Death of Queen Elizabeth II - Pre-Funeral Discussion and Reception


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fandesacs2003 said:
To take short the long story, the only royal families who brought 3 people were Greece, Jordan and Spain (I saw King Juan Carlos but not Q Sophia)

Another question : anyone from Germany or Austria?

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The Netherlands also brought 3 people.


I will wake up early in the morning tomorrow to watch the State Funeral. I'm glad my country has the same time-zone as England.
 
Where are Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise, and James?
It makes no sense that the Sussexes and Peter Philips are there but not the rest of the grandchildren.
 
From Germany: Bundespräsident Steinmeier and wife.
 
The commital service being televised must have changed because I swear I'd read initially that the proceedings at Windsor were private and that all that would be televised was the funeral itself. Hmm.
 
Sister Morphine said:
The commital service being televised must have changed because I swear I'd read initially that the proceedings at Windsor were private and that all that would be televised was the funeral itself. Hmm.
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The second part of the proceedings at Windsor are private, these plans have been in place for a number of years.

I think the committal has been confused with burial in some quarters.
 
Alisa said:
Where are Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise, and James?
It makes no sense that the Sussexes and Peter Philips are there but not the rest of the grandchildren.
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They aren't part of the procession, but I'm sure they will be there. Princess Alexandra wasn't included in the procession either. I'm not sure what the logic is behind who is part of the procession and who is not, but, apart from the inclusion of George, Charlotte and Prince Michael of Kent, it's the exact same group of people who stood at in the center of Westminster Hall on Wednesday before the start of the lying-in-state.

The order of service clearly states that everyone is to remain seated until the stewards motion for them to leave, so I would guess that the rest of the grandchildren, their spouses, and great-grandchildren in attendance will be the first invited to leave.
 
Blog Real said:
Empress Masako will also be attending the funeral, but she was not at the Buckingham Palace reception today.
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I don't know how the Empress is feeling these days (I understand her mental health has greatly improved), but we have seen something similar before. For example, at King Willem-Alexander's inauguration, then CP Naruhito attended the gala dinner at the Rijksmuseum alone, but CP Masako was present with her husband at the enthronement ceremony the following day at the Nieuwe Kerk, if I recall it correctly.

Maybe it is a Japanese cultural thing about the role of women. Expert members like Prisma may be more qualified to explain it.
 
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Hallo girl said:
The second part of the proceedings at Windsor are private, these plans have been in place for a number of years.

I think the committal has been confused with burial in some quarters.
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That's probably it. Thank you for the clarification. ?
 
Gawin said:
The RF has a very difficult and emotional day ahead.

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Not to mention physically exhausting. Walking from the Abbey all the way up to Hyde Park Corner (including a rather steep road from Buckingham Palace to the Wellington Arch) is no small feat for a 73-year-old like the King and it is not like he is having today to rest (quite the contrary). And then they also have the procession and service at Windsor, which will be far more emotional, I imagine.
 
Mbruno said:
Not to mention physically exhausting. Walking from the Abbey all the way up to Hyde Park Corner (including a rather steep road from Buckingham Palace to the Wellington Arch) is no small feat for a 73-year-old like the King and it is not like he is having today to rest (quite the contrary). And then they also have the procession and service at Windsor, which will be far more emotional, I imagine.
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I did it the other night and literally bombed it to get out of the crowds. But air ain’t 74 and if my parents were there although they could do it quite easily, I would go slow. One thing though constitution hill isn’t steep it’s flat? And the Mall is an easy walk.


Charles has aged a decade this week.
 
FigTree said:
I did it the other night and literally bombed it to get out of the crowds. But air ain’t 74 and if my parents were there although they could do it quite easily, I would go slow. One thing though constitution hill isn’t steep it’s flat? And the Mall is an easy walk.


Charles has aged a decade this week.
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It is a hill, so not exactly flat, isn't it ? Perceptions may vary.
 
I think Empress Masako and her medical team are focused on maintaining her physical condition for the state funeral. While I would have loved to see her at the reception, it makes no sense to risk becoming fatigued or anxious from the reception and then missing the main event.

Her doctors' statement from her last birthday said Masako's condition fluctuates despite improvement in general. She gets fatigued and has other symptoms after long events or a series of events in a short time span.

Emperor Naruhito entering the reception with the Dutch royals. Bhutan, Luxembourg and Monaco royals follow.
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Emperor Naruhito conveyed condolences from himself, Empress Masako, Emperor Emeritus Akihito and Empress Emerita Michiko to the King and his wife.

The Emperor also met with Princess Anne, the eldest daughter of the late Queen, Dutch King Willem-Alexander and his wife, South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol and French President Emmanuel Macron.
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Mbruno said:
It is a hill, so not exactly flat, isn't it ? Perceptions may vary.
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Meh, it’s pretty flat. Or else I am way fitter than a I think I am. I mean London isn’t really that flat a city but it isn’t hilly either.
 
