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How did the Earl and Countess of Wessex poll?
How did the Earl and Countess of Wessex poll?
Such a pity they were not included in the poll.Yes, indeed. Unfortunately, they were not included.
Based on the YouGov-poll I made an overview taking into account both the asset and the liability-percentages.
You will find: asset 2012/asset 2020 & liability 2012/liability 2020 (change (incorporating both the change in asset and in liability)) [approval rating calculated by subtracting the liability percentage from the asset percentage]
Elizabeth: 86/81 & 3/7 (-9%) [74% approval]
William: 86/79 & 3/7 (-11%) [72% approval]
Catherine: 81/76 & 5/8 (-8%) [68% approval]
Anne: 54/56 & 10/9 (+3%) [47% approval]
Charles: 55/54 & 18/19 (-2%) [35% approval]
Philip: 58/42 & 20/29 (-27%) [13% approval]
Camilla: 24/31 & 32/24 (+15%) [7% approval]
Harry: 75/37 & 9/38 (-67%) [1% disapproval]
Meghan: /24 & /51 [27% disapproval]
Andrew: 20/4 & 44/80 (-52%) [76% disapproval]
Some observations: while Camilla is still not really loved by the people previously she changed most for the better (+15%); Anne was the other one in the family improving slightly (+3%). Both Harry and Andrew plummeted (Harry -67% and Andrew (-52%). Meghan is new in the list but has about twice as many people that see her as a liability than those seeing her as an asset. Harry, Meghan and Andrew are all seen as more of a liability than an asset (in Harry's case his asset and liability ratings are very similar but he ended up just in the disapproval range).
I disagree that my information is factually incorrect.I'm afraid that's factually incorrect. As you specifically mentioned the YouGov-poll: In 2012 the royals that had the highest percentages of being an asset to the monarchy were:
1. The Queen & The Duke of Cambridge (86%) (3% liability)
3. The Duchess of Cambridge (81%) (5% liability)
Harry came after these three at 75% asset and 9% liability.
And about him being above numerous other royals in the current YouGov poll: He is only above his wife Meghan who also left and his uncle Andrew who was kicked out. Even the relatively unpopular Duchess of Cornwall passed him in the polls if we combine asset and liability percentages - see for example my post the appropriate topic.
Sorry waht year is that poll that youve linked?I disagree that my information is factually incorrect.
We are referring to different yougov polls. The poll you are citing is a poll that was put out in 2012 and then again in 2020. There are other polls that are published more frequently. The yougov poll I am citing, in terms of overall popularity, Harry outranks Charles, Camilla, Anne, the Wessexes and other royals (link).
I will edit my comment that Harry consistently tops the yougov poll because of the different polls and when they publish new polls, they overwrite previous polls.
I disagree that my information is factually incorrect.
We are referring to different yougov polls. The poll you are citing is a poll that was put out in 2012 and then again in 2020. There are other polls that are published more frequently. The yougov poll I am citing, in terms of overall popularity, Harry outranks Charles, Camilla, Anne, the Wessexes and other royals (link).
I will edit my comment that Harry consistently tops the yougov poll because of the different polls and when they publish new polls, they overwrite previous polls.
2020Sorry waht year is that poll that youve linked?
What I stated was that in the not too distant past, Harry, William and The Queen were neck and neck to be the most popular royal but in recent polling Harry is no longer shares that neck and neck position for the top spot and that I doubt if he will ever reclaim that position but he is still above numerous other royals.Thanks, although 'tops the polls' to me would not suggest he was nr 4 but that he was nr 1 - and 'neck and neck' in popularity with the queen and William while he is 20% behind the queen and 11% behind William doesn't seem accurate either. Nonetheless, he might have been at some point - but I would like to see the various YouGov poll results that support that claim.
So, it is clear that in the so far mentioned polls, including the latest 'popularity poll' you linked, the Queen (74%) and William and Catherine (65%) are most popular and valued. In the past Harry sat in 4th place (followed closely by his aunt Anne, his father Charles and his grandfather Philip - all around 50% (+/-4%)). But indeed previously he was more popular than several of his lesser-known family members such as the earl and countess of Wessex and his cousins Beatrice and Eugenie (Andrew consistently sits at the bottom as I guess he has for several years now). However, recently Harry saw a huge drop in popularity as can be seen in the most recent YouGov poll (but not yet in the poll you quoted that isn't dated)
Edit: it seems the popularity YouGov-poll includes data that are collected over a year, so especially when so much is happening that might change opinions on certain members of the family it might not fully be reflected - so it is not unlikely that Harry scored a bit higher previously and that this 54% he lands on now is partly due to previously being more popular and currently being relatively unpopular as we saw with the June poll data. So, it would all depend on when how many data points were collected over the last year.
Including data from 2019 & 2020.2020
Currently, the group that sees him as a liability is slightly greater than the group that thinks he is an asset. And I don't think he is at the bottom yet...The overall context was a discussion around if Harry and Meghan had fallen out of favor to the degree that there would be opposition by the British public to them resuming royal duties.
But as Queen Claude noted, the couple perform relatively well in the popularity polling even as their ratings are relatively low in the liability poll. A respondent viewing a royal as a liability to the monarchy does not automatically imply viewing them as unlikeable, especially as Britons are not undivided on the value of the monarchy. For some of those who would prefer the monarchy to give way to a republic, being a liability to the monarchy may very well be an added reason to like, not dislike, a royal.
Thanks, that's helpful!Here is a YouGov poll from August 2019, in which Harry is second behind the Queen but ahead of both William and Kate.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/s...h-prince-harry-most-popular-royals-poll-2019/
Another one from YouGov from 2018, in which Harry just pips the Queen for top spot.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/11/prince-harry-most-popular-royal
This diarrhoea of popularity polls on individual members of the royal family (including even somone as Mrs Michael Tindall) still does not give the answer on the topic of this thread: support for the monarchy in the UK.
Unpopular opinion, but I think a boring royal makes a better Monarch than a fun or glamorous royal. Just look at the state of the various heirs and spares in the BRF, while the spares tend to be more fun, glamorous and popular, they are also more prone to scandals than the boring heirs.
Like the 'glamorous' Edward VIII and Bertie the Duke of York? Edward VII and Edward VIII were mired in scandals in their day, while their siblings by and large settled down to fairly humdrum lives, in Britain and abroad. None of George V's surviving siblings were ever caught up in anything untoward, and Prince Charles has himself not been immune to controversy and scandal over the years.
Plus, it's not unknown for a popular and admired monarch to slide into disrepute in later years. Look at the current Spanish situation with Juan Carlos, who was considered a model of probity for decades.
But there's a case for saying that Andrew is himself an exception to the rule. I pointed out some exceptions in my previous post. And what did Princess Margaret, one time spare to the Queen do that was so horrendous?
While she was certainly considered glamorous she wanted to marry a divorcee, and then made the decision to give him up. She had a terrible marriage which certainly wasn't all her fault and when the marriage was a shell was seen holidaying with a young lover. Her estranged husband had several affairs so any clutching of pearls there by onlookers was more than a bit ridiculous.
I think when the Queen dies the BRF won't last long. In a lot of peoples eyes the Queen IS the British Monarchy and no one coming behind her has a lot of support. I think already that most people in the UK have no great interest in the royals and think of Kings and Queens in the 21st century as a joke but the boat won't be rocked in her lifetime.