Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna: June 2008-

[Andolini]

Originally Posted by Warren

I'm not sure if some members are being deliberately obtuse, or just enjoy whipping themselves into a state of frenzied indignation.
As Benjamin has alredy pointed out, the service was organised and conducted by the Russian Orthodox Church.
Therefore, "she" didn't omit or delete anything. "They" [meaning the Church officials responsible for the liturgy and prayers] did.
Could everyone please stick to the known facts rather than the stock standard emotional spleen and false attribution so common in this subforum.

thanks,

Warren
Non-Reigning Houses moderator

Oh, okay, sorry. I get it now

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by Warren

I'm not sure if some members are being deliberately obtuse, or just enjoy whipping themselves into a state of frenzied indignation.
As Benjamin has alredy pointed out, the service was organised and conducted by the Russian Orthodox Church.
Therefore, "she" didn't omit or delete anything. "They" [meaning the Church officials responsible for the liturgy and prayers] did.

Okay, so this should probably go in the Nicholas and Alexandra subthread, but why would the Church omit the last known tzar from a list of tzars.... What do they gain from forging history like that?
(And did the several contenders in the imperial family not protest this decision?)

[melall]

The Last Emperor and his family was canonized. But by reading a Litany for the Departed of the saints is PROHIBITED. Therefore, by Nicholas II, his wife and children had a special moleben, as referred to in the text: «After the Litya, an intercessory prayer service, or moleben, was offered to the Holy Royal Passion-Bearers»

[Spheno]

Maria Vladimirovna's ex-husband turns 70

[Al_bina]

Thanks for the information!
It is quite interesting to read about Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna's ex-spouse.

[AristoCat]

I remember reading in a biography that she is holding the throne in trust for her son, but go figure, now that he is well past majority, shouldn't that guy take his position in the family feud as Pretender for the Vladimir branch.

[Ish]

It could be that she's "holding it" in trust for her son until he marries and what not.
Or it could be that the reason why she entered into the family feud in general was with the aim of securing her son's future position.
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[MAfan]

Posts discussing the righteousness of Maria Vladimirovna's claims to the Headship of the Imperial Family have been moved to the http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ily-16024.html thread.

MAfan
Non-reigning Houses Moderator

[Andolini]

Originally Posted by mafan

posts discussing the righteousness of maria vladimirovna's claims to the headship of the imperial family have been moved to the http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ily-16024.html thread.

Mafan
non-reigning houses moderator

thank you!!!!!

[MAfan]

Whatever the restoration of former European monarchies is - a hope, a dream, a real possibility - this is not the place for discussing it. Please stay on topic, which is Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna's current events.
And, when posting, please remember that the members of the Forums are expectexd to treat each other with respect.
Thank you all.

MAfan
Russian Forum Moderator

[AristoCat]

I wonder how Maria is handling the news of a child out of wedlock by Rostislav. Prince Rostislav might have to marry his girlfriend and I think that would make it an unequal match. So now her son Georgi just has to marry the right wife and Georgi could actually snag the scepter.

[MAfan]

Well, considering the basis of her claims, I'd guess that she isn't handling that news at all. I mean, from her point of view Rostislav isn't a member of the Imperial family, he is just a plain Mr. Romanov like dozens of his relatives, and isn't subjected to any family rule or Pauline Law.

[AristoCat]

Beg to differ; Rostislav has been her son's main rival and is closer genetically to Nicholas II via Grand Duchess Xenia. I don't think Maria viewed him with too much indifference and I don't think Georgi is unaware that Rostislav is the preferred Head of House among the majority of Romanovs.

[Ish]

Yes, but while he may be a contender, the birth of his child does nothing to alter her claim nor make his claim a better one.

[DWC]

The birth of his son may not alter the claims but Prince Rostislav seemed to be looking at establishing himself permanently in Russia, he was learning the language and has shown the most interest in his heritage out of all the other Romanov's of his generation and as such could build himself up as a visible Russian based rival to Maria.

I don't know if he is dating the mother but his son was born in London so perhaps he will move back to the UK to be closer to his son (and girlfriend if they are a couple) and disappear off the radar (which would please Maria), he seems to be one of the more active members of the family after Prince Dimitri who still seems rather active even in his late 80s. But I suppose if he does marry the mother then at least he has a male heir, Prince Jaime of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, Duke of Capua (b 1992) is regarded as heir to grandfather and father even though he was born nearly ten years before his parents married, Prince Manuel of Bavaria (b 1972) is treated as a dynast even though he also was born before his parents marriage so being born outside of marriage does not seem to be a big deal anymore.

[COUNTESS]

Dating the mother. How charming. All of these people are dynasts to imaginary thrones. So, they have imaginary wives and heirs.

[MAfan]

One may agree that "all of these people", as you call them, are no longer heirs to any throne, because their throne don't exist anymore. And - since the throne doesn't exist anymore - one may also agree that they don't have heirs to that throne. I call those thrones and heirs no longer existing, you call them imaginary, but I think that we mean the same thing.
But I really can't understand why their wives should be imaginary. Aren't they real persons after all?

[COUNTESS]

Originally Posted by MAfan

One may agree that "all of these people", as you call them, are no longer heirs to any throne, because their throne don't exist anymore. And - since the throne doesn't exist anymore - one may also agree that they don't have heirs to that throne. I call those thrones and heirs no longer existing, you call them imaginary, but I think that we mean the same thing.
But I really can't understand why their wives should be imaginary. Aren't they real persons after all?

Of course, you are right. Their wives are real. The other stuff is silly.

[AristoCat]

Thing is, that Rostislav was the first Romanov to establish himself in Russia, with Russia being his primary home. Rostislav in the main rival to Georgi's claims and thing is, that I wonder how Maria may well feel once Rostislav chooses one way or another. If he marries this woman, he will end up undermining a claim if they are going by House Law. If he refuses to marry, he creates a situation like Albert of Monaco and ends up undermining his eligibility with other women who might have been interested.

Maria certainly has been active, celebrating the four hundred years of Romanovs at the Livadia Palace. I wonder if she's been scheming with Georgi about who to marry to further undermine Rostislav's claims.

[Benjamin]

Thing is, that Rostislav has no legitimate claims.