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Old 02-17-2021, 09:49 AM
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Harry will remain Charles's son and William's brother for as long as he lives, as Joe Little of Majesty Magazine put it, Harry remains 'indelibly Royal'. And wherever he lives he will be a King's son and the next King's only brother, with everything that brings with it, including within the US.

The next reign will bring Harry closer to the Throne as the only other son of King Charles, not further away from it, a forgotten Royal on the side, as many here would like it.
Margaret was the only other daughter of King George VI and only sibling of Queen Elizabeth II. She was, at one point, 2nd in line to the throne, closer than Harry.

Anne and Andrew were also, at one point, 2nd in line to the throne. They are children of a monarch and sibling of future monarch.

Just saying ....
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:03 AM
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Margaret was the only other daughter of King George VI and only sibling of Queen Elizabeth II. She was, at one point, 2nd in line to the throne, closer than Harry.

Anne and Andrew were also, at one point, 2nd in line to the throne. They are children of a monarch and sibling of future monarch.

Just saying ....

Very well said !

The Crown, all its faults notwithstanding, actually does a pretty good job showing how Margaret had to come to terms with being downgraded from a senior royal as Charles and his siblings became adults.

I suspect Harry and Meghan will remain celebs in the US for quite a long time though no matter what. At least until people start to turn their attention to George's future wife or Charlotte's boyfriends, which is still way into the future. The fact that Meghan and her children are American and will live in the US certainly helps her to keep being noticed in the US media.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:39 AM
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Mark Borkowski (PR guru) did an interview with Mike Graham on Talkradio on the Harry & Meghan's future especially on their interview with Oprah. Unlike royal correspondent, Mark Borkowski is focus more on media aspect, particularly in America. I understand that Mike Graham and other radio hosts on Talkradio have been extremely critical of Harry and Meghan, so please ignore the title of the Youtube video.



The most interesting observation here is towards the end when Borkowski makes the point that (in general) Americans & Britons look at the issue of the Sussexes & this upcoming interview through different lenses.

Which is not really surprising especially if you're a royalist, loyal to & respectful of the idea of a representative royal family. If you consider it an important part of your national identity & culture its inevitable you'll see things in a different light to someone who might consider (however respectfully) members of the royal family as being essentially the same as celebrities.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:41 AM
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Harry and Megan have multimillion-dollar entertainment contracts. It was inevitable that they were going to do big U.S. media interviews. This is just the first of many. If they want to build a brand, they need to be promoting their 'product', and they are the product. I'm sure they both knew this when they launched their website last January. And I think the Queen, Charles & William knew this too. I'm sure both sides even knew it would be a sit-down with Oprah.

Oprah wants big ratings. She and Gayle are going to promote this as a 'no holds barred interview' because of this- that's how to maximize ratings. But she isn't a hard-nosed journalist, and she will want future interviews and exclusives from the Sussexes, so the majority of the interview will be focused on social media and tabloid culture toxicity, and a little bit about her miscarriage earlier this year.

I do predict a few questions (and answers) pointing fingers more at nebulous 'palace insiders'. Maybe even a few "the monarchy refused to", and "the monarchy would not" types of questions and answers, especially about being the first POC in the British monarchy, and I expect both Oprah and Megan to try to tie that to the BLM movement in America, as a part of a larger platform that Megan is building. I also expect the Harry portion to include a lot of fanfare about his success with Sentebale and Invictus Games.

I really doubt either Megan or Harry will criticize specific royals. There will be a very generic statement from Harry that goes like "I will always love my father and grandmother, but as a father, I have to fight for what is right and protect my wife."

In the long run, it's going to be a relief for William and Charles to get this over with, and maybe Harry too. It can't be worse than Scobie's book, and they all weathered that storm. If it is really bad, I don't think the Sussexes will be welcome at Phillip's 100th birthday party, but that's likely the only consequence at risk.

(Personally, I don't think the Queen or Charles will ever remove their dukedom, no matter what they do. Peerages are supposed to be for life, not based on popularity, which I imagine the royal family is particularly cognizant of. I think the only bargaining chip the monarchy has left is removing their "HRH", but I don't think that would happen either unless Charles eventually elects to do a complete overhaul when he is King [similar to the Swedish monarchy-and he really should], or Megan runs for political office. I don't think she will.)
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Old 02-17-2021, 07:54 PM
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Harry and Megan have multimillion-dollar entertainment contracts. It was inevitable that they were going to do big U.S. media interviews. This is just the first of many. If they want to build a brand, they need to be promoting their 'product', and they are the product. I'm sure they both knew this when they launched their website last January. And I think the Queen, Charles & William knew this too. I'm sure both sides even knew it would be a sit-down with Oprah.

