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Old 07-18-2006, 11:29 PM
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Why do you want especially a girl? I hope Kiko could give birth to a healthy newborn, whichever his/her sex would be! I should like to see Kiko happy and in good health herself.

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Old 07-18-2006, 11:43 PM
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Anyone has any idea how many months she actually has? I too have this suspicion that what is on the press has been prepared and they know the sex of the baby already. As I mentioned somewhere in this thread, I won't be surprised if there was at least one back up imperial baby boy growing up in a concubine's belly ready for a quick switch over at the hospital.

The victims here are actually three ladies, Kiko, Masako and the little princess Aiko.
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Old 07-19-2006, 02:04 AM
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Anyone has any idea how many months she actually has? I too have this suspicion that what is on the press has been prepared and they know the sex of the baby already. As I mentioned somewhere in this thread, I won't be surprised if there was at least one back up imperial baby boy growing up in a concubine's belly ready for a quick switch over at the hospital.

The victims here are actually three ladies, Kiko, Masako and the little princess Aiko.
The sad thing is that even if it is the truth that Kiko suddenly got pregnant, that she really has that placenta-problem and really has to lie low for these last weeks and that she got a boy naturally - there will always be the doubt in those people who have gotten a feeling about what the IHA and the politicians in Japan are capable when it comes to preserving tradition.

They nearly broke Michiko and Masako, they are absolutely against a law that allows females on the throne, they only accept nobility passing through the male line etc. - is that in accord with Japan's society?

To be sure: I'm glad if Aiko will be spared. And I sincerely hope that the little "lovechild", if she is spared, will grow up to be an independent business woman, marry whoever she wants and maybe even becomes a politician fighting for human/female rights in Japan!:)

So - a boy for Kiko and Aiko for activist!
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Old 07-19-2006, 09:41 AM
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http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty.../princesskiko/
the news about probably caesarean section for princess Kiko are summarised in article from Hello magazine
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Old 07-19-2006, 09:52 AM
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hopefully all turns out well. After all it's just a little baby and it's innocent. Maybe the IHA planned all this, maybe, but I don't want to assume anything I don`t know for sure. We will see how all this turns out.
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Old 07-19-2006, 11:08 AM
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Why do you want especially a girl? I hope Kiko could give birth to a healthy newborn, whichever his/her sex would be! I should like to see Kiko happy and in good health herself.

Vanesa.:)
Because I want them to get rid of this Prussian Salic Law Succession.

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The sad thing is that even if it is the truth that Kiko suddenly got pregnant, that she really has that placenta-problem and really has to lie low for these last weeks and that she got a boy naturally - there will always be the doubt in those people who have gotten a feeling about what the IHA and the politicians in Japan are capable when it comes to preserving tradition.

They nearly broke Michiko and Masako, they are absolutely against a law that allows females on the throne, they only accept nobility passing through the male line etc. - is that in accord with Japan's society?

To be sure: I'm glad if Aiko will be spared. And I sincerely hope that the little "lovechild", if she is spared, will grow up to be an independent business woman, marry whoever she wants and maybe even becomes a politician fighting for human/female rights in Japan!:)

So - a boy for Kiko and Aiko for activist!
They've had female monarchs in the past. Last one was Empress Go-Sakuramachi in the 1700s. They only barred women from the throne when they changed their system to match European ones. They used Prussia as a model I think.
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Old 07-19-2006, 01:00 PM
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I really think it will be a boy. Purely because of timing. Im also suspicious because of the age cap between Mako Kako and new sibling.If they had wanted a 3rd child why wait 11 years? I'm not against a boy, i wish for a happy baby, just find the events around the birth suspicious.
Ideally no matter what the sex ( even if it is a boy) The law will be changed for aiko to succeed. However this does not seem likely:(
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Old 07-19-2006, 01:09 PM
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Question: is there any good photo which showing good view of Kiko's belly - like it was in case of the other princesses?
(During this pregnancy I always saw her in loose jackets which doesn't good show her belly.)
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Old 07-19-2006, 03:35 PM
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The victims here are actually three ladies, Kiko, Masako and the little princess Aiko.
Five, I'd say - I feel sorry for Mako and Kako, too.
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Old 07-19-2006, 04:46 PM
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I really think it will be a boy. Purely because of timing. Im also suspicious because of the age cap between Mako Kako and new sibling.If they had wanted a 3rd child why wait 11 years? ...
I am not at all suspicious because of the age gap. What does it matter why they decided to have the 3rd child? Maybe it was not planned at all or maybe they did want a child but didn't manage to have one during all those years... Hundreds of reason.
There is a 6 years age gap between me and my brother and 19 years age gap between my cousin and his sister.
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Old 07-19-2006, 09:02 PM
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Maybe, just maybe, what Princess Kiko is going through was meant to happen to Princess Masako and she probably refused to be part of this charade. I mean, both Kiko and Masako seem happy with their kids and Kiko does not look the type that would all of the sudden get pregnant when she already has older kids.
So, my suspicion is that the Imperial Household came up with the idea to force either one to get pregnant again, the laboratory way, Masako refused and became overpowered by depression, leaving Kiko as the next easy prey. In that way the I.H. gets an Imperial Princess to give them another chance for a boy and, and at the same time, remove the rebellious Masako and her family out of the way. Just think of it, the laws to make a revision in the succesion came to a halt the moment that Kiko's pregnancy was announced.
Too suspicious for me. Too convenient for them, the Imperial Household that is.

