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no sgl,it's about the confernece of Arab women organisations in UAE this month.Is this an article about her foundation?
it's award with polical meaning Little_star,that kind of award that some states give to the first ladies or royals from"friends countries" is signe of good dipblomatic/poltical relations and the bla bla bla...same when M6 honored Sheikha Fathima year ago.The award seems a little premature imho.
The official reason given is her work in the field of cancer and IMO her work surrounding this issue is very limited still. Her association was established very recently and is still in the early stages of development. A few years down the line and this award might have value but it seems excessive at this point.it's award with polical meaning Little_star,that kind of award that some states give to the first ladies or royals from"friends countries" is signe of good dipblomatic/plitical relations and the bla bla bla...same when M6 honored Sheikha Fathima year ago.
Would you mind summarising what those "good things" are please?Personally, I think that it is wonderful that Lalla Salma is being recognized. Yes, her foundation is in its infancy; however, she has brought a lot of attention to the need for cancer research. This foundation has a lot of potential, and we have only seen good things so far.
as is writen in this article Sorry it's french"issues that has not previously been discussed openly"
issues did exist before and there were ppl working on them before. the difference is they didn't get previously the media attention. i have more admire and respect for professors and volunteers who work hard every day, than a princess image.
specially in morocco, the media don't put attention on these ppl. all goes around the royal family. and government don't recognise ppl effort in the way that should be. u see many awards to artists (who i respect for their persons) but RARELY if i don't say VERY VERY RARELY to scientists, to doctors, medicine and other fields professors etc.
the other difference is that salma association got the financing from some moroccan companies. that's same money could be given in more democratic way to ppl as tax payment, good salaries for ppl, and which could be well invested in health system and for other associations in need, not only for king's wife association
sound like good idea Zineb I would love to know if you fell the same about Lalla meryem,Lalla asmaa and Lalla hasna organization,cause it's same principe:big/rish moroccan companies who give money to the princesses associationsin order to get publicity for them selves and been photographed with the princesses....!!!!what do you think???they should give that money in more democratic way to poor people and other associations than sisters king's associations nothe other difference is that salma association got the financing from some moroccan companies. that's same money could be given in more democratic way to ppl as tax payment, good salaries for ppl, and which could be well invested in health system and for other associations in need, not only for king's wife association
totaly agree with you girlssound like good idea Zineb I would love to know if you fell the same about Lalla meryem,Lalla asmaa and Lalla hasna organization,cause it's same principe:big/rish moroccan companies who give money to the princesses associationsin order to get publicity for them selves and been photographed with the princesses....!!!!what do you think???they should give that money in more democratic way to poor people and other associations than sisters king's associations no
i am not Zineb but i can reply, yes , i think it's the same thing about king's sisters or king himself...compagnies should give that money in more democratic way like Zineb explain to poor people by correct salaries and tax or solidarity established system and at the end to associations or fundations like in others contries France, UK, USA for helping and for prestigious communication operation or eventssound like good idea Zineb I would love to know if you fell the same about Lalla meryem,Lalla asmaa and Lalla hasna organization,cause it's same principe:big/rish moroccan companies who give money to the princesses associationsin order to get publicity for them selves and been photographed with the princesses....!!!!what do you think???they should give that money in more democratic way to poor people and other associations than sisters king's associations no
this is why I say it's sound good idea,still I didn't see king and his sisters get just a little of those kind of critics like Lalla salmai am not Zineb but i can reply, yes , i think it's the same thing about king's sisters or king himself...compagnies should give that money in more democratic way like Zineb explain to poor people by correct salaries and tax or solidarity established system and at the end to associations or fundations like in others contries France, UK, USA for helping and for prestigious communication operation or events
that's right,in same situation,and for almost same duties and engagement Lalla Salma seems to get more or all criticisms than her sisters in lawstill I didn't see king and his sisters get just a little of those kind of critics like Lalla salma
as ikram said, yes, it's the same for sisters in law, king, and rest of royal family.sound like good idea Zineb I would love to know if you fell the same about Lalla meryem,Lalla asmaa and Lalla hasna organization,cause it's same principe:big/rish moroccan companies who give money to the princesses associationsin order to get publicity for them selves and been photographed with the princesses....!!!!what do you think???they should give that money in more democratic way to poor people and other associations than sisters king's associations no
that's right,in same situation,and for almost same duties and engagement Lalla Salma seems to get more or all criticisms than her sisters in law
no one says either that Chanel or Valentino suits influence the brain and intellegenceThough, I am new in writing in this forum,I am following your interventions since a long time.I also noticed the same harsh and systematic criticism against Lalla Salma.On the other side,her sisters in law are always perfect for some of you.
