Birth of Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor: May 6, 2019

[MaiaMia_53]

Originally Posted by Fem

And once again, a pretty normal and bog-standard thing was blown out of proportion. It was a sure thing that we'll see the birth certificate and we did. I don't understand the need of causing a circus around simple stuff.

Originally Posted by Denville

So why did they keep it a secret? THey knew that the birth cert would be a public document, and that the place of birth would be on it. WHy not say that Meghan gave birth at the Portland...

Originally Posted by muriel

Totally agree. A drama was created for nothing.

Once again, it's the media (particularly the tabloids) who are creating the overdone fuss surrounding the birth certificate and all manner of personal information about the Sussexes' iives. The Sussexes are not creating any of this unnecessary drama themselves, but they are often placed in the position of responding to it, in expert fashion (by preserving their privacy)!

How the Sussexes managed to get to Portland Hospital and back without any leaks is just one example of the expert way in which they are preserving their privacy! Another is how no one knows where they went for their honeymoon. Another is how they conducted their courtship so under-the-radar. No one even had an inkling that M&H had joined up in Botswana in August 2016, until they mentioned during their engagement interview that they'd camped for five days under the stars in Botswana for their third date.

In other related news, Royal Rota's recent guest co-host is the PA journalist, Alan Jones, who interviewed Harry when he made the birth announcement, and then Harry & Meghan two days later when Archie was carried in for the photo-call at St. George's Hall, Windsor Castle:

https://youtu.be/M5UMDKjGiRM

[ACO]

Originally Posted by Denville

still, he does not seem to be spending that much time at home with wife and baby.. and Imsure his fans would not mind him taking a few weeks off..

How do you know Harry is he not spending time with his wife and child? I am a bit lost with this. So because he doing one off appearances he is now neglecting his family? We have seen him like 4 times in the course of 2 weeks.

Was William also not supporting Kate because he made appearances days after Louis was born? These people are insanely privileged. Their "work" is already seen as a joke to many because they can show up somewhere for an hour, shake hands, pull a rope, and than leave and that is their official work day.

I know people have issues with these royals but this is just ridiculous.

[MaiaMia_53]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Why wasn't Harry listed as "His Royal Highness Prince Henry Charles Albert David Duke of Sussex" ?

Meghan was listed just as Catherine was on Prince George's birth certificate, but Harry's citation was different from William's.

Originally Posted by Pranter

From what I read the registrar just copied how Harry signed the form. So I'd say if that's true then that's why.

I will take a guess that Harry never cared much for being called a prince in the first place. Plus, as a royal, he always only signed his name as 'Harry,' or at times 'Harry Wales' when he was in the military. The other part of this is, while Harry is officially still a prince, his current title is Duke of Sussex. And in any case, 'Prince of the U.K.' is listed under Harry's occupation.

[Osipi]

Sometimes royals like Harry have things scheduled in their appointment books up to a year before the event actually happens. Like the launch of the countdown for the 2020 Invictus Games in the Hague. Although the royals are privileged, a lot of people are disappointed when they have to bow out of an engagement and there's no real "calling in sick to work". Harry chose to honor some of these engagements because they're either very near and dear to his own heart or because they're close to home and would only be gone for a short time. I don't see it as being any different than a new father being sent to the store for things needed. Archie is still in the stage where he mostly just eats, sleeps and dirties his diapers.

As far as not announcing exactly where Archie was born was a decision made by the couple themselves. They knew it would be public knowledge soon enough and they decided to give the media the Helen Hunt treatment. If they really wanted to know where the child was born, they had to go to Helen Hunt for it.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53

I will take a guess that Harry never cared much for being called a prince in the first place. Plus, he always only signed his name as 'Harry,' or at times 'Harry Wales' when he was in the military. The other part of this is, while Harry is officially still a prince, his current title is Duke of Sussex.

Nothing to do with whether or not he cares, it’s his official title and if The Duke thing was correct William wouldn’t have gone down as Prince William on his children’s certificates.

