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Let's move on from debating correct definitions of words, it's derailing the thread.
Does it matter? The book is rubbish and shows up how very nasty he can be, the fact that a lot of people bought it, does not mean that the author is an admirable person
Curryong, I just want to say as an American, the Sussex's popularity and credibility has MOST certainly tanked here.
Right, left, middle of the road, selling out your OWN Family, FOR MONEY and making salacious accusations really doesn't resonate for the long term with *most* People. Whether they be uninterested or casual observers, or committed Royalty Fans.
Especially NOW, where they have insisted their American raised children claim "their birthright" and be referred to as Prince-Princess.
The shameless hypocrisy of that too was really laughable. They have spent years now claiming how "trapped" and marginalized they were by the very Institution of Monarchy, but they want Titles for their children. Why ?
That's why the South Park Skit was so powerful and popular, it absolutely lambasted The Sussex's continuous weaponizing and monetizing of their self proclaimed "victimhood" in their vendetta against The Royal Family.
I don't think long term The Book, Netflix Series, Podcasts, or these Interviews will add lustre or prestige to The Sussex's quest to be credible and influential Global Superstars. Just the opposite, especially in Harry's case, with his attempts to be a Mental Health Champion.
Attacking your Family non stop, airing allegations and dirty laundry between your Father and Brother, while accepting zero personal blame OR any responsibility AND touting reliance on deep drug use, doesn't exactly inspire confidence in leadership there either.
And as for The Book sales, I still maintain down the line Harry will regret it. When I think of him selling out his Family in cheap, tawdry and inflammatory "tales", I think of this Bible quote......
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole World, but lose his own Soul? "
I doubt Harry is even aware of it, or its cautionary meaning.
Granada you are absolutely correct. While Spare has continued to sell well, the couple's popularity has plummeted in recent months. The South Park episode and a recent Saturday Night live skit reflect that many Americans see them as figures to be made fun of instead of the global leaders that they aspired to be. A growing number of Americans polled, believe that the couple's titles should be removed.
https://www.newsweek.com/why-prince...titles-prince-archie-princess-lilibet-1786536[/QUOTE
Absolutely correct! The Chris Rock piece on Netflix was incredibly damning coming from the POV of an African-American.
Can any UK contributors confirm that the book is now on sale to be cleared at 2.75 quids in tesco?
No, not yet but it's only a matter of time. From the briefest of glimpses I saw it on sale for £8 the other day, possibly in a supermarket.
There is a well known discount book store in the UK which will no doubt start to sell it at some point as surplus hardback stock - maybe once the paperback version is out (no doubt with extra chapters; oh joy!)
Which means one way or another we'll all be lumbered with seeing it in the shops for some time yet
Has it been mentioned here yet that the hearing for Harry's case against Associated Newspapers Ltd (ANL) is taking place this Friday, March 17th?
Applications to watch or listen to the proceedings had to be submitted by end of day March 13th. Applicants had to acknowledge that recording or broadcasting the hearing would be a punishable offence. I wonder if that is standard language, or if they chose to highlight that rule for this case in particular, given who the claimant is?
It will be interesting to see how long the hearing takes, and what information comes out in the process.
That can be said for virtually all biographies though
Let's give them a year after the Coronation to see if they will come to terms with their situation of self-exiled entitled royals of Montecito. Who knows, maybe they'll shine because of the charity work and not being in a passive aggressive war on both sides of their families.
He didn’t pick the date. That would have been a decision made very high up because it works for country as a whole.
They may have gave them another offer: money, a role whatever and that may have offset this. But fundamentally what the Sussexes wanted just wasn’t workable. It’s not like they just said that Meghan was returning to acting and Harry was going to devote himself to Invictus. That for the family would have been fine. A few engagements on the side. Live abroad. Whatever. But they wanted to make money. It couldn’t work. I personally feel if the Sussexes didn’t get what they wanted they would always be like this. Think is I don’t think the know what they want.
I agree, a point has definitely been missed in terms of quantity v quality and popularity v infamy. How many copies a book sells means absolutely nothing.
Do you really believe that the majority of people worldwide who went out and bought a copy of Spare, or took the trouble to order the audio and Kindle versions, came out of reading it believing that Harry is ‘mean and nasty’?
And how many copies a book sells certainly matters to book publishers and the book reading public. If books don’t sell the publisher goes out of business.
‘Spare’ is still number one in bios on Amazon and received around 65,000 reviews, which in my experience (and I’ve been an Amazon book customer for nearly 30 years) is quite unprecedented.
I don’t think anyone thinks that the firm is perfect because no one or organisation is perfect, however the Sussexes with every move made only things hard for themselves. The firm has moved on. Harry needs the media for publicity for his book, without it wouldn’t have helped sales. What has the firm done wrong? Harry had options, he just chose a difficult path and has to come to terms with his choices.The media and public do not help the situation with the Sussex and the Firm. The Firm believes ignore and it will all go away and they also believe can do now wrong. It is a terrible situation. Even if both sides did not leak anything, media and/or public would continue the battle. Very sad.
Popularity vs infamy, you really hit the nail with the hammer on that one.
Re books and the so called NY best sellers scandals, over here in the USA the son in law of our former got into the # 1 spot when using campaign funds to buy thousands of books ahead of time. It's a common practice for bookstores and other organizations to mass buy books and cause the charts to give you a higher spot on the best sellers list.
It certainly seems that those who have read the book on this forum have mainly been quite honestly shocked by a lot of the revelations about Harry... and a couple of years ago when he first left the RF for America, a lot of people were sympathetic and willing to beleive the best of him.. but the book seems to have changed their minds.Well, sampling my small group of 5 folks who read Spare, none of them came out with a better opinion of Harry than they had going in. And at least two of those folks think Camilla was a homewrecker, so they certainly were open to at least seeing Harry as the aggrieved party in all ways, and none of the think that after reading his memoir.
You can attempt to spin the success of the book however you want, but the aftermath is pretty clear and straightforward - it did not reflect well on Brand Sussex.
Do you really believe that the majority of people worldwide who went out and bought a copy of Spare, or took the trouble to order the audio and Kindle versions, came out of reading it believing that Harry is ‘mean and nasty’?
In a word, yes.
Im sure that a lot of people read the book as Harry fans, ie they bought it because they liked Harry and wanted to see what he had to say for himself. However I certainly get the impression that a lot of people who were fans of his, who believed that his motives in leaving the RF etc were to do good and lead a quieter life, were shocked and surprised to hear of the tales of drug taking, angry outbursts, fighting with his protection officers, his sex life, his convicition for years that Diana was in hiding, and many other things like that. And I think they came to dislike him or be shocked by him
Do you really believe that the majority of people worldwide who went out and bought a copy of Spare, or took the trouble to order the audio and Kindle versions, came out of reading it believing that Harry is ‘mean and nasty’?
And how many copies a book sells certainly matters to book publishers and the book reading public. If books don’t sell the publisher goes out of business.
‘Spare’ is still number one in bios on Amazon and received around 65,000 reviews, which in my experience (and I’ve been an Amazon book customer for nearly 30 years) is quite unprecedented.
Why "give them a year?" Didn't the Queen "give them a year" back in 2020, when they were supposed to figure out if they were in or out and what their income would be? They've had three years since then, and they haven't done much of anything that wasn't self-promoting.