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Old 01-09-2017, 12:31 PM
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If Harry wants to marry Meghan, he will.
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Old 01-09-2017, 12:47 PM
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He needs consent. But if anyone thinks that he would not get permission when the prince of Wales got permission to marry a divorcee they are stretching. If the queen and parliament has no problem with the future queen consort being a divorcee, then they certainly wouldn't have a problem with the future duchess of x (wife if the current fifth in line) being a divorcee.

It isn't correct though yo bring Andrew and Anne into this. Yes, both are divorcees, but neither are married to divorcees. Andrews has never remarried, and Tim has never married before. As sad as it us to say, those marrying into the family are held to different standards then the born member. And at the time Anne married, she had to marry in Scotland as it was not allowed in England. Fortunately that has changed.

But the article is click bait. Even more proof is the relied article. Didn't read it but title is about who will be king next, Charles or William drumming up ridiculous old arguments to get clicks. Ones either no basis at that.
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Old 01-09-2017, 12:59 PM
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And this is one reason they say she wants attention or using Harry. She had a life before him.
So true or when reporters who spoke with her in June try to make it seem like an exclusive new interview. And of course Meghan is making them repost stuff??!! really like they can't do that themselves for extra clicks?
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Old 01-09-2017, 02:00 PM
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I'm thinking it would be a HUGE PR mistake if Harry was denied a permission to marry whom he wishes, as long as they're not criminal or hold any record like that. I doubt there's any dark secrets in Meghan's life, or the press would've found out about them already. A divorce, or the woman being 3 whole years older, or being American shouldn't be an issue, at all. But you're all right, these are click and bait articles, recycled for the 100th time too.
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Old 01-09-2017, 02:07 PM
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The Queen won't deny her permission. Harry can marry Meghan if he chooses. Other than the usual snobs who'll put their noses up at an American divorcee marrying into The Firm, all is good.

They just have to make a go of it.
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Old 01-09-2017, 02:19 PM
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I can't imagine Harry would be denied permission to marry Meghan.

I think for him to be denied to marry someone she would have to been very scandalous (a stripper...prostitute..porn star etc) or have been involved in something of that nature....perhaps if she was a multiple divorcee that might be cause but not with just one divorce from a young marriage.


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Old 01-09-2017, 02:32 PM
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Its even more unlikely they would deny her because now America is involved.Everyone everywhere would cry racism if an engagement was denied.Even though we know the Queen isn't racist it will be insinuated and it could bring down the monarchy even more...I don't see any way they can deny her...The biggest issue out of the 3 listed would probably be she is American but at the same time Autumn Phillips (Canadian) was too and was accepted into the family.So that being said If they give it a year the Queen would be thrilled with the idea of another wedding.
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:00 PM
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I think her being American isn't a concern at all. Many of the Noble families in the U.K. have Americans in their heritages. Prince William, future King, has Americans from his mother's side.

Her 'Americanism' is a non-issue.


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Old 01-09-2017, 03:06 PM
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I don't even get why they keep bringing the divorced status up...Of course he can! At 32 would Harry really find an inexperienced woman? Even more I'm almost sure he wouldn't want one! I think the Queen has learned if people married who they loved in her family they are less likely to divorce.Marrying with rules in the BRF has never worked.
Andrew married a woman he loved and perhaps still does. Anne married a man she loved(Mark Phillips)...all of HM's Lascelles cousins married for love.

I think love is the basis for any normal successful modern marriage. But for a Royal marriage it can't be and shouldn't be the only factor that is taken into consideration...simply an important one.

For generations, many if not most of the marriages undertaken "with rules" in the BRF were not only successful, they were happy.
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:13 PM
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The Queen at her age most likely doesn't care. She adores Harry and they seem to have a good relationship. She'll give her blessing and give them a beautiful wedding.
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:14 PM
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I think her being American isn't a concern at all. Many of the Noble families in the U.K. have Americans in their heritages. Prince William, future King, has Americans from his mother's side.

Her 'Americanism' is a non-issue.


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I was trying to say out of her divorced status,her age and being American the one that could be an issue the most would have been her being American not understanding their culture but of course all are non issues in the end.I don't see any problem with his choice in GF but I have heard some British people complain about her not being an "English Rose".
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:20 PM
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Of course Americans marrying British aristocrats is different to marrying into The Firm.

