State visit from Spain to the Netherlands: 16-18 April, 2024


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Can't wait for Maxima to shine. Felipe and Willem-Alexander are such good friends, it's always nice to see them together.
 
A question stays on air: will Amalia, Alexia, Constantijn and Laurentien (or perhaps Margriet and Pieter van Vollenhoven) attend the banquet?
 
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A question stays on air: will Amalia, Alexia, Constantijn and Laurentien (or perhaps Margriet and Pieter van Vollenhoven) attend the banquet?

I expect Amalia to attend.
 
If and when the visit occurs I expect Beatrix to attend too. Each time we predicted Amalia's presence she was absent, so I am not counting on it but it would be a nice surprise. For now nothing is announced on the website of the royal house.
 
Mid April is a lovely time for a State Visit with Spring in bloom!
 
Unfortunately I didn't nothing at the calendar of the Dutch Royal House yet.
 
Oh this should be lovely! I expect a healthy turnout from the DRF considering its a monarchy-to-monarchy visit.
 
State Visit of Their Majesties the King and Queen to the Netherlands

Their Majesties the King and Queen will make a State Visit to the Netherlands on April 17 and 18, in response to the invitation of His Majesty the King of the Netherlands.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs, European Union and Cooperation, José Manuel Albares, will accompany Their Majesties the King and Queen on this trip.


State visit by the King and Queen of Spain​

At the invitation of His Majesty the King, His Majesty King Felipe VI of Spain will pay a state visit to the Netherlands on Wednesday 17 and Thursday 18 April. King Felipe will be accompanied by Her Majesty Queen Letizia.

 
State Visit of Their Majesties the King and Queen to the Netherlands

Their Majesties the King and Queen will make a State Visit to the Netherlands on April 17 and 18, in response to the invitation of His Majesty the King of the Netherlands.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs, European Union and Cooperation, José Manuel Albares, will accompany Their Majesties the King and Queen on this trip.


State visit by the King and Queen of Spain​

At the invitation of His Majesty the King, His Majesty King Felipe VI of Spain will pay a state visit to the Netherlands on Wednesday 17 and Thursday 18 April. King Felipe will be accompanied by Her Majesty Queen Letizia.

Look forward, this should be an interesting state visit.
 
Again only a 2 days State Visit. Pity that this seems to become more and more the Norm.
 
An Honour of sorts!Absolutely,two dear dear friends.
 
Also Felipe's first Golden Fleece to another monarch. So far he had only awarded two
 
An honour indeed, the most prestigious order of Europe, if not the world. It was founded the dukes of Burgundy and initially mainly had knights from their lands in Burgundy and the Low Countries. The most important families of the region are represented: Nassau, Egmond, Croÿ, Ligne, Lannoy, Arenberg, Horne, Borssele, Gruuthuse, etc.

The King's mother of couse has the golden Fleece, but so do other anscestors or predecessors: Engelbert II of Nassau-Breda, Henry III of Nassau-Breda, Philibert of Chalôn, Prince of Orange, René de Chalôn, prince of Orange, and of course William the Silent himself. And all the previous Kings too: William I, II, III and the unfortunate Crown Prince William (Nicholas). In 1924 Prince (Consort) Hendrik also received the Golden Fleece.
 
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Does King Willem-Alexander have the order of Carlos III? Or will he get both?
 
According to this overview on wikipedia he is Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Isabella the Catholic (Máxima is Dame Grand Cross of the same order):


Beatrix is both Dame Grand Cross of the Order of Isabella the Catholic and Dame of the Order of the Golden Fleece, so assuming that same example will be followed: Willem-Alexander will not get the Order of Carlos III.
 
I have serious doubts about this information, the normal thing is that the monarchs first receive the necklace of the Order of Charles III, and on the next visit receive the Golden Fleece. As long as there is no official information, I would not consider it true.
 
That is clearly not how it worked for the previous Dutch monarch - she never received the Order of Carlos III but received the Order of the Golden Fleece on the first opportunity after she became queen (5 years after becoming queen during her state visit to Spain; weeks before becoming queen she had received the Order of Isabella the Catholic (during the very last state visit hosted by queen Juliana, her mother)); so, I see little reason why Spain wouldn't follow the same path for her son.
 
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Does King Willem-Alexander have the order of Carlos III? Or will he get both?
Hopefully yes. If Willem Alexander and Maxima will have the Order of Carlos III, Amalia will get the Order of Isabel la Católica, as did Margriet, Pieter, Constantijn and Laurentien.