Oprah wants big ratings. She and Gayle are going to promote this as a 'no holds barred interview' because of this- that's how to maximize ratings. But she isn't a hard-nosed journalist, and she will want future interviews and exclusives from the Sussexes, so the majority of the interview will be focused on social media and tabloid culture toxicity, and a little bit about her miscarriage earlier this year.

I do predict a few questions (and answers) pointing fingers more at nebulous 'palace insiders'. Maybe even a few "the monarchy refused to", and "the monarchy would not" types of questions and answers, especially about being the first POC in the British monarchy, and I expect both Oprah and Megan to try to tie that to the BLM movement in America, as a part of a larger platform that Megan is building. I also expect the Harry portion to include a lot of fanfare about his success with Sentebale and Invictus Games.

I really doubt either Megan or Harry will criticize specific royals. There will be a very generic statement from Harry that goes like "I will always love my father and grandmother, but as a father, I have to fight for what is right and protect my wife."

In the long run, it's going to be a relief for William and Charles to get this over with, and maybe Harry too. It can't be worse than Scobie's book, and they all weathered that storm. If it is really bad, I don't think the Sussexes will be welcome at Phillip's 100th birthday party, but that's likely the only consequence at risk.

(Personally, I don't think the Queen or Charles will ever remove their dukedom, no matter what they do. Peerages are supposed to be for life, not based on popularity, which I imagine the royal family is particularly cognizant of. I think the only bargaining chip the monarchy has left is removing their "HRH", but I don't think that would happen either unless Charles eventually elects to do a complete overhaul when he is King [similar to the Swedish monarchy-and he really should], or Megan runs for political office. I don't think she will.)



Both Meghan and Harry denied having any part in Scoobie's book. They can't deny having any part in an interview in which they participated. And if it's really bad I would expect worse than being cut off from Phillip's birthday party.
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Old 02-17-2021, 08:08 PM
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Margaret was the only other daughter of King George VI and only sibling of Queen Elizabeth II. She was, at one point, 2nd in line to the throne, closer than Harry.

Anne and Andrew were also, at one point, 2nd in line to the throne. They are children of a monarch and sibling of future monarch.

Just saying ....
The Queen married very young and produced children young, pushing Margaret down in the succession in her teens. That wasn't William's choice. Queen Elizabeth had four children, Charles has only two. Having three siblings is self-evidently very different from having only one. And Anne was in the position from birth of being pushed down the line of succession when her mother had other sons, which in fact happened when Andrew, then Edward were born. She was eleven when Andrew was born.

When Charles is King, Harry will be a monarch's son and will move up one place. He will only start to go down in the succession when Charlotte and George have children. That could well be twenty years or more. It may 25 years before Louis begins a family. Harry is not likely to disappear into the woodwork in the next two decades.
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Old 02-17-2021, 08:16 PM
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Both Meghan and Harry denied having any part in Scoobie's book. They can't deny having any part in an interview in which they participated. And if it's really bad I would expect worse than being cut off from Phillip's birthday party.
In the court case they admitted to providing information to the authors through a third trusted person.
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Old 02-17-2021, 08:46 PM
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The most interesting observation here is towards the end when Borkowski makes the point that (in general) Americans & Britons look at the issue of the Sussexes & this upcoming interview through different lenses.

Which is not really surprising especially if you're a royalist, loyal to & respectful of the idea of a representative royal family. If you consider it an important part of your national identity & culture its inevitable you'll see things in a different light to someone who might consider (however respectfully) members of the royal family as being essentially the same as celebrities.

It certainly isn't surprising that Americans and British people view the BRF through different lenses. However, there are plenty of Britons who also regard the Royal Family as rather irrelevant figures who add nothing to their lives and very little to the national picture, including an increasing number of the young.

And considering how Mike Graham and TalkRadio talking heads as well as the tabloid media, 'Royal experts' and commentators make a great deal of noise and money talking about the Sussexes in negative terms they had all better hope that the couple don't disappear into obscurity in the near future!
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:16 PM
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It certainly isn't surprising that Americans and British people view the BRF through different lenses. However, there are plenty of Britons who also regard the Royal Family as rather irrelevant figures who add nothing to their lives and very little to the national picture, including an increasing number of the young.