Their behind closed doors drama is worth a movie of the week.
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Old 07-20-2006, 12:18 AM
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I pray for a smooth and trouble free delivery for Pss Kiko and all goes well for both mother and child.

Although it is possible that this was an accidential pregnacy for Pss Kiko - however the odds are against it. I think the IH has too much a part to play in this and like most members, a part of me wish the baby is a boy - so Pss Kiko, Masako and Aiko are speared but a large part of me hope the baby would be a girl and won't that be a egg in the face for those horrid IH pple!
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Old 07-20-2006, 01:00 AM
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I know, those IHA people are monsters.

Plus what "male line" are they talking about? Back then, the female and male line were the same because of interbreeding between family members! LOL!
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Old 07-20-2006, 01:32 AM
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I pray for a smooth and trouble free delivery for Pss Kiko and all goes well for both mother and child.

Although it is possible that this was an accidential pregnacy for Pss Kiko - however the odds are against it. I think the IH has too much a part to play in this and like most members, a part of me wish the baby is a boy - so Pss Kiko, Masako and Aiko are speared but a large part of me hope the baby would be a girl and won't that be a egg in the face for those horrid IH pple!

I have the feeling she probably thought she was done with her pregnancies- surprise ones do happen, but with such a large age gap between the kids, it makes me wonder how eager she was to comply with the IHA. I, too, hope the baby is a healthy one, whether it's a boy or a girl, but I wouldn't mind a girl, either . As a SE Asian female, I can honestly say that upholding tradition can be very hard to do sometimes in the face of modernity, and I truly feel for the female members of this imperial family.
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Old 07-20-2006, 08:48 AM
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Why do you want especially a girl? I hope Kiko could give birth to a healthy newborn, whichever his/her sex would be! I should like to see Kiko happy and in good health herself.
and thats how it should be.
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Old 07-20-2006, 02:15 PM
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First, I hope for a safe and healthy delivery for both mother and child.

That being said, this entire pregnancy has been unorthodox. I firmly believe that Kiko is much further along that has been reported, the pregnancy artificially brought about and that the IHA made sure that it was a boy. Legal or not, the sex of a baby can most definitely be chosen. The IHA is facing a succession crisis of monumental proportions. It's fight or flight. The birth of this child regardless of it's sex will stir up a maelstrom of trouble for all concerned. A boy would mean that either Naruhito would be pressured to give up the throne in favor of his brother (sad for Naruhito's family) or have to adopt his new nephew (sad for Akishino's family). A girl (however unlikely) would step up the pressure on Aiko. I wouldn't be suprised if the laws of succession were changed in Aiko's favor with the express stipulation that she marry into one of the other Japanese royal lines and be forced into an arranged marriage.
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:39 PM
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Sorry, but why would Crown Prince Naruhito have to adopt his nephew (if Kiko's child is indeed a boy)? Or give up the throne in favour of his brother?
If he and Crown Princess Masako will not have children in future and the succession reform will not be forwarded, his brother, Prince Akishino will just succeed him. And will be succeeded by his son, when time will come.
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
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If he and Crown Princess Masako will not have children in future and the succession reform will not be forwarded, his brother, Prince Akishino will just succeed him. And will be succeeded by his son, when time will come.
Yes, this is my understanding also. The only reason I can see Naruhito abdicating if it is a boy is to spare his little family the pressures of the Imperial life since their line won't continue. But I do agree with kimebear that I think the actual due date is probably about a month earlier than they are saying -- which is why I think the baby will be born while the CP couple is in the Netherlands and I do have some questions about the placenta previa being true or an excuse for this "early" delivery. NOT that I underestimate how serious a condition that can be, because it can be serious. I just don't trust the IHA at all.
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I have the feeling she probably thought she was done with her pregnancies- surprise ones do happen, but with such a large age gap between the kids, it makes me wonder how eager she was to comply with the IHA. I, too, hope the baby is a healthy one, whether it's a boy or a girl, but I wouldn't mind a girl, either . As a SE Asian female, I can honestly say that upholding tradition can be very hard to do sometimes in the face of modernity, and I truly feel for the female members of this imperial family.
Yes, I agree, I feel for those women too. I am getting to understand more clearly now why CP Masako was reported hesitant to marry into that entire situation in the first place (even though that was a long time ago now).

Pss. Kiko and her husband, I read, have been married for over 16 years now, is that right?
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Old 07-20-2006, 04:25 PM
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When Naruhito is the Emperor. He can request a change in the succession. And respect for the "Tenno" is a must, especially for politicians, etc.
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