The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 6: Aug. 2021- Oct. 2022

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

I think a private visit would be a good idea but how often do they do private...or if they do it is then announced via their favourite reporter.

Favorite reporter? Honestly I think people give Omid more credit than he deserves. They don't talk to him. Heck they dismissed him in their court papers. He gets all his info from twitter. I see news posted by fans and then he will retweet it after them. So yeah. He has no insight with the Sussexes. I have yet to see him drop info first.

I won't be surprised to hear they came to Windor and left. These days we only get news via their website or if some random guest of an event they attend posts about them ie the rodeo and the charity event the other day.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Hallo girl

I think a private visit would be a good idea but how often do they do private...or if they do it is then announced via their favourite reporter.

I truly hope that the couple will consider a private visit at some point in the very near future. If they stay at Windsor Castle or ClarenceHouse at least they should assured of protection.

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by ladongas

Isn’t it somewhat possible - or even likely- that threats are aimed at Meghan and the children rather than Harry? No need to state why…

Harry has stated more than once that there have been neo-Nazi threats against his wife and their children in Britain.

[Vicky7]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Harry has stated more than once that there have been neo-Nazi threats against his wife and their children in Britain.

Thats what HE says... where does HE get his information from? His fans? The Police are the experts not Harry. And idk why anyone would take his word these days he has said things that was half true or completely false and made up just to push a narrative.

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Vicky7

Thats what HE says... where does HE get his information from? His fans? The Police are the experts not Harry. And idk why anyone would take his word these days he has said things that was half true or completely false and made up just to push a narrative.

Well there are people in jail right now for threatening him and Meghan. So he not wrong. The law enforcement did their job. That said he clearly doesn’t feel safe for some reason and that’s on him to figure out.

[Osipi]

I think most everything circles back to Harry not having a clue what being a private citizen and having "freedom" meant when he made the decision to leave the royal world (the only world he's known) behind. I don't think his mindset has adjusted to the world of "private people" and he feels that his royal status should still be something he can fall back on. As in security. As in thinking that giving up the monies from the Sovereign Grant would be the only thing that affected his financial status. As in being important still on the world stage and being influential. As time passes, he's finding more and more things aren't what they pictured the life in California to be and it's a rude awakening for him.

It's a shame that he will not be there for his grandfather's service of thanksgiving and I believe he's honestly stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to returning to the UK. On the other hand, I'm glad to see him ready, willing and able to travel to the the Hague for the Invictus Games. Those games mean so very much to him and they're one of the huge successes Harry did have. It's something to hold onto tightly.

[stellam]

As Harry is the grandson of a Reigning Monarch, son of a future King, even though he is no longer a working member of the family, will he still get Diplomatic Immunity therefore he will have a security detail? Just asking.

Being at the Memorial Service there should be enough security detail so he should be quite safe.

[Vicky7]

Originally Posted by stellam

As Harry is the grandson of a Reigning Monarch, son of a future King, even though he is no longer a working member of the family, will he still get Diplomatic Immunity therefore he will have a security detail? Just asking.

Being at the Memorial Service there should be enough security detail so he should be quite safe.

No he doesnt have diplomatic immunity.

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by stellam

As Harry is the grandson of a Reigning Monarch, son of a future King, even though he is no longer a working member of the family, will he still get Diplomatic Immunity therefore he will have a security detail? Just asking.

Being at the Memorial Service there should be enough security detail so he should be quite safe.

Harry has never had Diplomatic Immunity. He had diplomatic status when he visited a country on an official visit on behalf of The Queen e.g. when he and Meghan visited Australia in 2018 but neither of them had Diplomatic Immunity.

Diplomatic Immunity applies to people at High Commissions and Embassies for the most part and not even all of those workers have it. It doesn't entitle anyone to security.

Security is determined on the perceived threat to the person e.g. if the Metropolitan Police believed that Harry needed 24/7 security he would get it but as at least two of the Queen's own children, don't have 24/7 security any more (Edward and Anne - Andrew is a different case due to some direct threats being made against him). Being the child of a future monarch is no reason to have a full security team when being the child of the present monarch doesn't warrant such a level of protection.