And considering how Mike Graham and TalkRadio talking heads as well as the tabloid media, 'Royal experts' and commentators make a great deal of noise and money talking about the Sussexes in negative terms they had all better hope that the couple don't disappear into obscurity in the near future!
Kevin Maguire (Associate Editor of the Daily Mirror and a left-wing republican) actually said in a Good Morning Britain (ITV) interview with hosts Ben Shephard and Kate Garraway that Harry & Meghan's Oprah interview is "doing everything for the republican cause". In his segment, he also made multiple dig at the royal family though most of them were directed at Harry and Meghan.

Also in the panel were Chris Ship (ITV's royal correspondent) [first segment] and Andrew Pierces (Daily Mail columnist and Consultant Editor) [third segment]. Kevin Maguire and Andrew Pierces often appear together in morning political programmes including paper reviews.

Ben Shephard first introduced and asked questions to Kevin Maguire at 3:34. Kevin's response starts at 4:16
https://youtu.be/tABJLd2cvuA?t=214

Last week, Mike Graham was actually criticising Mike Tindall for using the furlough scheme with other TalkRadio host retweeting them as well. The Royal experts and reporters (Victoria Murphy, Victoria Arbiter, Dickie Arbiter, Chris Ship, Roya Nikkhah, Camilla Tominey, Rhiannon Mills...) also mentioned about other members of the Royal Family whether if it's about engagements, patronages, causes or breaking news. Last year, there were criticism from these royal correspondents on The Cambridges and Wessexes in the Sandringham light show. And let's not forget Omid Scobie pushing the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester under the bus on twitter in order to make Harry & Meghan's Frogmore Cottage renovation look good or even equating The Queen's address on Welsh Assembly to getting involved in politics when Harry & Meghan spoke about the US election. So it's not just about Harry and Meghan in a negative light.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:23 PM
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The Queen married very young and produced children young, pushing Margaret down in the succession in her teens. That wasn't William's choice. Queen Elizabeth had four children, Charles has only two. Having three siblings is self-evidently very different from having only one. And Anne was in the position from birth of being pushed down the line of succession when her mother had other sons, which in fact happened when Andrew, then Edward were born. She was eleven when Andrew was born.

When Charles is King, Harry will be a monarch's son and will move up one place. He will only start to go down in the succession when Charlotte and George have children. That could well be twenty years or more. It may 25 years before Louis begins a family. Harry is not likely to disappear into the woodwork in the next two decades.
Well, I'm pretty sure Margaret moved up from 4th in line to 3rd in line to the throne when King George VI died, in fact if we count from her birth she moved up three times: from 4th to 3rd following George V death, from 3rd to from 2nd upon Edward VIII abdication, and from 4th to 3rd on Elizabeth II ascension. And by that point, she's the only sibling of the monarch whilst the queen's 2 children still practically toddler (hence cousins joining in).

When Charles becomes king, Harry will move up from 5th to 4th (so does everyone below him will also move up 1 place). And Charles also still has 2 siblings (+spouse) on his side (I don't count Andrew), his heir is an adult (+ spouse) with children approaching teens.

I'm not saying Harry will disappear into the woodwork, he will always be Charles' son and William's brother (and George's uncle and so on), but I just don't see the purpose of this argument.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:09 PM
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My original post was in reply to observations from posters upthread that somehow Harry is semi-Royal or a minor Royal now and will soon be disappearing soon down the line of succession and be forgotten.

Prince George is nearly eight and Charlotte will be six this year. That is hardly 'approaching their teens'. They also have years of privacy through their schooling to come, tertiary education and then for George perhaps a stint in the services. Neither will IMO be producing children at twenty.

Margaret was fourth in line of succession at birth, and then second until Charles was born. She was by all accounts an extremely unhappy person later in life, not least due to going down in the line of succession but still on the Royal rota of dutiful engagements.

It was that sort of life that Harry and Meghan wished to avoid, and they've done so, but denigrating Harry's future position in the BRF as being some sort of minor Royal when he will be one of only two sons of the monarch is obviously incorrect.

And in future I hope very much that spares like Charlotte and Louis take the Continental route, have careers, opt out of official Royal life and follow their own star.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:45 AM
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Taking away Harry's HRH and removing him and his children from the line could very well happen. I am just curious if they are willing to open that can of worms though because no doubt once you do then the questions of others will arise...



I think this will only happen if things get really ugly - like if they start airing out dirty laundry on the royal family. If backed into a corner they'd do this. But I don't see them backed into a corner.


