lula said:Sincerely, to this I am called to exaggerate ... ... If the own First Lady of China gave her a white fabric of silk, I do not believe that it is scandalized because Letizia was taking something white
The chinese woman that is with them is wearing white, too ... and the other woman had white shoes
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This comes from the second of my posts, I will appreciate if you read the posts I write before continuing any discussion further.I am not talking about the white dress with red roses, I believe, made with silk given by the prime minister's wife of China to Letizia on a previous trip to the Canarias isles, I'm talking about the white suit she used when leaving the plane at her arrival with the Prince.
[my bolding] I've read your posts olga7777, but since Letizia wasn't offering herself as a present to the Chinese government, there can't be a problem with her wearing white.olga7777 said:I have not stated in any of the posts that wearing white is forbidden in any way, again please read my posts. What I have said is that it's considered to be an unlucky colour still today. Because of that it's recommended to business men and women and surely politicians and statesmen, not to give even nowadays presents with that colour associated to them. I refer again to my posts, that I will gladly appreciate you read before continuing this discussion.
olga7777 said:donnak in answer to your photos, they arise a question those are western bridal gowns, my query is: are traditional bridal gowns made in white?
olga7777 said:And in any case again I insist in the point of traditional and the point of view of the majority of the people in China, not just the younger generations
I stand by the articles I have brought for your consideration and as source and backing of the fact that white is still consider and unlucky colour to be avoided in certain dealings and circumstances.
olga7777 said:I believe that donnak is a usual in that forum, I may assure you that nothing of what I have wrote in here comes from that forum as already proven, but not having the same opinion as other posters doesn't mean is "trash copied from that forum", and not it does not make a worse person.
olga7777 said:Hong Kong was a British colony for a hundred years, plenty of time to have more access to customs from European culture. Taiwan is a country that has had more relations with westerns than China from at least the II World War. China has followed a different path and McDonalds arrive so to speak, a while ago. It's not the same situation.
Warren said:[my bolding] I've read your posts olga7777, but since Letizia wasn't offering herself as a present to the Chinese government, there can't be a problem with her wearing white.
Sorry, but I don't see the connection between gift-wrapping, and Letizia in a white dress.
donnak you have gladly proven my point, white is only accepted as a wedding colour in a western style wedding. Not even nowadays white is accepted in a traditional weeding because of its connotations. Proving the importance still attached to that superstition. Again I stand in the importance of being respectful with other cultures and not in any way do something that might be considered offensive by your hosts. The fact that they do not mention that incident and try not to make it feel as a mistake, only show their culture, their respect for other cultures and their level of education. Some people could learn of them.The traditional bridal gowns are only in RED, no white, no blue, no green, no pink
I'm not a regular since it gave me headaches . I happened to see this lengthy discussion in that forum after someone brought up a question on whether white clothes violating protocols in China here. I guess those talks probably had been copied to different forums before you brought it up here.
olga7777 said:donnak you have gladly proven my point, white is only accepted as a wedding colour in a western style wedding. Not even nowadays white is accepted in a traditional weeding because of its connotations. Proving the importance still attached to that superstition. Again I stand in the importance of being respectful with other cultures and not in any way do something that might be considered offensive by your hosts. The fact that they do not mention that incident and try not to make it feel as a mistake, only show their culture, their respect for other cultures and their level of education. Some people could learn of them.
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olga7777 said:Again we are not talking about daily life, we are talking about protocol and everyone knows daily life is always more casual in all aspects, protocol is always more strict.
And yes the issue of Letizia wearing white was discussed in that thread, donnak only remembers Cotilleando and not the discussion that took place in that thread. There were also comments about the tone of aggression that seems to arise when certain issues are mentioned.
I would appreciate that considering that I'm offering sources about protocol not daily life, and links to the photos mentioned, the rest of the members that question my intellectual honesty provide that and please read my posts in full.
donnaK said:I read the articles you posted. I didn't see this so called protocol that a woman can't wear white clothes at an official/business event. You were talking a protocol that never exists in the first place.
If you don't want to talk about daily life, then look at the picture I posted earlier. The mother of the bride was wearing white suit at a very high profile wedding.
Regaring Cotilleando forum, someone else had read the info from that forum and was asking the question here before.
I'm not a regular since it gave me headaches . I happened to see this lengthy discussion in that forum
donnaK said:Olga7777, what I was saying was that the posters needed to think about twice if they decided to copy from the Cotilleando forum, if you didn't copy, then I didn't talk about you. I had never said the others copied from that forum in the China trip thread. I remember someone was only asking questions back then and they had never talked about it like a fact.
You are wrong, white color doesn't apply to clothes, just like the black color doesn't apply to clothes in the USA. I already showed you the events of daily life as well as the wedding celebration (very formal, much more high profile than the visit of Felipe and Letizia) of one of the most rich and powerful family recently. The mother wouldn't have wore an unlucky color (white, as you claimed ) to her own daughter's wedding. I had many business meetings in China before, white clothes were not uncommon at the meetings with Chinese officials.
olga7777 said:In the issue of her committing some mistakes, she has made several protocol mistakes, as going first in acts she accompanies the Prince and wearing white in China (which might not have been what it would have been in the past, but nonetheless she should have reconsidered that suit)
I was brought up in Asia and to me, the wearing of white by one of the family members in that photo is a sign that there is a shift in how people perceive that color in Chinese culture.
ysbel said:Was she taking part in a traditional Chinese ceremony or was it a Western-style affair?
I imagine that if it were traditional Chinese type of affair, she would have been briefed on the correct protocol because its so different from Western protocol. If it were a Western-type of affair, then I don't think wearing white was so much a breach of protocol.
Its when you wear white in the traditional Chinese manner that it is a protocol faux-pas, I believe.
In the issue of her committing some mistakes, she has made several protocol mistakes, as going first in acts she accompanies the Prince and wearing white in China (which might not have been what it would have been in the past, but nonetheless she should have reconsidered that suit) and she has make several remarks not appropriated in several occasions....Definitely it's not as if she has harmed the country, but I have to hope she will never do anything like that
olga7777 said:May I understand for your words that the wedding was not between Chinese people but people from Taiwan? I ask that because Taiwan has had more relation with western countries and western culture than mainland China. So not sure whether it's correct to apply.
olga7777 said:As LenaT says
Saying that there is a shift means that there are a significant number of people that still follows some traditions.
olga7777 said:I have mentioned in general in my first post several protocol mistakes and I referred to the Chinese incident in particular as example. As I continued writing:
As I said in my first post that started all this, please notice the text in bold, she should have reconsidered that suit and try to be on the safe side, just in case and added in my western opinion.
I made before reference to the Starbucks incident just to give more information about how important certain traditions are in China. I have seen images of the local in TV and I could not see anything offensive in the place and there is nothing illegal on it. But my perspective is a western one and not a Chinese one.
ysbel said:What were the Chinese reactions to the white suit?