where is he losing HRH?
He isn't. He just can't use it.
where is he losing HRH?
Practically speaking, it appears the Duke of York has not been using the HRH style for a long time. It was noticed that the palace's tweet on his birthday in 2020 (after his disastrous interview but before he was sued) omitted the HRH, which had been used in previous years. The palace did not deny that the omission was intentional.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/prince-andrew-loses-hrh-title-21528005
As for the New York court, I have not read all the court papers, but the ones I did read did not use the Duke's HRH.
Judge Lewis Kaplan's verdict filed two days ago used:
https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/2022-01/21CV6702 JAN 11 2022 0900.pdf
where is he losing HRH?
The Dutch media write that he is loosing his title and I don't think that's correct. It seems that he won't use HRH for the court case (somewhat similar to H&M being forbidden to use HRH for their business endeavours) but so far neither of them has been stripped from their style.
Thanks! So he is being cited using a similar style as used for Harry in the US (cf. Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex). That brings into the question the usual claim among royal watchers that the Queen's children and their respective male line descendants should use the family name "Mountbatten-Windsor" whenever a surname is required.
The dramatic move comes hours after more than 150 military veterans wrote to the Queen to ask her to strip Andrew of his honorary military roles amid what they described as their “upset and anger”. The palace had said earlier on Thursday that it had no comment on their open letter.
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The palace had said previously that the duke’s military appointments were in abeyance after he stepped down from public duties in 2019.
But he still retained the roles, leaving eight British regiments, including the Grenadier Guards, where he had held the title of colonel, in limbo for more than two years.
His other British honorary military titles were: honorary air commodore of RAF Lossiemouth; colonel-in-chief of the Royal Irish Regiment; colonel-in-chief of the Small Arms School Corps; commodore-in-chief of the Fleet Air Arm; royal colonel of the Royal Highland Fusiliers; deputy colonel-in-chief of the Royal Lancers (Queen Elizabeths’ Own) and royal colonel of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.
The veterans say in their letter, which was partly coordinated by the campaign group Republic: “Officers of the British armed forces must adhere to the very highest standards of probity, honesty and honourable conduct.
[...]
So basically they were shamed into finally "stripping" him though their wording makes it seem like it was more voluntary. It never should have taken this long and for military leaders penning letter demanding him cut ties. It needed to be done a while ago. Glad HM finally realized it even it it seems she needed a major push --- probably from Charles and William.
The wording doesn’t really say a)that the Queen has taken them away or that b)the Duke has given them up voluntarily.
It’s sort of vague academic/ court language, designed to keep all parties somewhat happy and mollify the public.
The announcement on Harry’s military titles reverting was much more specific that the Queen wrote it to them and the titles were reverted.
This one is just vague.
Just saw the same statement. But I don't understand if it means that he will loose his HRH permanently? Or is he just going to argue this particular case as a civilian?
See this post: https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...oversy-2010-2022-a-30333-243.html#post2447224
But we can assume a surname was not required in those papers, as no surname was used.
No I find it hard to believe that he would lose his HRH.. but if he has a court case it is for him as Andrew an individual not HRH the Duke fo York......The Dutch media write that he is loosing his title and I don't think that's correct. It seems that he won't use HRH for the court case (somewhat similar to H&M being forbidden to use HRH for their business endeavours) but so far neither of them has been stripped from their style.
This announcement did come quickly. It must have been in the making long before today's outcone was known.
Why shoudl Bea and Eugenie give up their HRHs?? They have not done anything wrongActu
I think this has been an agreement among the royals and their legal and PR team for a while. I actually expected it tomorrow. Bad news is usually dropped on Fridays. But yes - I was expecting it. And personally I think it should have been done when he was removed from duties.
Also I expect Beatrice and Eugenie to also remove the HRH from their personal charity work.
Actually it was discussed that this would happen if the case failed to be thrown out. I think it is on legal advice as well as PR advice in the palace. If the case failed to be thrown out - he was going to be drop the military appointments and the titles. Personally I think this is to distance him from the monarchy during the case, more for the benefit of the Jubilee and the ongoing working of the monarchy than the trial.
I think this has been an agreement among the royals and their legal and PR team for a while. I actually expected it tomorrow. Bad news is usually dropped on Fridays. But yes - I was expecting it. And personally I think it should have been done when he was removed from duties.
Also I expect Beatrice and Eugenie to also remove the HRH from their personal charity work.
I don't either. I think that Andrew, who was very handsome when he was younger, and a naval hero, on top of being a senior Royal, is used to women falling at his feet, and, if anything did happen between him and Virginia Giuffre, I think he would have assumed that she was willing, and indeed probably that she was flattered that the great wonderful Andrew was honouring her with his attentions.
If he settles out of court, it will look like an admission of guilt. If he goes to court, he'll probably have to answer all sorts of extremely intimate and embarrassing questions, and undergo physical examinations, and it's going to be very humiliating for the Queen and the rest of the Royal Family.
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I'm pleased to see this is happening because HMQ deserves her Platinum Jubilee to be celebrated without a public outcry at the distasteful spectacle of Andrew strutting around in uniforms.
What would Beatrice and Eugenie have to drop the HRH? In western countries, punishment doesn't extend beyond the person who is found guilty of an offense. We don't do collective punishment or punish children for the sins of their fathers.
