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Old 11-21-2018, 11:23 AM
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Nothing has been confirmed and folks are digging into the mans background and ancestry.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:31 AM
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I know...when there's pics of them out together I'll believe it


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Old 11-21-2018, 11:35 AM
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Mary Tudor's second husband Charles Brandon had an even more complicated marital career. He was betrothed to Anne Browne, who became pregnant, but threw her over to marry her stepmother's sister, a wealthy widow. That marriage was soon annulled and he then married Anne who by that time had given birth to a daughter. Anne died shortly after the birth of a second daughter and Brandon then became betrothed to an orphaned eight-year-old heiress (even taking her title) but dumped her to marry Mary Tudor.

Meanwhile, his first wife was still alive and in response to concerns over the legality of Brandon's subsequent marriages, the Pope confirmed the validity of the original annulment.

Less than three months after Mary Tudor's death, the 48-year-old Brandon married yet another heiress, 13-year-old Catherine Willoughby.

I hope Princess Beatrice doesn't get mixed up with a chap like that.
Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk has always given me the creeps mainly because he married a 13 year old when he was 48... but I knew NOTHING about the "betrothal" to the 8 year old...I mean I know those were different times and it wasn't considered all that bad but still....
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:38 PM
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Nothing has been confirmed and folks are digging into the mans background and ancestry.
The people who are digging into his background and ancestry are people who enjoy researching aristocrats and their families anyway. A possible connection with a member with the BRF, no matter how tenuous, simply gives them another reason to share their wealth of knowledge with others.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:55 PM
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Exactly....it's the reason I joined TRF...Royal history and genealogy
with some gossip and fashion chat thrown in to lighten things up

Edo has a really interesting lineage, and for that matter so does Jack Brooksbank.

The Duke of York must be very pleased.
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Old 11-21-2018, 01:01 PM
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Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk has always given me the creeps mainly because he married a 13 year old when he was 48...I knew NOTHING about the "betrothal" to the 8 year old...I mean I know those were different times and it wasn't considered all that bad but still....

Still going on today....


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Old 11-21-2018, 02:02 PM
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Scroll to the bottom of the post to see scanned pages from the poster's (authoritative) sources. Some Italian titles aren't like British peerages where there is only one titleholder. In the Mozzi family every member is a Conte or Contessa. But no one is THE Conte with a special legal status.
Yes, exactly. The same situation in Belgium in the family of Stephanie de Lannoy(now HGD of Luxembourg)

The comital title that was bestowed on the de Lannoy family by the Holy Roman Emperor is used by every member of the family male and female in the centuries since.
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Old 11-21-2018, 02:22 PM
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The people who are digging into his background and ancestry are people who enjoy researching aristocrats and their families anyway. A possible connection with a member with the BRF, no matter how tenuous, simply gives them another reason to share their wealth of knowledge with others.
I understand that, but I just think it’s wise to wait for something to be confirmed first.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:22 PM
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I understand that, but I just think it’s wise to wait for something to be confirmed first.
Many of the discussions on Royal Forums deal with hypothetical situations. For example, after Harry and Meghan's engagement was announced members discussed potential child custody issues that might arise if they ever divorced and Meghan wanted to move back to the U.S. with their children. Right now there is a debate on whether or not William will be invested as Prince of Wales in a ceremony similar to Charles's.

The possibility that Beatrice might be involved with a foreign aristocrat, no matter how remote, gives members a chance to discuss relevant issues - is he truly a count, would Beatrice be allowed to use his title, what ramifications if any would there be if he is Roman Catholic, have other British princesses married men with children, etc. There's no harm in that and it doesn't mean members are treating the rumors as fact.
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Old 11-21-2018, 07:32 PM
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Exactly....it's the reason I joined TRF...Royal history and genealogy
with some gossip and fashion chat thrown in to lighten things up

Edo has a really interesting lineage, and for that matter so does Jack Brooksbank.

