The Duke & Duchess of Sussex with Oprah III - Post-Interview, March 9th 2021 -

[Alisa]

I don't know if that has already been discussed (only saw the news now), but apparently Piers Morgan has been canceled after saying he didn't believe a word of what Meghan said about her mental health.

He has had it for Meghan since that fateful night that she ghosted him. He was way out of line and I'm glad that Alex gave him a proper dressing down on GMB.

 

[Osipi]

Meghan said that she went to one of the "most senior palace officials'" and asked if she could go somewhere to get help and was denied because it was not a good look. Meghan also said that she went to the HR department and said plainly "I need help" and was denied. Such a response for all intents and purposes needs to be investigated- if what Meghan says turns out to be true then there needs to be alot of work done on revamping policies and procedures
for when a member of the royal family needs and is seeking help.

I just can't perceive why Meghan would need to go to anybody at all to seek private, professional help. Does the palace actually arrange all the royal's personal medical visits? If she wanted to "go somewhere" as in an extended stay somewhere not local or out of the country, it stands to reason that the request would be denied. Logistics and security concerns would be involved. Going to a local professional, I don't believe she'd need "palace approval" at all.

Makes me believe that she wanted something specific that wasn't a good idea. Not because she was actually denied professional help.

 

[sophie25]

I just can't perceive why Meghan would need to go to anybody at all to seek private, professional help. Does the palace actually arrange all the royal's personal medical visits? If she wanted to "go somewhere" as in an extended stay somewhere not local or out of the country, it stands to reason that the request would be denied. Logistics and security concerns would be involved. Going to a local professional, I don't believe she'd need "palace approval" at all.

Makes me believe that she wanted something specific that wasn't a good idea. Not because she was actually denied professional help.

Harry sought and received medical help for his mental health issues and he was happy to inform us about it. Why then did Meghan say she was stopped from doing the same?

 

[Princess_Eleanor]

The Earl Spencer and his older children...with whom Harry was once close...have been markedly close mouthed ever since Harry met Meghan. I would LOVE to hear from Earl Spencer.

Diana's sisters were in Archie's christening picture but Earl Spencer was not.

 

[Gawin]

Piers Morgan has left ITV's Good Morning Britain following a row over comments he made about Meghan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56334082

By golly, I guess every cloud does have a silver lining!!

 

[TLLK]

Meghan said that she went to one of the "most senior palace officials'" and asked if she could go somewhere to get help and was denied because it was not a good look. Meghan also said that she went to the HR department and said plainly "I need help" and was denied. Such a response for all intents and purposes needs to be investigated- if what Meghan says turns out to be true then there needs to be alot of work done on revamping policies and procedures
for when a member of the royal family needs and is seeking help.

I do not understand why you believe that any member of the British royal family would go to the Buckingham Palace Human Resources office if they had a problem with their health be it physical, dental or mental. They would simply contact their healthcare provider for a referral. They have access to the best and most discreet care in the nation. Palace staff would be the ones to contact the Human Relations department as they're the paid employees of the palace from the gardener all the way up to the Queen's Private Secretary.



As far as I know those members of the family who have sought mental healthcare treatment ie the late Diana, Princess of Wales, the Duke of Sussex sought treatment via their medical healthcare provider or by contacting a psychiatrist or therapist.



I understand that is what the Duchess of Sussex chose to do, but honestly her better choice would have been to contact her primary care specialist which would have likely been at that time her OB/GYN.

 

[Somebody]

Meghan said that she went to one of the "most senior palace officials'" and asked if she could go somewhere to get help and was denied because it was not a good look. Meghan also said that she went to the HR department and said plainly "I need help" and was denied. Such a response for all intents and purposes needs to be investigated- if what Meghan says turns out to be true then there needs to be alot of work done on revamping policies and procedures
for when a member of the royal family needs and is seeking help.

I agree that it should be looked into but given how Meghan has been willing to paint various pictures by twisting the truth, it is hard to know what the outcome of such an investigation would be. It seems that this is not the issue that is on top of mind of the Firm (the race allegations are), so my reasoning was that it could be that it has already been clarified, i.e., they already talked to the staff members involved and know what happened. And the fact that apparently Harry did not take it up with someone is the thing I find hardest to understand; if she really needed help; why didn't he fight for her? Did she first approach staff before she talked to her husband? Or did Harry let her fend for herself?