This criticism concerns not only her style but also her activities.
As far as I am concerned,I try to be neutral.
In her activities,I don't think that she fails in her duty.I find that she is lovely and she represents her country very well.I have lot of sympathy for this lady even if she fails sometimes to be perfect in her her way of dressing.But after all, no one criticised or doubted of the sincerity of queen Elisabeth II because only because she wears very flashy colors .I don't think that Lalla Salma's sisters in law do better,I don't always find them very stylish and their activities have nothing special.
snobish or not, at the end they are the same.Except Lalla Hasna who seems to be very kind and down to earth,the two others seem very snobish and hardly smile.May be I am wrong,but this is what I see and feel through the different photos we have.On the contrary,king Mohamed 6,seems to be warm when behaving with people.Lalla Salma seems also warm with people.
May be,king Mohamed 6 and his wife represent a new school and king's sisters the ancient and stiff school of their father.
Please,don't tell me that it's the protocol who wants them to be snobish and that they are professionnal.because we have lot of good examples with other royal families whose members are very cheerful and kind with their peopleenmark,Great Britain,Brunei,sweeden,Netherlands... etc
May be this is just an appearance but I think that it's important for rulers to show respect and kindness for their people.And in this matter Lalla Salma is good.
i respect your opinion, but to me it's unfair and unjust to compare the uncomparables. france and morocco features can't be compared. chirac and his wife aren't royal. as for Mme Chirac association "pieces jaunes", i didn't see her going the year around collecting these "pieces jaunes". she does it in few weeks, and she does let ppl do the rest of the work. would u compare an european president and his family to an arab royal come on! and financing isn't controlled in the same way. the time when chirac had "maybe" paid salaries for non existant employees at Paris city hall ... court kept following him till he ends his mandates and are investigating in it. i never heard something similar for m6 or his family. and those companies in france aren't in same situation as companies in morocco. could u imagine a company in france, UK or USA isn't paying good salaries or have other problems, could support royal member or someone else, without getting a lot of media attention and discussion on TV and so. lucky salma, this doesn't happen in morocco.I also think that Lalla Salma gets the money to her association in the same way as her sisters in law so I don't understand the debate.This way of collecting money is not particular for Morroco.This happens in all countries even in the richest one.
In France,the former first lady(Mme Chirac)was and is still at the head of an association "les pièces jaunes" who collects money to build rooms inside hospitals for the families of sick children and many other facilities for sick children,elderly and lonely mothers.Mme Chirac was never criticised for this activity even by her husband opponents. i have never heard someone telling it was advertising for her husband.
me too, i'm happy for those who beneficiate of this program. unfortunately they are few, compare to thousands of ppl in need. that's why i say it's not the perfect way to work effectively and prevent this diseas. neither to give the good example for others who want to help other associations and thousands if not millions ppl in need. the media attention and association's "marketing" let ppl think as cancer is the only disease and lonely health problem that exist in morocco. what about other diseases, what about hospitals and other associations that need all kind of support and money?I personally think that Lalla Salma is sincere in wanting to help people suffering of cancer.I think that she can't be doing that for publicity or for the protocol.I can't believe that a person who lost her mother when she was very young isn't sincere and devoted for this cause.
And even if,it was for publicity and doesn't benefiate for the majority i will try to be positive and happy for those few who beneficiate of this program.
I don' think that she has to prove more than the king's sisters and aunt's.Her situation is certainly more delicate than their's.Don't forgot that she is not royal by blood and there are certainly resistance against change.She has to respect the protocol more than others.Although,I understand people having high expectations, I don't think that she has to do a revolution.It will be stupid to believe that she can do the job of the governement or of the king.
The ruler is the king and he is the only one who can change things.let's hope good changes will occur.After all,we have already seen two good changes:the king' wife is now public and he no longer has a harem and the second change is the new laws who give more rights for women.
These a for me changes that no one could have expected at the time of his father king Hassen II.
May be she is trying to influence her husband,may be she can't succeed in convincing her husband to bring the changes some hope,but let's hope she will influence her son and futur king.