It looks like the first hour of the interview is just going to be Meghan and Oprah. Then the second half Harry is going to show up and talk about his charities.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:48 AM
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The House of Windsor is bigger than these 2 ... they may or they may not be worried but from the outsider observation MM was treated fairly and with the care that other Royal fiancees had not been. MM had wanted out from the start right or wrong I don't know but if the reports that they had sidelined the Queen are true then NOT FINE IMO. This was always on the cards and whether Americans who love this sort of thing still drink from the softy feelie cup ... only time will tell and of course there is a younger audience now who still have not woken up. BUT they have to keep making money money money... I think anyone with half a brain can see that. I am still to find someone where I live who watched Suits so without Harry she was no one ... Harry hasn't got much going for him in the area of the little grey cells so without her he is paralysed ... this is of course only IMO
Americans love this stuff the tears of an actress to the rest of us are just that ... but let's see and really hope that they are not stupid enough to try and make cruel suggestions about the Queen ... I think MM needs to open her won wardrobe first and check our her family before commencing on others.
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Old 02-18-2021, 11:43 AM
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The House of Windsor is bigger than these 2 ... they may or they may not be worried but from the outsider observation MM was treated fairly and with the care that other Royal fiancees had not been. MM had wanted out from the start right or wrong I don't know but if the reports that they had sidelined the Queen are true then NOT FINE IMO. This was always on the cards and whether Americans who love this sort of thing still drink from the softy feelie cup ... only time will tell and of course there is a younger audience now who still have not woken up. BUT they have to keep making money money money... I think anyone with half a brain can see that. I am still to find someone where I live who watched Suits so without Harry she was no one ... Harry hasn't got much going for him in the area of the little grey cells so without her he is paralysed ... this is of course only IMO
Americans love this stuff the tears of an actress to the rest of us are just that ... but let's see and really hope that they are not stupid enough to try and make cruel suggestions about the Queen ... I think MM needs to open her won wardrobe first and check our her family before commencing on others.
We live in an entirely different world now. The Windsors were bigger and more influential 20 years ago but not as much anymore. Also taking his title away when Andrew still has his is imo pathetic.
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:14 PM
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We live in an entirely different world now. The Windsors were bigger and more influential 20 years ago but not as much anymore. Also taking his title away when Andrew still has his is imo pathetic.

To be fair, Andrew didn't attack the BRF, didn't live in the US and didn't plan to be a Hollywood celebrity.
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:15 PM
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The House of Windsor is bigger than these 2 ... they may or they may not be worried but from the outsider observation MM was treated fairly and with the care that other Royal fiancees had not been. MM had wanted out from the start right or wrong I don't know but if the reports that they had sidelined the Queen are true then NOT FINE IMO. This was always on the cards and whether Americans who love this sort of thing still drink from the softy feelie cup ... only time will tell and of course there is a younger audience now who still have not woken up. BUT they have to keep making money money money... I think anyone with half a brain can see that. I am still to find someone where I live who watched Suits so without Harry she was no one ... Harry hasn't got much going for him in the area of the little grey cells so without her he is paralysed ... this is of course only IMO
Americans love this stuff the tears of an actress to the rest of us are just that ... but let's see and really hope that they are not stupid enough to try and make cruel suggestions about the Queen ... I think MM needs to open her won wardrobe first and check our her family before commencing on others.
i think its pretty obvious that Meghan has jettisoned her family apart from her mohter.. They're not going to attack the queen.. they may need to go back some day though I dont think they will...
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:39 PM
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To be fair, Andrew didn't attack the BRF, didn't live in the US and didn't plan to be a Hollywood celebrity.
He did injure the BRF, and he did live it up in the US, and he probably didn’t plan to be a tabloid celebrity!
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:43 PM
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i think its pretty obvious that Meghan has jettisoned her family apart from her mohter.. They're not going to attack the queen.. they may need to go back some day though I dont think they will...
I think she and Harry tried to get through to Mr Markle but he started going to the media repeatedly...

I think the Oprah interview won't be controversial, just talking perhaps about how they met (some repeating of what was said in the engagement interview), their charity interests, Archie and his becoming a big brother soon, plans for Netflix documentaries and so on. There could be talk of the dedication of the statue for their mother. And of course COVID may be discussed.
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:44 PM
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To be fair, Andrew didn't attack the BRF, didn't live in the US and didn't plan to be a Hollywood celebrity.
He's a born prince at the end of the day he really didn't do anything bad. Taking the title away from Harry is just going to open a can of worms none of them want to open.
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:49 PM
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He did injure the BRF, and he did live it up in the US, and he probably didn’t plan to be a tabloid celebrity!
his behaviour was appalling and he's rightly retired from royal duties.. But Harry's behavior while nothing like as bad.. is going ot go on and on. He will be still in the US in later years and probably there will still be a tension between him and Wiliam... but probably feelings will cool over time and they'll just shrug him off and ignore him....
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