Honestly the way Beatrice and Eugenie are treated on the basis of things that happen to their parents is disgusting.
yes, especially if nit what would it mean for future events. remember DoE funeral when rumours said uniforms were banned because Harry could not wear one, so now they'd need to strip em all of because those dishonourable men in the family get more and more.
I would have said that he woudl not be using it in a US trial anyway. Thats very different from actaully losing it.He isn't. He just can't use it.
What would Beatrice and Eugenie have to drop the HRH? In western countries, punishment doesn't extend beyond the person who is found guilty of an offense. We don't do collective punishment or punish children for the sins of their fathers.
Honestly the way Beatrice and Eugenie are treated on the basis of things that happen to their parents is disgusting.
Actually it was discussed that this would happen if the case failed to be thrown out. I think it is on legal advice as well as PR advice in the palace. If the case failed to be thrown out - he was going to be drop the military appointments and the titles. Personally I think this is to distance him from the monarchy during the case, more for the benefit of the Jubilee and the ongoing working of the monarchy than the trial.
I think this has been an agreement among the royals and their legal and PR team for a while. I actually expected it tomorrow. Bad news is usually dropped on Fridays. But yes - I was expecting it. And personally I think it should have been done when he was removed from duties.
Also I expect Beatrice and Eugenie to also remove the HRH from their personal charity work.
But that is exactly my point. One would assume he would need a surname in a court procedure in the US just as Prince William (allegedly) used the surname Mountbatten-Windsor in a lawsuit in France over unauthorized photos taken of his wife as I vaguely recall. Royal naming is often a complicated matter.
I'm pleased to see this is happening because HMQ deserves her Platinum Jubilee to be celebrated without a public outcry at the distasteful spectacle of Andrew strutting around in uniforms.
I'm sorry to ask such a 'newbie' question, but does HM have the ability to 'revoke' or 'take back' the title of DoY?
I understand the rules for 'regular' peerages, but I though the 'royal dukedoms' were in the sole gift of the Monarch and she could 'giveth and taketh away' without parliamentary approval.
I'm sorry to ask such a 'newbie' question, but does HM have the ability to 'revoke' or 'take back' the title of DoY?
I understand the rules for 'regular' peerages, but I though the 'royal dukedoms' were in the sole gift of the Monarch and she could 'giveth and taketh away' without parliamentary approval.
Actually it was discussed that this would happen if the case failed to be thrown out. I think it is on legal advice as well as PR advice in the palace. If the case failed to be thrown out - he was going to be drop the military appointments and the titles. Personally I think this is to distance him from the monarchy during the case, more for the benefit of the Jubilee and the ongoing working of the monarchy than the trial.
I think this has been an agreement among the royals and their legal and PR team for a while. I actually expected it tomorrow. Bad news is usually dropped on Fridays. But yes - I was expecting it. And personally I think it should have been done when he was removed from duties.
Also I expect Beatrice and Eugenie to also remove the HRH from their personal charity work.
Are you arguing that he lost his title? I don't see how the press release (that I checked before making my statement as I was baffled that he could be stripped from those this quickly - and only by a press release) indicated that he lost his title. His titles would be 'prince' and 'Duke (of York)'; neither of which he has lost.
Probably official communication about the royal family? I believe Harry is still addressed as 'HRH the duke of Sussex' in those cases and I expect Andrew to remain 'HRH the duke of York'It is interesting that the anonymous "royal source" briefing the media on the Duke of York's HRH reportedly stated that the Duke would cease using his HRH in any official capacity. Is there some sort of unofficial capacity in which he would remain free to use it? For comparison, the agreement with the Sussexes stated simply that they would not use their HRHs.
Are you arguing that he lost his title? I don't see how the press release (that I checked before making my statement as I was baffled that he could be stripped from those this quickly - and only by a press release) indicated that he lost his title. His titles would be 'prince' and 'Duke (of York)'; neither of which he has lost.
He is at least for his court case (and probably in general) not using his style (in Dutch 'predicaat') but that is to be distinguished from his title.
I'm sorry to ask such a 'newbie' question, but does HM have the ability to 'revoke' or 'take back' the title of DoY?
I understand the rules for 'regular' peerages, but I though the 'royal dukedoms' were in the sole gift of the Monarch and she could 'giveth and taketh away' without parliamentary approval.
My understanding is, as @Osipi stated, that the only modern removals of peerages have been by Parliament (in short, German nationals who had British peerages during WWI). (Of course, if you go way back to Tudor times, the monarchs gave and rescinded titles all the time!)
The Dutch media write that he is loosing his title and I don't think that's correct. It seems that he won't use HRH for the court case (somewhat similar to H&M being forbidden to use HRH for their business endeavours) but so far neither of them has been stripped from their style.
Are you arguing that he lost his title? I don't see how the press release (that I checked before making my statement as I was baffled that he could be stripped from those this quickly - and only by a press release) indicated that he lost his title.
All Prince Andrew's roles have been returned to the Queen with immediate effect, and will be redistributed to other members of the Royal Family, a Royal Source said.
He will stop using the title 'His Royal Highness' in any official capacity, they added.
His titles would be 'prince' and 'Duke (of York)'; neither of which he has lost.
He is at least for his court case (and probably in general) not using his style (in Dutch 'predicaat') but that is to be distinguished from his title.