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Old 06-14-2019, 04:00 PM
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Wasn't Denmark the first country to recognise independent Estonia? I seem to remember footage of The Queen receiving Estonian officials at Fredensborg in a documentary some time ago?
That's correct.
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Old 06-15-2019, 02:24 AM
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Today is Valdemars Day. The official birthday of Dannebrog.

According to legend Dannebrog fell from the sky during a critical point during a battle outside Tallinn in Estonia on this day in 1219, with a message from above saying that if you (the Danes) raise this banner you'll win.
We did and Dannebrog became the national symbol ever after.

What is today the Baltic countries and Poland were heathen (and pretty well developed) nations around 1200, and since Jerusalem is far from Northern Europe even on bicycle someone came up with the great idea to Christen these nations, whether they wanted to or not.
The Church agreed. Poland and the Baltic countries are just around the corner from Northern Europe and it's better European knights fight and win glory there, than fighting among themselves, so crusades were formed and the Baltic countries invaded.
That the local kings, not least the Danish and Swedish had a considerable interest in expanding their territory to the east with ultimate goal of gaining control over the Baltic Sea wasn't said out loud...
Anyway, Sweden crusaded in Finland (mainly). Denmark colonized, I mean crusaded in Estonia. A semi-religious order, The Sword Brethren, crusaded in Latvia and Lithuania and the Teutonic Knights (a religious warrior-order, based on the Templars) crusaded in Poland.
These "colonists" were relatively few, but they formed the core of the annual "winter crusades". (In that part of Europe there was no infrastructure. No roads, so you moved via the rivers. and during winters these rivers froze making the rivers highways.) Elsewhere in Europe the campaigning season lasted from harvest in the late summer until late autumn.
In wintertime, nothing really happened, so many European knights and men at arms, thought why not go to the east on a crusade there? Win some glory and meet up with the lads and have a merry time and return home in the early spring? Great idea! Said the church. You go slay some heathens and earn brownie points for God and should you die you'll go to Heaven.
So it was an extremely cheap way to conduct crusades.
The warrior monks only needed equipment and upkeep and foreign "tourist-crusaders" returned home.
But in Estonia where Denmark, as a nation, tried to colonize and settle, it was another matter. It was simply too expensive and having to fight constantly in order to keep your fief wasn't exactly that attractive to colonists and Danish knights, so Estonia was eventually handed over to the The Sword Brethren. But they too lacked the means to control the Baltic countries, so that order was amalgamated with the Teutonic Knights. Not that it helped much, the Baltic countries were still difficult to control. Not least since they received active support from Novgorod, who were not that interested in having religious fanatics as neighbors and it would be much better if Novgorod had a better access to the lucrative trade in the Baltic by controlling the Baltic countries.

That was the political and historical background, so back to Dannebrog.
As you can imagine with loads of crusader-tourists around there was a myriad of banners around too! Many of them with a cross. In fact Dannebrog looks suspiciously like the Hospitaller Banner. Another religious warrior-order. They visited each other from time to time, even though they were competitors.
But the symbol of the cross was common. In fact it appears of Danish coins prior to 1219. So somehow, during the period Dannebrog was adopted as the official symbol for Denmark, to be used by the Danish king, his ships and his men. (Both as their banner but also painted on their shields.) There are even suggestions that Dannebrog was adopted as early as 1208.
What is certain is that in a Dutch book from the 1370's Dannebrog is shown and named Dannebrog = the flag of the Danes. And a reference from the 1400's refers to Dannebrog being an old symbol by then.
However, the legend of Dannebrog falling from the sky, became popular by the 1590's.
The first Danneborgs were square, a cavalry-standard rather than a rectangular flag, and even though it contained a cross it hadn't evolved into the modern "cross-banner" that (inspired by Dannebrog) spread all across Northern Europa from around 15-1600. Sweden, Cornwall and later on Norway, Finland etc.
The first Dannebrog was embarrassingly lost in 1500 in a battle in a marshy area south of the now Danish-German border. The Danish king was actually not supposed to have brought it into battle as he acted as the Duke of Schleswig and Holstein in that campaign. - It is hardly likely to have been the very first Danneborg though! Three hundred years old, subjected to moths and sunlight? Nah. More likely it was the official Danneborg used only by the king.)
Anyway, Dannebrog became more rectangular, being mainly used by ships. As well as armies. But Danish ships were all over the place, we were a very well-developed trading nation by the late medieval age, so Dannebrog became a well-known symbol.
But it was still a symbol only to used by the ships and men of the Danish king.
That changed totally during the First Schleswigan War 1848-51. That national feelings focused on that one symbol everybody knew, Dannebrog.
And it's from this period most of the many, many, rituals surrounding Dannebrog arose.
Although the most well-known, that Dannebrog must never fly in darkness, is probably late medieval. It's a celebration of the Devil to fly Dannebrog in darkness. The same thing goes with Dannebrog must never hang with the T of the cross hanging upside down, that is also a celebration of the Devil.
But another strictly adhered to ritual, that Dannebrog must never touch the ground probably predates the flag itself.
The ritual of discarding a worn out Dannebrog by burning it on a clean fire, was common practice in military units in the 1400's.
The same thing applies to Dannebrog must always go to the top before being lowered to half mast. And when flying from half mast the flag must always go to the top before being lowered.