In general, it seems they might need to look into the role of 'the principals' within the royal household given both this instance and the bullying allegations.

 

[QueenMathilde]

What a pleasant surprise!

Meh. He's been fired for controversies before and he always gets rehired. Maybe in the US again or Australia.

 

[ACO]

He has had it for Meghan since that fateful night that she ghosted him. He was way out of line and I'm glad that Alex gave him a proper dressing down on GMB.

The Times is hinting that in addition to ITV being slammed with 40K+ complaints about Piers dismissing Meghan's mental health, but apparently Meghan issued a formal complaint. The network wanted Piers to make a public apology and he refused. ITV is known for their mental health campaign, so this was an awful look. They had to do something so it is not surprising they parted ways.

Meh. He's been fired for controversies before and he always gets rehired. Maybe in the US again or Australia.

He was booted from USA TV. He is not respected here whatsoever. I would be surprised but I can see him joining that recently announced news network that was announced.

 

[HighGoalHighDreams]

I think dear Harry is engaging in a bit of cognitive dissonance. Any number of people may have advised The Queen that having Harry visit her during his return was not a good idea. No one stopped her from seeing him. No one told her to pick up the phone and tell him that she had a week of engagements she hadn't realized were on.

Sitting in California, realizing he may only ever see her a few more times in this life, I'm sure it is easier to tell himself that Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, who has held audience with some of history's most formidable figures (and is one herself) did not sit there and make her own decision not to see him. I believe that he himself believes this.

 

[texankitcat]

I do not understand why you believe that any member of the British royal family would go to the Buckingham Palace Human Resources office if they had a problem with their health be it physical, dental or mental. They would simply contact their healthcare provider for a referral. They have access to the best and most discreet care in the nation. Palace staff would be the ones to contact the Human Relations department as they're the paid employees of the palace from the gardener all the way up to the Queen's Private Secretary.

As far as I know those members of the family who have sought mental healthcare treatment ie the late Diana, Princess of Wales, the Duke of Sussex sought treatment via their medical healthcare provider or by contacting a psychiatrist or therapist.

I understand that is what the Duchess of Sussex chose to do, but honestly her better choice would have been to contact her primary care specialist which would have likely been at that time her OB/GYN.

Exactly! So much of what she stated in that interview doesn’t add up and yet so few are questioning many of her statements. Here she is allegedly having a mental crises and contemplating suicide and yet her husband couldn’t help her or pick up the phone and call the family physician? No senior Royal would seek out H.R for medical advise. It makes zero sense and Harry’s lack of any action raises many ,ore questions. None of it adds up,

 

[TLLK]

Exactly! So much of what she stated in that interview doesn’t add up and yet so few are questioning many of her statements. Here she is allegedly having a mental crises and contemplating suicide and yet her husband couldn’t help her or pick up the phone and call the family physician? No senior Royal would seek out H.R for medical advise. It makes zero sense and Harry’s lack of any action raises many ,ore questions. None of it adds up,

And I would expect that the Duchess did not contact BP HR for a reference when she was seeking an OB/GYN. I expect that she may have asked friends ie: Diana's former close friend or others for a well respected and discreet doctor to care for her during her pregnancy and delivery. Likewise she would have checked out the local hospitals and ultimately decided upon the Portland Hospital.

 

[Lucy Scot]

I do not understand why you believe that any member of the British royal family would go to the Buckingham Palace Human Resources office if they had a problem with their health be it physical, dental or mental. They would simply contact their healthcare provider for a referral. They have access to the best and most discreet care in the nation. Palace staff would be the ones to contact the Human Relations department as they're the paid employees of the palace from the gardener all the way up to the Queen's Private Secretary.

Meghan contacted the Human Resources Department after she was denied help after asking for help from higher ups in the "institution" (she did not say who in the institution). She was a working royal at the time. She said she did it because she thought it would be similar to what is done in the United States (most companies have an Employee Assistance Program). I believe she said it would be similar to going to the actors union which must have an Employee Assistance Program that she would have gone to when she was an actress.