[AC21091968]

Whist security is one of the causes that contributes to Harry not attending The Thanksgiving Service, but I do think there are other factors. Since The Service will be attended by members of The Royal Families around the world, the Met Police will be present for security. I guess Harry wants 24 hours private protection not just attending public duties, but then again if he stayed at The Crown Estate or Royal Family's private properties, he will be protected on estate ground.

What struck me is the statement that Harry "hope to visit the Queen as soon as possible", but does not mention other members of The Royal Family, specifically Charles and William. Perhaps the fall-out/conflict has not ended and they are not on good terms (apart from Eugenie). I could even go further that it could be the recent lawsuit against the Home Office or Harry may not be well received by the British public (due to the lawsuit or past events post 2020) that made him not wanting to come. Again, these are my thoughts and may sound speculative.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Harry has stated more than once that there have been neo-Nazi threats against his wife and their children in Britain.

And the Home Office or the Metropolitan Police have made it clear that, if there were credible neo-Nazi threats against Harry's wife and their children in Britain, they would get state protection. So I don't see Harry's point in this case.

[A-Bik]

Originally Posted by ACO

Favorite reporter? Honestly I think people give Omid more credit than he deserves. They don't talk to him. Heck they dismissed him in their court papers. He gets all his info from twitter. I see news posted by fans and then he will retweet it after them. So yeah. He has no insight with the Sussexes. I have yet to see him drop info first.

I won't be surprised to hear they came to Windor and left. These days we only get news via their website or if some random guest of an event they attend posts about them ie the rodeo and the charity event the other day.

Especially since ALL the BRF members have their own favoured reporters.

I feel Harry - and Harry alone- should pay a private visit(s) to the Queen after Invictus games.
It's best for all parties that way.
And I agree that the Sussexes won't be at the Jubilee. Also probably for the best.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by AC21091968

Whist security is one of the causes that contributes to Harry not attending The Thanksgiving Service, but I do think there are other factors. Since The Service will be attended by members of The Royal Families around the world, the Met Police will be present for security. I guess Harry wants 24 hours private protection not just attending public duties, but then again if he stayed at The Crown Estate or Royal Family's private properties, he will be protected on estate ground.

Whilst staying at a royal residence or the Service of Thanksgiving, Harry would be protected as he will be with members of the family that are protected. To the extent if her were to venture out with a member of the family, he would not be afforded protection by the state. To me it is clear that if Harry really wanted to make the trip to visit family and attend the Service of Thanksgiving, there is no problem.

Originally Posted by AC21091968

What struck me is the statement that Harry "hope to visit the Queen as soon as possible", but does not mention other members of The Royal Family, specifically Charles and William. Perhaps the fall-out/conflict has not ended and they are not on good terms (apart from Eugenie). I could even go further that it could be the recent lawsuit against the Home Office or Harry may not be well received by the British public (due to the lawsuit or past events post 2020) that made him not wanting to come. Again, these are my thoughts and may sound speculative.

I think this is deliberate, to gather more attention, and to paint a picture of discord between C&C, W&C on the one side and H&M on the other. This is very much the narrative that H&M have been pushing since they left the UK, perhaps as a way of justifying their actions. IMO, this is deeply unedifying, and really serves no purpose in the long run.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

And the Home Office or the Metropolitan Police have made it clear that, if there were credible neo-Nazi threats against Harry's wife and their children in Britain, they would get state protection. So I don't see Harry's point in this case.

All royals get terrorist threats, even the children.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by AC21091968

Whist security is one of the causes that contributes to Harry not attending The Thanksgiving Service, but I do think there are other factors. Since The Service will be attended by members of The Royal Families around the world, the Met Police will be present for security. I guess Harry wants 24 hours private protection not just attending public duties, but then again if he stayed at The Crown Estate or Royal Family's private properties, he will be protected on estate ground.