The Duke of York must be very pleased.
Previously there had been mention of Prince Andrew wanting his sons-in-law to receive a title. Edoardo already has a title.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:29 PM
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Previously there had been mention of Prince Andrew wanting his sons-in-law to receive a title. Edoardo already has a title.
I don't think the title is as important to the Duke of York as the means to support his daughter, and the couple's compatibility. Discretion would be a welcome attribute as well. Dave was a bit of a show pony.
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Nothing has been confirmed and folks are digging into the mans background and ancestry.
It's just for fun so what's the harm in that. This is nothing compared to the Twitter meltdown we had a few years ago when Astrid Bernadotte married a Bruti Liberati in Florence wearing her grandmother's bridal crown in the presence of members of the Swedish Royal Family. That was a long and very amusing day with people trying to get info about that family.
The true meltdown happened late at night when the bride was photographed wearing what some thought was a tiara previously owned by Tsarina Alexandra.

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Scroll to the bottom of the post to see scanned pages from the poster's (authoritative) sources. Some Italian titles aren't like British peerages where there is only one titleholder. In the Mozzi family every member is a Conte or Contessa. But no one is THE Conte with a special legal status.
That is interesting. I was tweeting with someone about Edo's title the day the story broke. While Italy, for historical reasons, have several different systems regarding the nobility he would according to the most common system, and I believe according to the system set in place by the Savoy kings, be a "Don Edoardo dei Conti Mappello Mozzi" instead of being an outright count himself.
Great find and thanks to the one who originally posted it.
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Old 11-23-2018, 05:07 PM
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That is interesting. I was tweeting with someone about Edo's title the day the story broke. While Italy, for historical reasons, have several different systems regarding the nobility he would according to the most common system, and I believe according to the system set in place by the Savoy kings, be a "Don Edoardo dei Conti Mappello Mozzi" instead of being an outright count himself.
Great find and thanks to the one who originally posted it.
I know nothing about Italian titles so I might be completely wrong about this. The original poster included scanned images of the sources he consulted. The name of the every male in the family is preceded by "Co." Is that an abbreviation for count? If so, it seems that every male in the family is a count but the females aren't countesses.

The article also begins with this statement, in Italian:

"Nob. (mf), co. (m), per succ. Mozzi con R.D. 13 mar. 1913 e R.R.L.L.P.P 17 lug. 1913."

Does this mean females in the family have the status of nobile [noble] while the males are counts?
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Old 11-23-2018, 08:19 PM
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So according to the media Wolfie's mother is Dara Huang. I had a feeling she was the ex-gf because looking at Edo's twitter he used to retweet her quite a bit, plus her pictures from 2016 show her looking pregnant.

The media still hasn't dug up this mysterious, alleged ex-wife, I'm starting to think he was never married.
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Old 11-23-2018, 11:00 PM
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I know nothing about Italian titles so I might be completely wrong about this. The original poster included scanned images of the sources he consulted. The name of the every male in the family is preceded by "Co." Is that an abbreviation for count? If so, it seems that every male in the family is a count but the females aren't countesses.

The article also begins with this statement, in Italian:

"Nob. (mf), co. (m), per succ. Mozzi con R.D. 13 mar. 1913 e R.R.L.L.P.P 17 lug. 1913."

Does this mean females in the family have the status of nobile [noble] while the males are counts?
Indeed.

The male members of the family are "Conte Nobile," while the female members of the family are "Nobile."
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So according to the media Wolfie's mother is Dara Huang. I had a feeling she was the ex-gf because looking at Edo's twitter he used to retweet her quite a bit, plus her pictures from 2016 show her looking pregnant.

The media still hasn't dug up this mysterious, alleged ex-wife, I'm starting to think he was never married.
Another stellar reporting job from the DM who have quotes from her mother. Sigh. I suppose it was too much to hope that the kid's family (and the kid himself) would be left out of this when it's not even confirmed they're dating. She doesn't deserve to get harassed over who her ex is/might be dating.

I suspect there isn't an ex wife but initial reports were confused because he has a son.
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Well that didn't take long. The Fail has already tagged the guy as a cad before it's official that he and Bea are dating. If this is true - that he broke things off with this woman one month before dating Bea it's not good. And if the ex-gf goes to the press and alleges overlap (Edo and Bea were hooking up on her watch) it becomes a like mother like daughter cheating scandal .
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I'm just ignoring the media on this situation...until I see pics of them together.



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