Today there is an official Dannebrog. Rigsflaget = The Flag of the Realm. That is raised every morning, to the sound of a gun-salute, at Battery Sixtus, in the navy base in Copenhagen. Visible BTW from Amalienborg.
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:25 AM
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Thanks Muhler!!! for the informations!

Queen Margrethe arrives soon to Estonia!

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByuFj0oA7wB/

http://kongehuset.dk/foto-video/offi...-estland-dag-1

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https://www.rexfeatures.com/set/10311083

Videos

https://www.facebook.com/detdanskeko...055594484/?t=3

https://www.facebook.com/detdanskeko...581669799/?t=5

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https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...ngen-i-estland
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:07 AM
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You are welcome, Eya. And QMII will get a rose garden dedicated to her in Talinn: https://jyllands-posten.dk/premium/t...ave-i-tallinn/
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:15 PM
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Here are two videos of the first day in Tallinn:


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Old 06-16-2019, 08:48 AM
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Queen Margrethe at the second day in Estonia attend an Estonian-Danish service for the 800th anniversary of the Tallinn Cathedral

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Old 06-16-2019, 08:54 AM
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Thanks, Eya. And here is a BB video of the service: https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...ingen-i-tallin
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Here's a gallery of both days in Estonia and a video of the Queen's departure:


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Old 06-16-2019, 03:57 PM
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Thanks, Iceflower.

Returning home (and presumably arriving) with DRF One. One of the Air Force Challengers. A couple of which are very much used for VIP transport.
Which also explains why Dannebrog sailed un-escorted to Estonia.
Normally a warship escort her when leaving Danish territorial water, certainly with DRF members aboard. - Or when sailing in the North Atlantic, where an escort is a very sensible precaution!
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Old 06-16-2019, 10:29 PM
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Thanks, Iceflower.

Returning home (and presumably arriving) with DRF One. One of the Air Force Challengers. A couple of which are very much used for VIP transport.
Which also explains why Dannebrog sailed un-escorted to Estonia.
Normally a warship escort her when leaving Danish territorial water, certainly with DRF members aboard. - Or when sailing in the North Atlantic, where an escort is a very sensible precaution!
thanks for pointing out yet another connection between Canada and Denmark: Challenger is designed, produced and built by Bombardier, a multinational based in Quebec.
https://businessaircraft.bombardier.com/en/about-us
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Old 06-18-2019, 04:39 PM
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Queen Margrethe visited 2nd Brigade's exercise in Oksbøl today, June 18:


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** Pic 3 **


And this evening Queen Margrethe attended the Royal Theatre's ballet performance "Royal Summer Ball" at Fredensborg Palace Garden:



** kongehuset gallery: Sommerballet i Fredensborg Slotshave **


** sn.dk gallery: Billeder: Balletdansere imponerede dronningen i smuk slotshave **

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Queen Margrethe travelled to Aarhus with the Royal Yacht Dannebrog today, June 25, to take up residence at at the family's summer residence Marselisborg Castle.