What struck me is the statement that Harry "hope to visit the Queen as soon as possible", but does not mention other members of The Royal Family, specifically Charles and William. Perhaps the fall-out/conflict has not ended and they are not on good terms (apart from Eugenie). I could even go further that it could be the recent lawsuit against the Home Office or Harry may not be well received by the British public (due to the lawsuit or past events post 2020) that made him not wanting to come. Again, these are my thoughts and may sound speculative.

I would also assume that if the Met thought that Harry was in danger when he went out on a private visit.. if he went to one of his charities or to see a freind.. he would get protection even if he wasnt with his family. If it was a one off kind of thing, I am sure they dont wnat anything bad to happen to him.

[Granada]

It will be interesting to see what kind of Security Harry receives at in The Netherlands. Will it be The Netherlands "version" of Royal Protection Services 24-7 ? What would be the difference be, between what he will have there, versus the UK ?
Where the ONLY time he would not be under the RPO security umbrella is when He or the Sussex Family would be off for 'private visits'. Charles offered to let them stay with him and Camilla, also, a nice and considerate offer way to try to mend fences, and allay Harry's Security concerns.
Why was that so hard for the Sussex's to comprehend? They could have bent a little.....And try to establish some goodwill with the Family and Public.

The purpose of the visit was to honor The Duke of Edinburgh, Harry's beloved Grandfather. Right ?

You don't get to keep the Company Car when you quit a Job. You lose the benefits. Its just baffling, and to sue the Government over this ?

I believe there is more to the Story. And I'm afraid for the Firm it isn't going to be good.
We will be reading about motivations and back stories in Harry's upcoming book. His "truths", as Harry and Meghan see it. He didn't get paid 20 million for nothing.
I'm afraid it will be as sensational and controversial as the Oprah Interview was too.
The poor Queen, her Jubilee and Prince Philip's Memorial Service overshadowed by these two and the never ending drama.

[Fem]

Oh, poor boy who cried wolf.

Even though some time has passed, I don't think Harry understands, or can cope with losing his royal status and its perks. A state protection cannot be paid for by private individual based on a whim - can you imagine what kind of pandora box allowing Harry to do so would open in the UK? Every person who can afford that would be able to make the same request.

The process of analyzing threats and organizing state security is not something we know much of - mostly because it could be dangerous for the officers and protected person. But I have no doubts that if there was any valid threat against Harry or his family, they would be given the appropriate protection they need.

The question now is if the level of protection the Scotland Yard decided is appropriate is the same Harry thinks is needed. Me thinks not. But his PR people trying to spin a very complicated issue to "he can't visit his family because he will not be safe" is ridiculous, especially when he was photographed in LA not that long ago. That apparently was not a security risk and not a problem, since no one was sued and no statement was released.

I'm thinking Harry has more issues with UK itself than with security.

[Claire]

Personally I feel this is more about pride and ego then anything.

[Vicky7]

Someone explain to me IN TERMS OF SECURITY the difference between visiting the queen "privately" and going to the church service and jubilee event. Im assuming if harry visits the queen in "private" he will not get government security but only his personal security. So why is it he "plans to visit the queen privately" but cant come to the church service or jubilee event because of "security" reasons. By the way his lawyer said he wants to visit the uk because its his home but cant cause its unsafe. Now he says he will visit the queen privately. So which is it safe or dangerous? The boy doesnt make any sense.

[Alison H]

Nobody really cares about Harry any more. The situation in Ukraine dominates the news, together with knock-on effects such as increases in petrol prices and the issues regarding Chelsea FC. Covid's still around. Sports stories - the Test match in the West Indies, the Six Nations, the football season - are also big news. Harry just isn't, most of the time. I think he overestimates his own importance in people's minds. But I think his decision not to attend the memorial service is being seen as disrespectful to his grandfather.

Unfortunately, threats are issued all the time, to all manner of people. Social media makes it all too easy. A footballer who's seen as making a mistake that costs his team an important match can expect death threats. Judges on Strictly Come Dancing have had death threats from people upset that their favourites were voted out. I'm sure it's horrific for those concerned, but it's now commonplace.