 

[UglyAmerican]

roseroyal said (in the prior thread):

“Whoa.. I thought the Queen ran the show. Sounds like there’s one person running the show and the Queen and whoever they are they need to go!”

Yes, Harry was referring to the men in gray who told the Queen to cancel her lunch with Harry.

For those who did not watch the video, Harry said he was invited by the Queen to have lunch and dinner with her when he arrived back in England. When he got there, he got a message that the lunch and dinner with Granny were cancelled. He called her from Frogmore Cottage and she told him that she had a meeting that she had forgotten about. When he asked about the rest of the week, she told him that she was too busy to see him. Harry said he did not push her because he knew what was happening. That it was regrettable that she was taking the advice of others and it made him sad because some of the advice was really bad.

This story was reported in the newspapers at the time and it was said that the men in gray were afraid that the Queen might agree to some of Harry’s wishes about his stepping away from royal duties because she is a softie when it comes to her grandchildren.

I agree with Harry that it is a sad story that he was prevented from seeing his grandmother.

This would indeed be very sad if it had happened, but it's one of the most obvious untruths they told in that interview. Sure, the men in gray might have strongly advised against her meeting with Harry, and fear that she'd give in to him might have been the reason why. But how could they have stopped her? By ordering her not to and then firing her and promoting Charles to King if she did it anyway? That's not how the monarchy works, and Harry knows that. Assuming he's correct that there wasn't a legitimate conflict, then she chose not to meet with him because she didn't want to meet with him. Whether that was right or wrong of her might be a fair question, but to claim she was forced is simply a lie.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

Meghan contacted the Human Resources Department after she was denied help after asking for help from higher ups in the "institution" (she did not say who in the institution). She was a working royal at the time. She said she did it because she thought it would be similar to what is done in the United States (most companies have an Employee Assistance Program). I believe she said it would be similar to going to the actors union which must have an Employee Assistance Program that she would have gone to when she was an actress.

I understand but that doesn't explain why she wouldn't go to her husband or why he didn't see that she needed help. Perhaps their marriage is not as good as they claim.

 

[Princess_Eleanor]

I think dear Harry is engaging in a bit of cognitive dissonance. Any number of people may have advised The Queen that having Harry visit her during his return was not a good idea. No one stopped her from seeing him. No one told her to pick up the phone and tell him that she had a week of engagements she hadn't realized were on.

Sitting in California, realizing he may only ever see her a few more times in this life, I'm sure it is easier to tell himself that Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, who has held audience with some of history's most formidable figures (and is one herself) did not sit there and make her own decision not to see him. I believe that he himself believes this.

Harry appears to tell himself & believe all sorts of things. It is also incredibly disrespectful to publicly suggest that the Queen, a monarch of almost 70 years, is a lovely granny but incapable of making her own decisions. So she is basically well-meaning but ill-advised.

I agree, that's certainly an easier and more convenient conclusion for Harry than examining his own actions critically.

What kind of advice is he listening or not listening to? What kind of logic does he use when making decisions and how come he does not plan ahead for anything, from finances to security etc?

 

[UglyAmerican]

Meghan contacted the Human Resources Department after she was denied help after asking for help from higher ups in the "institution" (she did not say who in the institution). She was a working royal at the time. She said she did it because she thought it would be similar to what is done in the United States (most companies have an Employee Assistance Program). I believe she said it would be similar to going to the actors union which must have an Employee Assistance Program that she would have gone to when she was an actress.

I'd still like more information about what "denied help" meant. Ok, so she was advised against going to a residential facility. (And that's all it was - no matter what she claims, there's no way anyone would have physically stopped her from doing it.) What had she done by way of seeking help up until that point, and what other options did she consider? Did she arrange for someone to visit her at her home on a daily basis? She easily could have. Did she consider non-residential outside treatment? She said nothing about being prevented from doing that. If she'd done all that and felt it wasn't working, then maybe it would be reasonable to get upset when denied the next step up. But she didn't even hint at any of that. From what she's said, it appears she wasn't interested in anything other than inpatient treatment, and wasn't willing to try other options either before or after making that request.