Poverty has always been a threat to monarchies and governements and I think that the king is intelligent enough to know this and is in need of a good staff,his wife can only give some advice and not change the mentalities.
good proverb, it's trueTo summarize I will give you the translation of a good french proverb which suits perfectly for the situation"the most beautiful woman in the world can't give more than what she possesses or has".So let's try to avoid giving Lalla Salma a too heavy burden
Would you mind summarising what those "good things" are please?
what salma does right now, is opening treatment centers. did anyone find a treatment for cancer?
For a women and a royalty it appears Lalla Salma are breaking new ground in bringing much needed attention to issues that has not previously been discussed openly
no one says either that Chanel or Valentino suits influence the brain and intellegence ]
I don't see any problem in seeing a first lady being stylish.She represents her country and It will be sad if she gives a bad image of her country. I personnally,find it shocking to see some royal wearing too much couture(ex queen Rania)while their country is very poor.Lalla Salma doesn't appear regularly in public so I hope her collection of couture isn't as big as Rania's.
Sadly,no one speaks of the other morocan princesses expensive cloths.
I wasn't discussing the opportunity for Lalla Salma to wear couture but I was only criticising the fact that she is only one who is criticised.
[snobish or not, at the end they are the same.]
Are you sure? Personnally i prefer someone who treats me correctly.
May be this is a european point of view.
[i respect your opinion, but to me it's unfair and unjust to compare the uncomparables. france and morocco features can't be compared. financing isn't controlled in the same way. and those companies in france aren't in same situation as companies in morocco.]
May be your are true,I know nothing about Morrocan finances but I think there is a budget for each ministery.I just tried to explain that even in France which is relatively a rich country,there is a need for the associations' help in the domain of health and other domains.So in a poor country this seems to be more true.So,I don't see any problem in seing an association trying to help people suffering from cancer.As for the compagnies,believe me they are nearly all the same whatever is the country.The only differences are social laws who are more severe in some countries
[me too, i'm happy for those who beneficiate of this program. it's just no the perfect way to work effectively and prevent the diseas. neither to give the good example for others who want to help other associations and thousands if not millions ppl in need.
yes, she isn't expected to do revolution but many members here repeated this. it's nice to clarify it and yes u are right, it will be stupid to believe that she can do the job of the governement or of the king .. but apparently this what she tries to do. taking health minister and medecine professors roles.]
I am perfectly aware that things are not perfect.Things are not perfect even in rich countries.I have a friend who worked in the navy and he told me that he was exposed to asbestos (amiante) and he knows that one day he will die of a cancer.There are many workers who were exposed to toxic products and it seems that is only in these 10 last year that it becomes an important issue in France.A big french university was decontaminated only recently.So,the situation is certainly worse in poor countries.
Lalla Salma is just at the head of an association and certainly trying her best to make things change at her level.As for preventing diseases,improving salaries this is not exclusivly the job of an association.This is the job of the governement,of trade unions,politicians...etc
It's easy to always criticise the rulers,but the population has to ask for it's rights through legal means:associations,trade unions,political party.
When the king is visiting some areas ,crowds of people are singing and dancing and you expect a princess to do a miracle?Why don't some people in this happy crowd speak to the king of their problems.
You say that she takes the ministere role,she is just dealing with the problem of cancer not of other diseases.So the ministere can still work on others health problems and may be this will encourage him to work harder.As for professor roles,their job is to heal sick people,not to make publicity and inaugurate hospitals.Even, in Europe association tend to call famous singers,actors to represent their associations:the best example is Zinedine Zidane,the football player who represents Ela association.In Europe,only some very famous professors in medecine who discovered diseases or where the first to make an operation have access to the media,the others are in theirs hospitals.
If Salma coordinate some associations or services,I don't know where is the problem,I think that she is able to do it.I don't think that she is stupid
[good proverb, it's true ]
Poor Salma,let her work some years and then judge her work.
