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Old 07-17-2014, 08:25 AM
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I too, am a committed Anglican, and have no problem with the remarriage in Church by divorced persons...
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:39 PM
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There is no organised anti-Camilla lobby in the UK. It doesnt make the press - my assumption is there is a minority who for moral/religious/cranky/Diana/"just-anti" reasons may speak out.

But Camilla only comes forward because she is Charles' wife. Charles is popular (although not the most popular) and there has been a real shift in favour of him becoming king. Certainly a preference for him over William. Everyone knows that means Camilla by his side. So to me that is an indicator that she is already accepted by the UK public.

(I've reread this and I hope it makes sense :) )
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:40 PM
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I don't understand how they can't influence public opinion--they ARE members of the public.
Wether you understand it or not, i assure this is the case, and i'm sure other UK citizens {and subjects!} will back me up on this...

The numbers of people who have a problem with Camilla are reducing as each day passes [Opinion polls recently showed a majority in favour of her becoming Queen Consort,on her husbands accession.]
In any case.. the Succession is NOT a popularity contest, the rules are laid down BY LAW, and it would take the simultaneous changing of that law [in 15 countries !] to deny Camilla her legitimate rights as Queen.
Since no legislation is in prospect [here or elsewhere], new legislation would have to be initiated in the aftermath of the current monarchs death, and with a country, and world grieving that loss, it is unthinkable that such a insult would be offered [by HIS government] to the new, bereaved King [who will be buoyed by a groundswell of public sympathy.]
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:43 PM
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...(I've reread this and I hope it makes sense :) )
It does make sense and thanks for your intelligent response. I am not sure if it is organized, but I sense the media is anti-Camilla--at least the tabloid media is. I don't think the opposition is grounded in religion though. I expect the media will do its best to stoke opposition when the time comes.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:04 PM
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Actually the media are not anti-Camilla IMO. I look at the majority of UK papers on line most days and anti-feeling is not raised. The trend is that Camilla is good at her job, they like her causes (including taking on sensitive issues such as rape-victim support and the fight against FGM) and they really like that she is good for Charles.

This is not the same in the US where I understand there is anti-Camilla press. But that does not have an impact here at home.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:08 PM
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Digressing briefly, a very happy 67th birthday to Camilla!
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Old 07-17-2014, 05:49 PM
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:39 PM
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According to the 2011 Census, 59.3% of the UK population class themselves as christian, down from 71.7% in the 2001 census.

According to the Church of England 1 million people participate in a service on any ordinary Sunday. That is out of a population of 63.23 million (so about 1.6% of the population).

As always, statistics can be questioned. For example there are some (a minority) who attend Church more than once on any given Sunday and so would be counted twice. I would also question how many of the 1 million are children who have been taken by a parent rather than making a conscious decision to attend based on faith. There will be those who will have responded to the census that they are Christian but who do not have any real attachment to the faith or understanding of what the Church believes in.

If there is an opposition to Camilla based on religious grounds then I can't see it as being a significant portion. Of course, religion has been used to justify just about anything from war on downwards. My personal belief is that the vast majority of any opposition to Camilla is based on the media reporting of the breakdown of the marriage of the Prince and Princess of Wales and nothing more. For the majority, any reliance on religion is just an excuse and if it weren't available they would justify their position in some other way.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:50 PM
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I understand your point but, as I pointed out before, virtually every religion, including Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sikhism prohibit adultery. So although 59.3% consider themselves Christian, there are people of other faiths who have may have a different point of view.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:58 PM
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I get your point but the facts are that although we have an established church, we are an increasingly secular society in this country. In fact it is more likely IMO that the Church is dis-established than Camilla not being Queen (other than by her own request).

Aspects of normal life which may be considered "sinful" by various religions are sex before marriage; divorce, children out of wedlock; adultery; same-sex relationships etc. etc.

The mass of the population of the UK do not think that these acts are sinful or wrong.

I would also add that Charles is still in communion with the Church; that when they married then took the "strongest" (dont know how else to word it) act of contrition.

The religious angle is not a barrier. There are no barriers except the ultimate barrier of death.


EDIT: Just want to add that none of those "sins" listed are illegal either.
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I'll say it again, Camilla will become a wonderful Queen consort.
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Cepe, what sins are illegal, perhaps the 10 Commandments and adultery? If not why did they bother with the church stuff?
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:41 PM
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The ongoing discussion is entertaining as usual. In the end the public opinion about Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, is completely irrelevant. The Windsors care very little about any opinion the UK subjects may have. If need be, spinmeisters will be hired to attune it.
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Cepe, what sins are illegal, perhaps the 10 Commandments and adultery? If not why did they bother with the church stuff?
Murder is both a sin and illegal.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:11 PM
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The only one of these previous monarchs who was deemed to be unfit to rule was James II, and only then after ruling for 3 years and doing a less than satisfactory job at it. Seriously, if a man who is of the wrong religion, had no fewer than 7 illegitimate children, and had at least 11 mistresses can be given a shot at being monarch and Supreme Governor of the CoE, I think Charles should be given a pass on his behaviour.
I wonder how many times the James II thread got closed down here back in the 17th Century.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:47 PM
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:49 PM
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I wonder how many times the James II thread got closed down here back in the 17th Century.

So many times.
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:03 AM
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The extensive discussion concerning the legal and religious validity (or otherwise) of the marriage has been moved to the Charles and Camilla: The Marriage 2005 thread.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:45 PM
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Actually the media are not anti-Camilla IMO. I look at the majority of UK papers on line most days and anti-feeling is not raised. The trend is that Camilla is good at her job, they like her causes (including taking on sensitive issues such as rape-victim support and the fight against FGM) and they really like that she is good for Charles.

This is not the same in the US where I understand there is anti-Camilla press. But that does not have an impact here at home.

Please. There is no Camilla press at all here!
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:50 PM
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Please. There is no Camilla press at all here!
Scooter is right. The press could care less about Camilla. It is neither pro nor anti. Kate gets the attention when there is any. Camilla is a non-entity here.
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