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I can't remember the particulars of Belgium law ...would she have to be a legitimate daughter to qualify for a title?
LaRae
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I can't remember the particulars of Belgium law ...would she have to be a legitimate daughter to qualify for a title?
The general rule of the Belgian nobility is that titles are only recognized for descendants in legitimate male line, though special remainders have occasionally been granted. I am not sure of the particulars of law - as a matter of fact, there seems to be some confusion around what legislation the rule is founded on.
So let me get this straight: Delphine will not be in the sucession line but she might get a title?
Ok so at this point, really all we are talking about is her *right* to use the last name of her father. Which seems to be fairly obvious that she would from what I understand.
Although if they can't decide on what basis the law is founded on perhaps, assuming she wants a title, she might have grounds eventually.
LaRae
Note that text of the Royal Decree does not make any explicit reference to legitimacy, but rather only to the "children and grandchildren, coming from the direct descendancy of His Majesty the King Albert II." There is a catch though: the article applies specifically only to the "Princes and Princesses" who are children or grandchildren originating from King Albert II's descendancy. There is a possible interpretation that "princes and princesses" should be read here as meaning "dynasts" in the sense of "princes du sang" in the old French monarchy, which would in turn imply legitimacy. It will be a great opportunity for the Belgian courts to clarify and settle this matter once and for all.Art. 2. Dans les actes publics et privés qui les concernent, les Princes et les Princesses, enfants et petits-enfants, issus de la descendance directe de Sa Majesté le Roi Albert II portent le titre de Prince ou de Princesse de Belgique à la suite de leur prénom et, pour autant qu'ils les portent, de leur nom de famille et de leur titre dynastique et avant les autres titres qui leur reviennent de droit par leur ascendance. Leur prénom est précédé par le prédicat Son Altesse Royale.
EDIT: Just another comment, it is important to stress that Prince/Princess is a dignity in Belgium that is prefixed to the name and is not necessarily associated with the title of "Prince of Belgium", used after the name and other dynastic titles when appropriate (e.g. S.A.R la Princesse Élisabeth, Duchesse de Brabant, Princesse de Belgique). Indeed, a prince or princess may not be a "Prince / Princess of Belgium" or an HRH as is the case for example of Anna-Astrid and Maximilian. The recent royal decree on royal coats of arms also makes that distinction as there are now separate arms for the King, the emeritus King (after abdication), the Duke or Duchess of Brabant , the Princes and Princesses of Belgium who are not the Duke or Duchess of Brabant, and the princes and princesses who are not "Princes / Princesses of Belgium". As I said, I look forward to the Belgian courts finally clariying the meaning of "princes and princesses" in the royal decrees of 1891, 1991 and 2015, as that has been a very controversial issue here on TRF for quite some time.Art. 85
Les pouvoirs constitutionnels du Roi sont héréditaires dans la descendance directe, naturelle et légitime de S.M. Léopold, Georges, Chrétien, Frédéric de Saxe-Cobourg, par ordre de primogéniture.
She never want to be Princess , She just want to have a Father and Grandfather for her Childfen.
https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencia...el-hija-ilegitima-alberto-de-belgica_2710112/
https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/de...ebre-j-etais-le-linge-sale-du-roi?id=10557734
Delphine gave an interview a few days ago. (Google Translate). Understandably, she's still not entirely happy. (Aside from which, it must be awful to have this drawn out legal limbo.)
"It hurts me that people say that I have done it for money or interest. There are more important things for me."
She never want to be Princess , She just want to have a Father and Grandfather for her Childfen.
Mr Boel was not her "dad", he married her mother to give her a name, and there was apparnetly no relationship. Albert rejected her..Unusual way to get there, goung to court&press does not get her love&emotukns which she once had, as far as it was reported Albert had a relationship with his daughter plus she had a dad Mr.Broel.
She never want to be Princess , She just want to have a Father and Grandfather for her Childfen.
She Always had a Father and Grandfather for her children But ok.
So she has gone through this circus to get recognized. Whoopi doo. She will get money. Great. But she and the courts can’t force the RF accept her or want her near them much less love her or her kids as family.
She Always had a Father and Grandfather for her children But ok.
So she has gone through this circus to get recognized. Whoopi doo. She will get money. Great. But she and the courts can’t force the RF accept her or want her near them much less love her or her kids as family.
I assume she knows she's not going to be invited to family events but she appears to want to force the open acknowledgement of who her father is even if she never sees him. Possibly stemming from the fact that he cut off contact once rumours started getting out when she was a child.
Mr Boel was not her "dad", he married her mother to give her a name, and there was apparnetly no relationship. Albert rejected her..
i have different information.
Possibly stemming from the fact that she and her children were placed on a list with terrorists and criminals due to being "politically exposed" (Delphine was told she could be taken off if she stopped "claiming" to be the King's daughter.) Albert either was behind that or just didn't care.
Delphine and Albert had contact and some sort of an amicable relationship until she was about 31 or so.
Nobody likes to be called a liar, not by their father and not by the public.
and if course once Albert dies she will fight for part of the heritage which I think is legal in Belgium aswell as in many countries, illegimate or not.
Yes, once she becomes the legal child of King Albert (which has not yet happened), she will be automatically entitled to part of his heritage.
Successions, gifts and wills | Federal Public Service Foreign Affairs
Belgian law attributes a set part of the inheritance (known as the reserve) to certain heirs (children, the surviving spouse and ascendants). The rest of the inheritance may be disposed of freely to the benefit of third parties. If the legacies exceed the part available, they will need to be reduced.
In addition, King Albert publicly promised to provide for her in his testament (a translation of his comments was posted here).
thanks, ok, I am surprised. as he declared being her father, proofed by DNA testing I thought she'd automatically have right to demand of the heritage, that's still different in Belgium-wow. but I think she would have gotten something even without the lawsuit.
Without becoming his (legal) daughter and/or being provided for in his testament, I don't see other grounds on which she could claim a part of his heritage. But it is most likely an academic question, as King Albert has announced he will no longer contest the paternity suit, and she is therefore likely to be acknowledged as his daughter following the court hearing in September.
Is it reasonably certain the hearing won't be postponed again?
Mr Boel was not her "dad", he married her mother to give her a name, and there was apparnetly no relationship. Albert rejected her..