** kendte.dk gallery ** kongehuset gallery **


** aarhus.lokalavisen gallery: Se de skønne billeder: Dronning Margrethe ankommer til Aarhus med Dannebrog **
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Is the Dannebrog moored very far away from Marselisborg? Is this a usual time of year for the Queen to visit? I thought she mainly spends summers either at the Chateau near Cahors then to Graasten.
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:16 AM
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Is the Dannebrog moored very far away from Marselisborg? Is this a usual time of year for the Queen to visit? I thought she mainly spends summers either at the Chateau near Cahors then to Graasten.
Dannebrog is moored about 4 km from Marselisborg, as the crow flies. That's right next to the center of Aarhus, which is the cathedral.
Marselisborg is located to the south, but still very much inside Aarhus city. To the east is a view of first a large park, then a beach and a marina. To the north is a view over the center of Aarhus, to the south and west the manor is surrounded by a forest.
It's one of the best locations in Aarhus, in regards to location and view over the bay.
QMII always visit first Marselisborg, then Gråsten and finally Cayz.

But let us look at her arrival.
She was received by an honor guard from the various branches of the Home Guard as well as representatives of various organizations, including veterans.
When she leaves Dannebrog and just before she walks down the phalarope, she is piped off board and everyone salutes.
The mate at the end of the phalarope stand to attention with a shouldered cutlass. Normally the mate stands at ease with the cutlass worn comfortably across the torso.

There is an interesting detail you may care to notice the next time you see say Frederik, in uniform, boarding Dannebrog.
When he reach the top of the phalarope, he will first salute the flag at the stern. - There are some claims that the salute is to the quarterdeck. That may have been the case many years ago, but certainly in the Danish navy it's the flag you salute.
Then Frederik will return the salute of the honor command receiving him, while he is being piped aboard.

Another detail you may like to notice another time is that in the navy the highest ranking enter the boat as the last, but leave the boat as the first.
On other words: QMII is the last to enter the chaluppe from Dannebrog. But when the chaluppe returns to Dannebrog, she is the first to leave. - Unless there are grandchildren around...

- And for your general information. I'm a little behind in regards to writing summaries from last weeks issue of BB. I will, because it's interesting, but right now I'm on semi-holiday. And the weather is great! So...
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article and video
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...gelse-i-aarhus

thanks for the extra info Muhler, Frederik in uniform on the Dannebrog is always a nice sight : D
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Thanks for that Muhler. Do you realise that - I - and possibly we on these boards are learning a heck of a lot about Danish History because of your wonderful detailed posts. Denmark has a rich history which also opens our minds to other places/countries as well.
Before Mary married her Viking Prince Frederik I knew nothing about Denmark nor about your wonderful Royal family. (Except that visiting the little mermaid was on every tourists wish list.) Now I have a deep love and respect for Queen Margrethe and her sister Princess Benedikte.
I have also learnt a fair bit about the family from King Christain IX and Queen Louise and their wonderful family down through the generations.

Enjoy the warm weather and your holiday.
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Looks like she'll have to make her way back to Copenhagen tomorrow to receive Denmark's new PM
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:25 AM
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Looks like she'll have to make her way back to Copenhagen tomorrow to receive Denmark's new PM
And lets hope Muhler gives his views of Denmark's youngest ever PM, once the weather turns and he has enough of well earned leisure.
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:59 AM
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And lets hope Muhler gives his views of Denmark's youngest ever PM, once the weather turns and he has enough of well earned leisure.
Well, if you needn't wait for views on her if you're curious She's intelligent, responsible and strong. Alone the fact that she has managed to get the furthest left party in the parliament and the Social Liberals to agree to a deal they're both satisfied with speaks volumes of her qualities as a leader. (Not exactly something her European counterparts have excelled in doing ).

And one thing's for sure, we'll see no gang-banging of any type of hammer from this PM
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Queen Margrethe attended the Life Guards' Anniversary Parade today, June 28, and handed out the Queen's Watch:



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