t have ttime to process the news yet,.

So is Harry still legally a Prince, but will voluntarily relinquish the use of the HRH style ? What about Meghan ?
Neither will use their HRH. It's Henry's birthright, as opposed to legally.

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How are they known now ? Henry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex ? Or Their Graces The Duke and Duchess of Sussex ? And how does that affect Archie’s future title ? Would he still be a prince when Charles is king ?
According to twitter, it's Henry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Which for many royal watchers is incorrect. He's entitled, like all other non royal dukes, to be known as The Duke of Sussex.

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Who will pay for security in Britain and Canada ?
I don't think this was ever going to be decided, or announced this early. It's not for HM to work out, which is what her announcement have been regarding. It's for the Home Office and Canadian equivalent to deal with.
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They actually wrote “Their Royal Highnesses”?
Someone didn’t read the Queen’s entire statement!

I imagine their foundation and website will be getting renamed.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:13 PM
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That is 'as nothing' to what they are getting now...
And what they will get.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:13 PM
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Let's be real. The notion of revisiting this arrangement in a year is clearly there so that if the Sussexes find that they aren't quite as successful being out on their own as they think they will be then they can come back and be working royals. It's a tradeoff. I think Harry will find that he's gotten what he wishes in a life of privacy and little media interest. Will this satisfy Meghan? Or will she decide that she wants the media spotlight that comes from being a senior working royal?

Certainly their diehard fans will stick by them through thick and thin but much of the Meghan Effect and the recent Archie effect phenomena will die off quite soon, I expect, now that the Sussexes are, essentially, private citizens.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:14 PM
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Oh well. It is finally done. I would imagine this time next year they will officially remove the HRH would be my guess.
Unless Henry and Meghan request it, I don't think they will ever lose their HRH. The Queen and Charles just simply wouldn't do it. I think this period until next year is to see if they actually like the situation they've landed themselves in. If they don't, they reverse the clock.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:15 PM
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This is now. Everyone gets a hard time once the honeymoon period's over - Waity Katie, Sophie and the Fake Sheikh, the Duchess of Pork. What about all that ridiculous fuss over Beatrice's hat? It was only a hat, but the press went on about it for weeks. And Camilla must really, really love Prince Charles to have hung around with the things that the press were saying about her, whereas it's mostly favourable now. If Meghan had given it a bit longer, I think things would have settled down for her too. And I bet most people feel under-appreciated in their jobs!


I think Doria Ragland is wonderful. Whilst Thomas and Samantha Markle have been shouting their mouths off to anyone who'll listen, she has not said a word.
I thought Beatrice handled the hat issue so well but donating it to charity. Because, like you say, it was just a hat.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:15 PM
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It's very clear: Harry and Meghan are part of the Queen's family. They are still "Royal Highnesses" but they will not use these titles. They will not work for the Queen. They will spend most of their time in North America. They seem to have agreed to do work that would not be in conflict with the Queen's values. They are not supported financially. They pay back the renovation cost of Frogmore Cottage. They pay rent.

I think this goes a long way to silencing the critics and the tabloids. As for security costs, the statement was quite cagey...that security arrangements are not publicly commented on.

It's kind of sad to lose them as working royals, but I really hope it works for them. It remains to be seen, of course.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:15 PM
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Neither will use their HRH. It's Henry's birthright, as opposed to legally.



According to twitter, it's Henry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Which for many royal watchers is incorrect. He's entitled, like all other non royal dukes, to be known as The Duke of Sussex.



I don't think this was ever going to be decided, or announced this early. It's not for HM to work out, which is what her announcement have been regarding. It's for the Home Office and Canadian equivalent to deal with.
In fact, since he is still a prince and is voluntarily not using the HRH , I think the most correct style would be Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex and Princess Henry, Duchess of Sussex ,.
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They actually wrote “Their Royal Highnesses”?
Someone didn’t read the Queen’s entire statement!
I guess technically they are still TRH The Duke and Duchess of Sussex until the spring. They will still perform royal duties until then per their statements.

It will stop after they launch their foundation and no longer serve.
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They are not supported financially.
They are being supported by Charles........I don't see that going over well with the public
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