Princess Lalla Salma receives Sharjah voluntary work award
Sharjah (UAE), 31 Dec. 2008 (MAP)- Princess Lalla Salma, spouse of King Mohammed VI, was granted the Sharjah Voluntary Work Award in recognition of her efforts to support people affected by cancer.....MAP
i'm not opposite that a first lady looks nice and stylish, but by chance, the extravagance stylish first ladies are only in the 3rd world how comes that first ladies in rich countries don't have money to afford haute couture suits and 3rd world first ladies canI don't see any problem in seeing a first lady being stylish.She represents her country and It will be sad if she gives a bad image of her country. I personnally,find it shocking to see some royal wearing too much couture(ex queen Rania)while their country is very poor.Lalla Salma doesn't appear regularly in public so I hope her collection of couture isn't as big as Rania's.
Sadly,no one speaks of the other morocan princesses expensive cloths.
I wasn't discussing the opportunity for Lalla Salma to wear couture but I was only criticising the fact that she is only one who is criticised.
the problem isn't in financing associations, the problem is in this specific association and how it got over other cancer associations and the financing than anybody else. which is far from being democratic.May be your are true,I know nothing about Morrocan finances but I think there is a budget for each ministery.I just tried to explain that even in France which is relatively a rich country,there is a need for the associations' help in the domain of health and other domains.So in a poor country this seems to be more true.So,I don't see any problem in seing an association trying to help people suffering from cancer.As for the compagnies,believe me they are nearly all the same whatever is the country.The only differences are social laws who are more severe in some countries
right, the situation is worse in poor countries and gets even worse when you see an educated first lady who shows concern on cancer, does work hard to collect money, get media attention and not helping well to stops bad practices that contribute to new cases of cancer each year. who can stop her from making compaigns to stop big industries pollution, etc? this doesn't need someone to be a politician to have concern about it and help to change it. if she really does concern about other ppl (who may are in their way to get cancer) she should think twice on best strategy for her association as her slogan is "work against cancer"I am perfectly aware that things are not perfect.Things are not perfect even in rich countries.I have a friend who worked in the navy and he told me that he was exposed to asbestos (amiante) and he knows that one day he will die of a cancer.There are many workers who were exposed to toxic products and it seems that is only in these 10 last year that it becomes an important issue in France.A big french university was decontaminated only recently.So,the situation is certainly worse in poor countries. Lalla Salma is just at the head of an association and certainly trying her best to make things change at her level.As for preventing diseases,improving salaries this is not exclusivly the job of an association.This is the job of the governement,of trade unions,politicians...etc
RECOGNATION does miracles. so let ppl do their work, give them support and they will do it better than what princess does. let ppl and association be equal to get support and money and you will be happy to see that you contribute to better practices and real change .. this if she really what she is looking for as again her association and speeches saidIt's easy to always criticise the rulers,but the population has to ask for it's rights through legal means:associations,trade unions,political party.
When the king is visiting some areas ,crowds of people are singing and dancing and you expect a princess to do a miracle?Why don't some people in this happy crowd speak to the king of their problems.
You say that she takes the ministere role,she is just dealing with the problem of cancer not of other diseases.So the ministere can still work on others health problems and may be this will encourage him to work harder.As for professor roles,their job is to heal sick people,not to make publicity and inaugurate hospitals.Even, in Europe association tend to call famous singers,actors to represent their associations:the best example is Zinedine Zidane,the football player who represents Ela association.In Europe,only some very famous professors in medecine who discovered diseases or where the first to make an operation have access to the media,the others are in theirs hospitals.
If Salma coordinate some associations or services,I don't know where is the problem,I think that she is able to do it.I don't think that she is stupid
this what ppl said here in this forum 7 years ago. no problem, years to come but don't put lot of expectations as many did in the pastPoor Salma,let her work some years and then judge her work.
I don't think she is using anything more than her sisiters in law to do her job she is equal to them in everything even they all have to same margin of official media cover(TV and newspapers),only the no official/governmental media who enjoy the some freedom they have to make money from cover of lalla salma as poeple are always excited to know more about her this is why there is alot of about here in media than the other princesses maybe evey moroccan know alot about Meryem or hasna but still want more about Salma,she don't ask from any one to call her"queen of the people","the queen of heart"....about the discussion about the fact that some members are more critic with lalla salma than with her sisters in law, for me it's absolutly normal since lalla salma is presented as different than others, it's always these commentaries that we read in magazine, she is presentend like the "queen of the people" "the queen of heart" and who give a new visage for the palace, the, when you saw her use the same mehode in her way to do her job than other members of MRF, personally, that irritated me a lot, and I make more critic for her than for her sisters-in-law, who haven't all these publicity around them