 

[Lucy Scot]

The Times is hinting that in addition to ITV being slammed with 40K+ complaints about Piers dismissing Meghan's mental health, but apparently Meghan issued a formal complaint. The network wanted Piers to make a public apology and he refused. ITV is known for their mental health campaign, so this was an awful look. They had to do something so it is not surprising they parted ways.

Many people (including Piers) are saying that they do not believe Meghan. She said in the interview that she emailed requests for help. It could be that she saved those emails. Just in case, you know.

 

[SOS]

I just feel that the moment Harry no longer supports "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets" he will be in trouble. Hopefully, I'm wrong because it seems both Harry and Meghan are vulnerable right now.

 

[TLLK]

Meghan contacted the Human Resources Department after she was denied help after asking for help from higher ups in the "institution" (she did not say who in the institution). She was a working royal at the time. She said she did it because she thought it would be similar to what is done in the United States (most companies have an Employee Assistance Program). I believe she said it would be similar to going to the actors union which must have an Employee Assistance Program that she would have gone to when she was an actress.

I'm very glad that EAPs exist. However Meghan was not an "employee." Neither is HM, the DoE, the PoW, etc...


The members of the British Royal Family who undertake official duties and engagements on behalf of the monarchy and the UK are not considered to be employees of Buckingham Palace.


When Meghan needed an OB/GYN to provide her care during her pregnancy and for her delivery, she would not have gone through the BP Human Resources.

 

[Sunnystar]

Many people (including Piers) are saying that they do not believe Meghan. She said in the interview that she emailed requests for help. It could be that she saved those emails. Just in case, you know.

Well, if she emailed someone within "the institution" then surely those emails exist, on some server, somewhere... Not that BP is likely to ever let them leak.

 

[UglyAmerican]

Many people (including Piers) are saying that they do not believe Meghan. She said in the interview that she emailed requests for help. It could be that she saved those emails. Just in case, you know.

If there's a paper trail, the palace looked at it before releasing the statement that didn't address that issue at all. Whatever proof she might have, she didn't share it with Oprah or her viewers (nor should she have, IMHO), so Morgan wouldn't have been aware of it. If someone can't live with the fact that not everyone is going to believe rather outrageous claims they made in an interview during which they provably lied about several other things, that someone should probably stop trying to make a career out of talking about themselves on international media.

 

[Queen Ester]

Well, if she emailed someone within "the institution" then surely those emails exist, on some server, somewhere... Not that BP is likely to ever let them leak.

Well, Meghan would have certainly saved them.

 

[AC21091968]

I know not everyone likes TalkRadio and Mike Graham, but I think this caller raise some very good points after watching the Oprah's interview. He has changed his mind from criticising Meghan for being unaware of what she is signing up to blaming Harry for not explaining and preparing her for the role of senior working royals. I think some posters would agree with him as well.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1369254769076953088

Here is a tweet from Mahyar Tousi a conservative commentator on Harry & Meghan's interview:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1369043988775370753

He also weighed in the Piers Morgan's situation in his Youtube livestream, where he could also answer viewers' question. He is mixed about the sacking of Piers Morgan and I think this applies to most conservatives.

 

[Lucy Scot]

I'd still like more information about what "denied help" meant. Ok, so she was advised against going to a residential facility. (And that's all it was - no matter what she claims, there's no way anyone would have physically stopped her from doing it.) What had she done by way of seeking help up until that point, and what other options did she consider? Did she arrange for someone to visit her at her home on a daily basis? She easily could have. Did she consider non-residential outside treatment? She said nothing about being prevented from doing that. If she'd done all that and felt it wasn't working, then maybe it would be reasonable to get upset when denied the next step up. But she didn't even hint at any of that. From what she's said, it appears she wasn't interested in anything other than inpatient treatment, and wasn't willing to try other options either before or after making that request.