Alisa said:
Where are Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise, and James?
It makes no sense that the Sussexes and Peter Philips are there but not the rest of the grandchildren.
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They won't be in the procession as they are :

a) female
b) underage

The Sussex's are the son and daughter-in-law of the King and the third most senior couple in the country. Whether working royals or not that is the case.

Peter Philips is male as are most of the procession (other than Princess Anne) from the Hall to WA.

Note that there is also no mention of Sarah Chatto or The Duchess of Gloucester or Princess Michael of Kent or Princess Alexandra.

They will all be there - just seated before the coffin arrives.

What will happen is:

1. The extended royal family will arrive and be seated other than those who are to join the procession at the door of the Abbey. This will be most of the ladies and all of the minor family members.

2. Meanwhile the coffin will be moved from the Hall to the Abbey and will have a similar following to that the other day (I am not sure if the Duke of Kent and Prince Michael of Kent will walk from the Hall to the Abbey or simply join the procession when the procession reaches the Abbey along with Camilla, Catherine, George, Charlotte, who is too young to wander into the Abbey and sit alone until her parents arrive, and Meghan).

3. Then the procession as listed in the Order of Service will form and escort the coffin through the Abbey for the service.
 
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Iluvbertie said:
They won't be in the procession as they are :

a) female
b) underage


The Sussex's are the son and daughter-in-law of the King and the third most senior couple in the country. Whether working royals or not that is the case.

Peter Philips is male as are most of the procession (other than Princess Anne). He will be in the procession from Westminster Hall to the Abbey as he was the other day from BP to the Hall.

Note that there is also no mention of Sarah Chatto or The Duchess of Gloucester or Princess Michael of Kent or Princess Alexandra.

They will all be there - just seated before the coffin arrives.

1. The extended royal family will arrive and be seated other than those who are to join the procession at the door of the Abbey.

2. Meanwhile the coffin will be moved from the Hall to the Abbey and will have a similar following to that the other day (I am not sure if the Duke of Kent and Prince Michael of Kent will walk from the Hall to the Abbey or simply join the procession at that point).

3. Then the procession as listed in the Order of Service will form and escort the coffin through the Abbey for the service.
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Charlotte is also all of those things.
 
Sunnystar said:
They aren't part of the procession, but I'm sure they will be there. Princess Alexandra wasn't included in the procession either. I'm not sure what the logic is behind who is part of the procession and who is not, but, apart from the inclusion of George, Charlotte and Prince Michael of Kent, it's the exact same group of people who stood at in the center of Westminster Hall on Wednesday before the start of the lying-in-state.

The order of service clearly states that everyone is to remain seated until the stewards motion for them to leave, so I would guess that the rest of the grandchildren, their spouses, and great-grandchildren in attendance will be the first invited to leave.
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Prince Michael was at Westminster Hall too. He and the Duke of Kent met the procession party at the door as I think they were not fit enough to process there.
 
I wish the royal family so much power to get through the day. This must be the hardest day for them. May god bless them all and let them found the peace to mourn.
 
Just joined the Forum today to express my condolences to the people of the United Kingdom on their great loss. Best wishes to the Royal Family in their future.
On our side of the planet, Upstate NY, the Funeral will start on TV around 5 AM Monday. I hope to catch it, of not I'll see in on replay in the YouTube news channels.

By the way, I'm happy to be back! It's been years since I was here with a different username, El Cid, and I found the link to the Forums again but the email I used then had been discontinued for maybe a decade or more. Glad to be back and start to read and get reacquainted with this modern version of the Forum.
 
Welcome back, Anscadar.

I'm a little surprised that George and Charlotte are in the procession. William has indicated that he regretted walking behind Diana's coffin. But I suppose the death of a great-grandmother is different than the sudden death of a mother.
 
US Royal Watcher said:
Welcome back, Anscadar.

I'm a little surprised that George and Charlotte are in the procession. William has indicated that he regretted walking behind Diana's coffin. But I suppose the death of a great-grandmother is different than the sudden death of a mother.
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The procession they are walking in is also MUCH shorter than the one he and Harry made behind Diana's coffin. They're going from the Hall to the Abbey, if I'm understanding everything correctly. Also, I'd be surprised if the children didn't watch the procession from Buckingham Palace to Westminster Hall and the vigils on television.
 
US Royal Watcher said:
(...) William has indicated that he regretted walking behind Diana's coffin. But I suppose the death of a great-grandmother is different than the sudden death of a mother.
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Did he? I thought it was Harry.

I also have mixed feeling about them joining the procession (even though it's only the one in the Abbey). But then again, they didn't attend the princes nor grandchildren vigil (which I think is less taxing and "exposed" than funeral procession) so maybe there's a good reason for that.

BTW, is there any footage from the reception other than the incoming cars and buses?
 
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The order of service only lists the order they will walk down the aisle from the doors to the seats. It is not who will walk in the procession on the street which is a separate thing not covered by the Order of Service. The children will likely be driven with Catherine to the Abbey and wait the gun carriage procession to arrive at which point the procession will "form up" inside the Abbey - this is when George and Charlotte will walk.
 
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