That is clearly not how it worked for the previous Dutch monarch - she never received the Order of Carlos III but received the Order of the Golden Fleece on the first opportunity after she became queen (5 years after becoming queen during her state visit to Spain; weeks before becoming queen she had received the Order of Isabella the Catholic (during the very last state visit hosted by queen Juliana, her mother)); so, I see little reason why Spain wouldn't follow the same path for her son.
Strange.
Here some examples:
Queen Juliana and Prince Bernhard received in 1980 and Prince Claus in 1985
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Bernhard and Claus were spouses; so, they aren't a point of reference for Willem-Alexander. It's indeed interesting that apparently, Juliana did not get the Golden Fleece but Carlos III (she doesn't seem to have Isabella la Católica). Of course, for most of her reign there was no reigning royal house in Spain but she did receive them just before her abdication... I wonder whether that might have been taking into account into not granting her the Golden Fleece?!
 
As I anticipated, he has been given the Collar of the Order of Carlos III, he will receive the Golden Fleece when he visits Spain.

Royal Decree 349/2024, of March 26, by which the Collar of the Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Carlos III is granted to His Majesty King Willem Alexander of the Netherlands.

Royal Decree 350/2024, of March 26, by which the Grand Cross of the Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Carlos III is awarded to Her Majesty Queen Máxima of the Netherlands.
 
I wonder if the Princess of Orange will receive a Spanish Order?
 
I wonder if the Princess of Orange will receive a Spanish Order?
I guess not and also i guess that she will not participate in the State Visit.

Hopefully yes. If Willem Alexander and Maxima will have the Order of Carlos III, Amalia will get the Order of Isabel la Católica, as did Margriet, Pieter, Constantijn and Laurentien.
Constantijn and Laurentien have no spanish orders yet and i'm not sure that they will get Isabela de Catholic as Carl Philip and Sofia of Sweden and Joachim and Marie in Denmark both didn't get them but a lower Order.
 
Amalia will need to attend the visit for that I imagine, and I am not sure that she will. In fact I would be rather surprised if she did. One can wonder what is the value of her receiving an order at all, a 20 y/o girl, for merely attending a state banquet [same goes for Constantijn and Laurentien, were they to receive an order]. It feels rather like an operetta in this day and age.

Bernhard and Claus were spouses; so, they aren't a point of reference for Willem-Alexander. It's indeed interesting that apparently, Juliana did not get the Golden Fleece but Carlos III (she doesn't seem to have Isabella la Católica). Of course, for most of her reign there was no reigning royal house in Spain but she did receive them just before her abdication... I wonder whether that might have been taking into account into not granting her the Golden Fleece?!

I am not sure they already awarded the Golden Fleece to women at that time. That is perhaps an explanation why Prince Hendrik did and his wife Queen Wilhelmina did not receive the Golden Fleece. Though the prince did visit Spain while Wilhelmina did not.

So what did the prince receive the GF for? He received it during an [incognito] visit to Spain in March 1924. Despite the incognito he was received ont he station of Madrid -where he travelled after disembarking in Barcelona- by King Alphonso XIII himself.

The King escorted him to the Ritz hotel. During a visit to the palace in the afternoon the Prince received the GF, after which he attended a bull fight. In the evening he received the Dutch special envoy Mr. Maurits van Vollenhoven and his wife Christina de Borbón y Madan, daughter of the duke of Durcal.

During this visit King Alphonso also awarded the following orders: grand cross of Isabella the Catholic to the official envoy Jhr. Mr. Snouck van Hurgronje. The adjudants of the prince, Jhr. von Mühlen and Jhr. Laman Trip, received the star of the military order of merit. The next days the prince visited various museums in Madrid and Toledo. The visit ended by a gala dinner in the Ritz, organized by yet another envoy Jhr. Melvill and attended by the King and Queen, and a visit to the Opera.

I found a letter in a Dutch newspaper at the time (Amstelbode) where a reference was made to the research of former Minister of War and military historian Lieutenant General Frederik Sabron, who claimed that the reinstated Kingdom of the Netherlands in 1815, covering nearly all of the Burgandian lands, had as much right to reinstate the Golden Fleece as the Austrian and Spanish monarchs had. Thank goodness King Willem I thought otherwise.

Source: Delpher

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Supposedly Queen Beatrix was the first female knight of the Golden Fleece in 1985. As all our Kings [Wilhelmina 'via' her husband] received the GF I imagine that Juliana or Bernhard may have received it had they made a return state visit ot Spain.

I believe the Austrian GF has never been awarded to an Orange-Nassau since the order split after the accession of Philip V. For that order the recipient needs to be a catholic.
 
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Constantijn and Laurentien have no spanish orders yet and i'm not sure that they will get Isabela de Catholic as Carl Philip and Sofia of Sweden and Joachim and Marie in Denmark both didn't get them but a lower Order.
I wonder if they will participate in the State Visit?
 
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