I don't think it is totally clear that she wanted residential treatment. In the interview she said:

"And I was — I went to the institution, and I said that I needed to go somewhere to get help. I said that, ‘I’ve never felt this way before, and I need to go somewhere’. And I was told that I couldn’t, that it wouldn’t be good for the institution. And I called . . . "

Maybe going somewhere meant going to a doctor's office. Although it would certainly be more sensational (and possibly discoverable) if she went into a treatment facility.

 

[Princess_Eleanor]

Many people (including Piers) are saying that they do not believe Meghan. She said in the interview that she emailed requests for help. It could be that she saved those emails. Just in case, you know.

I believe that Meghan had mental health problems; I don't know if I believe that staff at the palace refused to get her help. Again, I also don't understand why her husband - who has been to therapy himself and works on mental health campaigns - did not get her help.

If she has e-mails that prove it, I think she should show them.

Piers is ridiculous. It serves him right that he had to leave ITV, he was incredibly unprofessional (and not just by storming off because someone countered his arguments) but he would also never let Susanna speak.

 

[UglyAmerican]

I don't think it is totally clear that she wanted residential treatment. In the interview she said:

"And I was — I went to the institution, and I said that I needed to go somewhere to get help. I said that, ‘I’ve never felt this way before, and I need to go somewhere’. And I was told that I couldn’t, that it wouldn’t be good for the institution. And I called . . . "

Maybe going somewhere meant going to a doctor's office. Although it would certainly be more sensational (and possibly discoverable) if she went into a treatment facility.

Maybe, but I think it's still fair to ask what options that didn't involve "going somewhere" she'd explored and exhausted before deciding that she absolutely had to "go somewhere." They have their own staff doctors, and she was fortunate to have the means to arrange 24/7 in-home care and supervision if she thought she needed it. If she didn't do any of that, then telling her to try that first seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[Lucy Scot]

I'm very glad that EAPs exist. However Meghan was not an "employee." Neither is HM, the DoE, the PoW, etc...


The members of the British Royal Family who undertake official duties and engagements on behalf of the monarchy and the UK are not considered to be employees of Buckingham Palace.


When Meghan needed an OB/GYN to provide her care during her pregnancy and for her delivery, she would not have gone through the BP Human Resources.

I'm not arguing that she was an employee (or as Human Resources said, a paid employee). Just that that was her thought process to go to them when she was denied help by someone high up in the institution.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

I'm not arguing that she was an employee (or as Human Resources said, a paid employee). Just that that was her thought process to go to them when she was denied help by someone high up in the institution.

Again, I understand. She was depressed and sometimes depressed people can't problem solve. Perhaps there is some truth to her complaints and the palace should ensure that HR people have proper training on how to handle mental health concerns that anyone brings them.

However, I feel that their fixation on mistakes made by palace staff, who are human, is an attempt to avoid responsibility. Meghan talks about losing her keys, her passport, etc. - i can understand that those policies left her vulnerable. I can also understand why she felt trapped when staff was discouraging from going out (even if they did it with good intentions).

Even if the staff could have handled it better, so could Harry - and to some extent Meghan. Why weren't they communicating, why didn't he notice, etc. This apparently went on for weeks. The staff probably only spent a few minutes with her a day. Her husband, presumably, saw her more often and knew her better.

Harry should have been looking out for her as she was adjusting to her new family and role. He didn't. Yet, he has taken no responsibility and instead has allowed Meghan and others to blame nameless staff who can't adequately defend themselves.

 

[texankitcat]

Yes, it is the equivalent of when people say "Mistakes were made", instead of apologizing and admitting guilt. It shows a lack of sincerity and understanding. Not a good look.

The entire interview was 100% focused on drama, shocking statements and doing as much damage as possible, while holding themselves completely blameless and absolute victims of the evil racist BRF. They quite literally could care less what this does to the BRF, they only care that they get sympathy and turn public opinion for them and against the BRF.

There is a lot of manure to pick through with the pile that was dumped by the Sussex’s and the BRF deserves the right to pick through it as they see fit. As much as Meghan and Harry want the public to believe their version of the truth, there is a family and staff which also has a truth which they cannot air in public. I am sure Harry and his wife will be dealt with in the manner they deserve, but privately.


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