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Old 12-31-2020, 09:43 PM
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Harry is not An Athena to have have sprung magically from Diana nor was Diana visited by an Angel Messenger. It would not have diminished Dianaís influence Or not empowered women one iota to mention he has parents plural. IMO itís Disrespectful and tacky to not have a problem taking your fathers money and really all the privileges you ever had from your paternal family but present yourself as just your mothers son to The public.
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:19 PM
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Putting down money to pay for a privileged life does not automatically make you a good parent. Providing the love and emotional support when needed, no matter how old you are, is important if not more. For various reasons these dads didn't do the job.
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:32 PM
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True. But no one has Ever said Charles was not a good father. Even Diana never said that. He may or may not have been a terrible husband to Diana that’s a different matter and another argument But all evidence says he loves his boys And tried to be hands on as he could given his duties. William would not have his precious children visiting his father if the POW such a terrible And distant father I don’t believe . Your comparing him with loudmouth trouble mongering Thomas Markel is frankly faulty and bizarre
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:33 PM
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 2: December 2020-

Best I can tell: Harry and Meghan have managed to create another controversial website. Youíd think theyíd have learned from the last one. Whatever they intended- only talking about their mothers begs for some negative interpretation imo. I think they could have meant everyone from their mothers to total strangers, as another poster suggested. But- they invited controversy just the same.

I get that it could have been awkward to include Charles, but not Thomas. Or maybe they wanted to leave the BRF members out of the website. Or....who knows. But the mixed response isnít surprising.

They could have taken a different approach to the website.
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:37 PM
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Putting down money to pay for a privileged life does not automatically make you a good parent. Providing the love and emotional support when needed, no matter how old you are, is important if not more. For various reasons these dads didn't do the job.
Since when did Charles not pay enough emotional support to Harry?

Nobody is perfect, but you cannot make a blanket statement that Charles has failed as a parent by not giving way to Harry & Meghan 100% of the time. Parenting is very complex and it's often about finding the balance between strict and lenient. Add to that Charles has to considered the monarchy's future and public opinions, given that he's going to be King and head of the family.

As previous posters have mentioned, Prince Charles and Thomas Markle are completely different, despite both being fathers.

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True. But no one has Ever said Charles was not a good father. Even Diana never said that. He may or may not have been a terrible husband to Diana that’s a different matter and another argument But all evidence says he loves his boys And tried to be hands on as he could given his duties. William would not have his precious children visiting his father if the POW such a terrible And distant father I don’t believe . Your comparing him with loudmouth trouble mongering Thomas Markel is frankly faulty and bizarre
Perfectly put. Couldn't have say it better!
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:38 PM
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Frankly it also comes down to how a person approaches the website (or anything they do). If they are looking for the negative spin it is not a surprise they will find it.

We see it over and over, regardless of what The Sussexes do there are ppl who are going to make it a negative endeavor.



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That maybe but you can’t truthfully say at this point the couple don’t do or say some really questionable things a lot of the time snd put themselves Out there for questioning or criticizing. I am not talking about trolls or unreasonable haters who are gonna hate but reasonable people who Have tried to give them the benefit of the doubt before but see a pattern and are fed up of the Tiresome stuff that comes From them constantly. Talking about Raindrop people and fun with Law suits
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:05 PM
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Frankly it also comes down to how a person approaches the website (or anything they do). If they are looking for the negative spin it is not a surprise they will find it.

We see it over and over, regardless of what The Sussexes do there are ppl who are going to make it a negative endeavor.



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Very well put. It's all in the eye of the beholder. You find what you're looking for if you look long and hard enough and read not only between the lines but also between the letters of each word.

Personally, I don't think Harry and Meghan would do anything in their professional lives that would cause harm for anyone in their respective families. Their aim is to reach out to people and not alienate anyone.
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Implying it’s your own fault you got Corona and that mother Earth is punishing you is pretty alienating but maybe that’s just
Me.
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:26 PM
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I think I am in the minority that I find the website itself very nice and welcoming. I also do not buy for a moment that any agreement to keep the Royal Family out of commercial endeavors could somehow be construed to mean that Harry could not say that his father modeled compassion for him. I do appreciate Curryong's insight that perhaps that decision was made to avoid highlighting that Thomas would inevitably be missing from any mention of "parents." Even if this is the case, I still think it is a terrible slap in the face to Charles and a wrong decision, but I think Curryong is probably on to something in terms of how and why the decision was made.

Osipi, you may feel differently (or perhaps not) when you look at the site. While I am in the minority here in thinking the site itself is quite nice, the messaging is- to be frank- just bizarre. If the idea was to promote how empowering motherhood is, one wonders why not just leave it at that: We are two people whose mothers modeled compassion for us. Or, indeed, mothers and other strong, enlightened, women. Instead, they said they had compassion modeled by their mothers and by complete strangers, so indeed, they are going to pains to point out that they are not just focusing on mothers, but on everyone who models compassion. This makes the exclusion of Harry's father, one of the world's foremost servant-leaders, absolutely bizarre.

For those who follow the Royal Family and have done for decades and for whom Charles's philanthropy, charity, care for others- yes, his compassion- is well known, for his son to start an organization based on this concept and say outright, this is based on how compassion was modeled "by my mother and complete strangers" has taken me, and perhaps others, aback. I am not saying I "fault" Harry or "have a problem" with it, just that I am... taken aback.
Exactly - it’s just a very odd way to word it. If they meant it to include all people (because then why mention strangers), then just say that; why specifically mention mothers ? Do mothers have a patent on compassion? Are mothers more important in molding their children than fathers are?

