What is your opinion of Frederik and Mary - Page 50

jmj21983 · #**981** 06-07-2006, 10:48 AM

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hy does it seem odd? That's what PR agents do.
Whatever Mary does, im sure it has to get approval and direction from someone. Im sure someone is telling her what to do, what is accepted and what isnt.

I'm not suggesting Mary did the photoshoot behind anyone's back or anything like that, I just think it would be strange if a PR person told her something like "You should pose for an Australian fashion magazine."

Australian · #**982** 06-07-2006, 11:41 AM

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I'm not suggesting Mary did the photoshoot behind anyone's back or anything like that, I just think it would be strange if a PR person told her something like "You should pose for an Australian fashion magazine."

What's wrong with that though?

jmj21983 · #**983** 06-07-2006, 03:06 PM

Nothing wrong, it just seems like the type of advice you would give to an actress or a model, not royalty. I always thought Mary was approached by Australian Vogue to do a cover story, Mary liked the idea and asked her staff/PR people if it was okay and they agreed.

Margrethe II · #**984** 06-07-2006, 06:10 PM

HRH isnt the only royal to have been involved with Vogue or any gloss mag for that matter so I have always found it odd that so many people find it worthy of criticizing (not directed at any one person).

"MII"

**Zonk** · #**985** 06-07-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Margrethe II

HRH isnt the only royal to have been involved with Vogue or any gloss mag for that matter so I have always found it odd that so many people find it worthy of criticizing (not directed at any one person).

"MII"

Excellent point! I totally forgot about the Vanity Fair picture spread about the young Royals. Of course its totally different cause its Mary vs everyone else :)

Speaking of this Vogue article, does anyone have a link on where I can find it. I would love to read it since people are still talking about it two years later.

enchantednights · #**986** 06-07-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Margrethe II

HRH isnt the only royal to have been involved with Vogue or any gloss mag for that matter so I have always found it odd that so many people find it worthy of criticizing (not directed at any one person).

"MII"

Princess Caroline was on the cover of Vogue. and i believe she did a shoot for them as well.

and Grace was always on those types of magazines. so monaco's royal family has always been in them, but no one minds because they are so beautiful and glam.

jmj21983 · #**987** 06-08-2006, 12:46 AM

Well, I can only speak for myself and say I'm not really criticizing Mary for posing for Vogue, I just think it would have been better if she'd done it after a few years as a princess. That way she could've gotten to talk about some of her duties and patronages as crown princess. I just believe that doing the Vogue shoot so early on as a princess showed that she was indulging in the glamorous side of being a royal before getting some real hard work done, even though I'm sure that's not her intention.

Australian · #**988** 06-08-2006, 02:10 AM

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Well, I can only speak for myself and say I'm not really criticizing Mary for posing for Vogue, I just think it would have been better if she'd done it after a few years as a princess. That way she could've gotten to talk about some of her duties and patronages as crown princess. I just believe that doing the Vogue shoot so early on as a princess showed that she was indulging in the glamorous side of being a royal before getting some real hard work done, even though I'm sure that's not her intention.

I respect your viewpoint but I think she did it early on in her marriage in order to make it as a debut for her, to introduce her to the world.

jmj21983 · #**989** 06-08-2006, 03:01 AM

I respect yours as well:) I thought she was already introduced to the world by her wedding day.

PreDoc · #**990** 06-08-2006, 03:03 AM

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Speaking of this Vogue article, does anyone have a link on where I can find it. I would love to read it since people are still talking about it two years later.

Yes I'd love to see it too ... hopefully they'll let her do more of them soon!

Australian · #**991** 06-08-2006, 03:11 AM

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I respect yours as well:) I thought she was already introduced to the world by her wedding day.

and was also introduced to the world by the vogue shoot. I'm sure if there was something wrong with it then the Danish court would have not given their permission or go ahead to do it. A few photos isnt going to hurt. :)

Jo of Palatine · #**992** 06-08-2006, 05:37 AM

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and was also introduced to the world by the vogue shoot. I'm sure if there was something wrong with it then the Danish court would have not given their permission or go ahead to do it. A few photos isnt going to hurt. :)

I wonder,too, why people react at all to these pictures in a negative way. Maybe Prince Frederick and his mother were simply proud of the fact that this prince snatched a beauty with a nice character. Maybe they wanted to give Mary right at the beginning the chance to appear as an ambassador for Denmark - it wouldn't have done IMHO to simply present her as patron of charities or so, as she was not long enough in her position to really convince in that role, but anyone could see that this princess was made to be a supporter of Danish fashion. And Vogue is the right outlet for something like that. In my book it is an honour to be chosen as "cover-girl" for Vogue (wasn't Diana on Vogue, too?). Okay, nowadays, as the young mother of the heir and some years into the job, the princess is convincing in her public duties but back then Vogue was one of the few possibilities for the Danish court to show off their new treasure

. IMHO.

Warren · #**993** 06-08-2006, 05:48 AM

The Vogue shoot has been rehashed so many times in this thread it's getting ridiculous.