But as has been pointed out, divorce isn't a social taboo. If Harry wants to marry Meghan, her previous marriage won't matter.

The usual snobs will protest. She's American, she's divorced, her background, but none of that is an issue to most brits.
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:20 PM
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If they don't marry of course there will always be those who call them snobs and even racist. Not because Meghan is American, as that isn't a race, but because she is mixed.

But if you look at the extended royal family we already have

An actres: Sophie Winklemen
A foreigner: two Canadians Autumn and Silvana, and kiwi Gary Lewis
Other race: Gary Lewis is Maori
Divorced: Silvana is divorced. Gary not divorced but a child from a previous relationship. Even Princess Michael was a divorcee.

Yes, Harry is closer to the throne. But he is currently fifth and if his brother has more kids, and when George and Charlotte grow up and have kids, he gets further and further away.
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:30 PM
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I was trying to say out of her divorced status,her age and being American the one that could be an issue the most would have been her being American not understanding their culture but of course all are non issues in the end.I don't see any problem with his choice in GF but I have heard some British people complain about her not being an "English Rose".
She's an biracial American
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:42 PM
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I was trying to say out of her divorced status,her age and being American the one that could be an issue the most would have been her being American not understanding their culture but of course all are non issues in the end.I don't see any problem with his choice in GF but I have heard some British people complain about her not being an "English Rose".
That comment re "English Rose" would be a euphemism for a racist comment. There are awful people everywhere who say things like that. Shame on them.

But there are over 65 million British people and frankly I doubt if even 0.001% are interested or have made a comment. So as a Brit, I say ignore comments like that cos they mean nothing in the real world.

Harry has said that joining the BRF is tough, and so I don't think that he will rush anything. I would guess that if all goes well and she accepts the constraints that royal life brings (and it does and no she won't change the culture because that is down to the Monarch), poss engagement very end of 2017 and wedding 2018.

The 70th anniversary of HMQ and DoE should not/will not be overshadowed
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Old 01-09-2017, 03:46 PM
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The multitudes may bray and the media print their scorn to the ends of the earth but in the long run, it won't matter one little bit. The choice is up to the couple and the assent given by the monarch is all that is needed.

It'll be a frozen day in the desert before any of the people that matter as to how this relationship goes pay any attention to popular opinion. Those that whine and moan and stick their noses up in the air have nothing better to do with their lives than to form opinions on something that isn't their concern in the first place.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:19 PM
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None of the Brits I've contact with (friends with on FB and other groups) have had anything negative to say about Meghan due to her Americanism or her mixed ethnicity.


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Old 01-09-2017, 06:12 PM
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For generations, many if not most of the marriages undertaken "with rules" in the BRF were not only successful, they were happy.
Wow, that's a stretch of a statement. There were some marriages that were happy by our modern definition, yes, but also some truly dysfunctional messes and more than a few that worked primarily because the king and the queen essentially ran separate households and rarely saw each other. Thing is, in this day and age of constant media attention, that last option isn't really on the table any more, so it becomes all the more important for Harry and his family members to really have a true interest in and affection for the person they choose as a spouse, and the old rules of "suitability" become less reliable as an indicator of a royal marriage's success.
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Old 01-09-2017, 06:41 PM
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Wow, that's a stretch of a statement. There were some marriages that were happy by our modern definition, yes, but also some truly dysfunctional messes and more than a few that worked primarily because the king and the queen essentially ran separate households and rarely saw each other. Thing is, in this day and age of constant media attention, that last option isn't really on the table any more, so it becomes all the more important for Harry and his family members to really have a true interest in and affection for the person they choose as a spouse, and the old rules of "suitability" become less reliable as an indicator of a royal marriage's success.
Yesss, thank you! I had to chuckle at the arranged happy marriage thing
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Old 01-09-2017, 07:28 PM
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Wow, that's a stretch of a statement. There were some marriages that were happy by our modern definition, yes, but also some truly dysfunctional messes and more than a few that worked primarily because the king and the queen essentially ran separate households and rarely saw each other. Thing is, in this day and age of constant media attention, that last option isn't really on the table any more, so it becomes all the more important for Harry and his family members to really have a true interest in and affection for the person they choose as a spouse, and the old rules of "suitability" become less reliable as an indicator of a royal marriage's success.
This was said beautifully!!!
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