Harry has spoken about Charles’ influence in on him before, it’s not like he doesn’t understand all that his father has done for him and for others... Even though I can see why it would be awkward to reference Charles and not Thomas, still...it’s not like people don’t know the issues Meghan and her father have had. They could have worked around this - perhaps by having individual pages so that H could speak about his parents and M about her mother. I don’t think Harry intended to hurt his father, but it’s just another in a long line of instances where Charles is “ignored” as if Diana was the only loving, compassionate one.

This idea that Charles hadn’t been a good father, that all he’s done is give his sons money almost as if to compensate for a lack of love and caring is ridiculous. He’s done the best he could - no, he’s not perfect, no parent is. William and Harry aren’t stupid - they would have known as kids and would know now whether their father didn’t give a darn about them.
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:33 PM
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It is all about Meghan. This is behind this messaging. Mother's son. Son's mother. It is in keeping with who they are. Whatever.
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It is all about Meghan. This is behind this messaging. Mother's son. Son's mother. It is in keeping with who they are. Whatever.
I agree...itís my opinion that Harry acceded to Meghan about this (though, I admit, I didnít mention it above because I didnít want to go there)
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:38 PM
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Putting down money to pay for a privileged life does not automatically make you a good parent. Providing the love and emotional support when needed, no matter how old you are, is important if not more. For various reasons these dads didn't do the job.
Charles stepped in and saved Harry's wedding when the bride's father could not/ would not walk her down the aisle. He treated the bride's mother with great gentleness and courtesy and was by EVERY account welcoming, generous and supportive of Meghan and her relationship with his son.

I fail to understand how anyone can accuse the PoW of withholding emotional support.

What more precisely could he have done?
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:42 PM
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If it really is the Meghan show! all the time and she must be the person who controls everything and everyone around her as some like to say I feel terrible for Archie. Harry is a grown man who must lie in bed he made OTOH.
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:47 PM
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Charles stepped in and saved Harry's wedding when the bride's father could not/ would not walk her down the aisle. He treated the bride's mother with great gentleness and courtesy and was by EVERY account welcoming, generous and supportive of Meghan and her relationship with his son.

I fail to understand how anyone can accuse the PoW of withholding emotional support.

What more precisely could he have done?
I think it is ridulous to suggest any of the Queens children failed their children. The adult ones and no doubt the remaining two, are a credit. The one with many issues is Harry and unfortunately his mothers death and his unfortunate rationalisation of her has a lot to do with that. Also the people in Harry's childhood whom were involved in the formation of attachments was vast. From Nanny's to boarding house mothers and fathers. It takes a village, and in a royal child's case whose parents depend on others to provide other essential initial bonding,it really does. I think you only have to watch the Diana documentary for the 20th of her death to see the difference in mental health between her son's and this has led to Harry having a certain type of marriage.in that he needed a 'mother.' So did his father and so did his brother...but his brother found it in his future wives family and didn't need to imprint it on his wife. Having said that, Kate is very much the nurturer there.
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:49 PM
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If it really is the Meghan show! all the time and she must be the person who controls everything and everyone around her as some like to say I feel terrible for Archie. Harry is a grown man who must lie in bed he made OTOH.
All relationships have times for each partner to be dominant or recessive and it works for the couple. For example, there's another strong woman that happens to "control everything and everyone around her" when it comes to a public life. It's totally different when it comes to this woman's familial relationships though. The husband tends to rule the roost there.

Who am I talking about? Queen Elizabeth II, of course.
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All relationships have times for each partner to be dominant or recessive and it works for the couple. For example, there's another strong woman that happens to "control everything and everyone around her" when it comes to a public life. It's totally different when it comes to this woman's familial relationships though. The husband tends to rule the roost there.

Who am I talking about? Queen Elizabeth II, of course.
A completely different situation. Couldn't be more so.
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A completely different situation. Couldn't be more so.
Just an example. All relationships are different and each couple determines what works for them the best. Harry may prefer Meghan to take the lead in public speaking incidents and he remains sort of in the background as support.

This is just to make a point that "the Meghan show" may be what works for the *both* of them and how they've decided to handle things. Some have made it sound like Harry's being controlled by a whip and a chair and I don't believe that is the case at all.
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It is all about Meghan. This is behind this messaging. Mother's son. Son's mother. It is in keeping with who they are. Whatever.
Oh yes because nothing of that screams Harry

Oh wait who did Harry found his first charity after

Which parent does Harry mention all the time in interviews as inspiration (hint its not his father).

This need to blame everything on Meghan is so tiring. Harry has always been driven by the memory of his mother and that quote sounds exactly like him. Long before he ever met Meghan.
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I donít think anyoneís suggesting that Meghan should have mentioned Thomas. But her estrangement from her own father doesnít mean Harry should act as though heís estranged from his. Whatís the reasoning behind that - since Meghan doesnít have a father sheís comfortable with, it makes her feel bad for Harry to remind her and the world that he does? If thatís the expectation, then thatís horribly manipulative and toxic - much worse than what I initially thought. If they thought mentioning all of their parents except Thomas was too awkward, they could have just not mentioned any of them. That would also apply if thereís some sort of agreement to keep the royal family out of their professional materials. Other than the potential for $$$$, thereís no need to mention relatives on a website for oneís own professional endeavors. Most people donít, perhaps because most people donít have relatives who can be conveniently name-dropped to generate income.

I donít know what Charles ever did to Harry thatís so awful, that Diana didnít also do. Dianaís at least as much to blame for him growing up in a media fishbowl, probably more so. She courted that sort of attention far more than Charles did. They were both miserable in their marriage, but weíve never heard stories of Charles crying to his young children about it and relying on them for emotional support that children shouldnít be expected to provide. They both had affairs, but only Dianaís caused people to speculate about Harryís paternity. In spite of all that, no one doubts that she loved her sons and was a good mother. I just donít see why that would be any less true of Charles, despite his own similar mistakes and personal shortcomings.
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