Those members who find themselves unable to get past this episode in the life of Crown Princess Mary may read all about the pros and cons in the previous fifty (yes, FIFTY) pages.

This will allow the rest of the members to read and discuss something interesting, and even original.

Thanks.

Warren
Danish Forums moderator

Aussie Princess · #**994** 06-08-2006, 09:12 AM

I've only got a few things more to say- I don't believe not being Danish makes my opinions null and void, just as it does not make your opinions null and void. therefore saying Mary makes a bad Princess is not a comment you can say doesn' count for anything just because someone is not Danish. I'm sure there are non-danes here who know about 10x more of the royal family than some Danish!and just because opinions are of a positive nature does not mean that they are anymore 'proven' or 'justified' No I can't prove she doesn't connect with a crowd because some will never believe it anyway. but certainly no one can prove she does. I've never seen it, and I do know what her work involves, and I'm still not impressed for how she never gave any real support to a worthy charity. She doesnt go out of her way to really go and experiance it and do something useful.
I've allready explained why I can't source the stories- and we all saw them show up and dissapear, so what's the point pretending they were never there? they weren't friends of Mary, no one ever claimed them to be, and it doesn't really matter if they had been crappy friends anyway. still doesn't mean the stories didn't appear. Personally, I also work with facts- ALL the facts, even the ones that were whitewashed, which I find suspicious in itself. The fact that things had to go through legal avenues(and we ALL saw the starmaker woman presenting her legal letters) to be hidden looks bad- if things had stayed out in the open they would seem more trustworthy.

Little_star · #**995** 06-08-2006, 09:35 AM

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and just because opinions are of a positive nature does not mean that they are anymore 'proven' or 'justified' No I can't prove she doesn't connect with a crowd because some will never believe it anyway.

True, nobody asks for proof when praise is being dished out. As far as I know, nobody on this forum is intimately acquainted with Mary, making everybody's opinion equally valid.

**Zonk** · #**996** 06-08-2006, 09:49 AM

Aussie Princess...I guess I am confused. How can you say she has not give any real support to a worthwhile charity. My questions are this: what do you consider to be real support? Also, the following is a list of organizations that the Mary is associated with (via the royal website):

HRH The Crown Princess is the patron of the following:

Culture:
The Children's Choir of the Royal Danish Academy of Music
The Danish Arts and Crafts Association
The Danish Cultural Institute

Fashion:
Copenhagen International Fashion Fair
Designers Nest

Humanitarian Aid:
The Danish Refugee Council (DRC)

Research and Science:
The Danish Youth Association of Science
Research Day

Social and Health:
Children's Aid Foundation
Danish Association for Mental Health
Rare Disorders Denmark
The Alannah & Madeline Foundation
The Christmas Seal Foundation
The Danish Brain Injury Association
The Danish Heart Association
The Danish Kidney Association
The Danish Mental Health Fund
World Health Organization, Regional Office for Europe

Sport:
The Danish Golf Union

Based upon this list, what do you consider NOT to be a worthy chairty. I am going to assume its the Fashion aspect, but what about the others? And how is she supposed to be do something useful, like volunteer for a soup kitchen, etc. Is that what you mean? How do you know she doesn't do that?

UserDane · #**997** 06-08-2006, 10:10 AM

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...Based upon this list, what do you consider NOT to be a worthy chairty. I am going to assume its the Fashion aspect, but what about the others? And how is she supposed to be do something useful, like volunteer for a soup kitchen, etc. Is that what you mean? How do you know she doesn't do that?

I don't understand it either Zonk1189. The thing about her fashion patronage has been so much debated. I really don't understand why some cannot comprehend that fashion in Denmark is a major export commodity. I don't hear any complaints about royals acting as patrons for Danish agriculture It's the same for crying out loud! Fashion is among Denmark's top 10 - if not top 5 - export commodities. Having royal patronage is the obvious thing to do.

Aussie princess: Exactly HOW does Mary do less for her charities than, say, Maxima in Holland or Victoria in Sweden? Do you know that she attends fewer meetings out of the media's eye with her patronages than say the other two mentioned princesses, do you know if she misses out on a lot of events where the media is present - or is it simply your own impression of how things are??

Australian · #**998** 06-08-2006, 10:35 AM

And also, fashion events are functions that will get more press than any other function. So it may seem like all she does is fashion events (which there is nothing wrong with, as UserDane says- Its a major commodity in Denmark.)

A heart foundation function, for example, will not get half as much coverage as a fashion one. Its just the way it is

norwegianne · #**999** 06-08-2006, 10:40 AM

Let's not do the comparison with other princesses, please?

fromEU · #**1000** 06-08-2006, 10:52 AM

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And also, fashion events are functions that will get more press than any other function. So it may seem like all she does is fashion events (which there is nothing wrong with, as UserDane says- Its a major commodity in Denmark.)

A heart foundation function, for example, will not get half as much coverage as a fashion one. Its just the way it is

Plus the Copenhagen International fashion fair is only twice a year, a few days February and August. Mary does not do much in fasionevents in between.