All royals only sign their first name.

[Lilyflo]

William's name was recorded as a Prince on the children's birth certificates:

His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis Duke of Cambridge

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Lilyflo

Fathers in the UK can take 2 weeks leave.

That's great! That's not the case in many other countries but good to hear that other British dads can spend two weeks with their newborn before returning to work (which of course attending a wedding isn't - but his Invictus Games trip was).

[MaiaMia_53]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Nothing to do with whether or not he cares, it’s his official title and The Duke thing was correct William wouldn’t have gone down as Prince William on his children’s certificates.

All royals only sign their first name.

Sure, I realize what's 'official,' as you can see from how I phrased my comments. And about signing only his first name as a royal. I know that too. That was my point. In any case, it doesn't matter how Harry preferred to document his official title on the birth certificate. He entered his official title as he wished, and his occupation is listed as 'Prince of the U.K.'

As we know, Harry himself has spoken in interviews about how he struggled in his youth and in his early adulthood with being called a prince. I think that gives us some insight into Harry's possible thinking surrounding his & Meghan's apparent preference to not saddle their son with any official titles, at least for now.
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Regarding the conversation about Harry getting out and about on pre-scheduled events, including today's family wedding, I think it's quite cool that we are getting glimpses of Harry. He looks exceedingly happy and fulfilled. It's probably thrilling for him to share his fatherhood joy with family, friends, royal fans, and the youngsters he visited recently at a hospital.

I'm sure it gives Harry a great feeling when he arrives back to Frogmore Cottage, after brief outings, to be back with his family. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

[Osipi]

Then again, sometimes a new father that is constantly hovering around can get on a new mother's nerves sometimes. With Harry gone on a few engagements, it is giving Meghan and Doria their time together with Archie. Harry will be around for Archie's entire life whereas sooner or later, Doria will return to LA and not be able to see Archie on a continual basis. Some things a gal just has to talk with her mother about and this time together is precious for them.

A new daddy trick I've witnessed is when the child is sleeping and the new dad sneakily enacts a ploy of making as much noise as he can such as closing the door too loudly or dropping things that make noise so the wee one wakes up and daddy can hold him again. Very clever but obvious.

[LauraS3514]

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

In England is the baby's father the only person who can register the birth certificate?

Sarah was the one who registered Beatrice's birth - Andrew was already back to the Navy.

[MaiaMia_53]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Then again, sometimes a new father that is constantly hovering around can get on a new mother's nerves sometimes. With Harry gone on a few engagements, it is giving Meghan and Doria their time together with Archie. Harry will be around for Archie's entire life whereas sooner or later, Doria will return to LA and not be able to see Archie on a continual basis. Some things a gal just has to talk with her mother about and this time together is precious for them...

That was exactly the points I was also inferring in my earlier comments. Harry knows Doria is with Meghan now, and so when he has to leave, it's surely comforting knowing Doria is there. And as you say, without Dad 'hovering,' mother, daughter and newborn son have a chance to spend a lot of quality time together during these precious moments of Archie's first days of life. I'm not sure how long Doria will be staying at Frogmore. Maybe she's planning to hang out until the christening takes place?

Speaking of the christening, there will likely be additional howling by the media should the Sussexes go low-key and have the christening take place quietly and privately at the chapel inside Windsor Castle (more low-key is probably the norm for a baby who is only 7th in line to throne). However, since Harry was christened at St. George's Chapel, I suspect Archie might be christened there as well. If so, it will be more difficult to keep the occasion private.

[Cocoasneeze]

Originally Posted by Denville

still, he does not seem to be spending that much time at home with wife and baby.. and Imsure his fans would not mind him taking a few weeks off..

How do you know this, and based on what? Because he attended a wedding almost next door to his home? Or because he spend a few hours going on engagements? This is just getting ridiculous.

[ladongas]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Then again, sometimes a new father that is constantly hovering around can get on a new mother's nerves sometimes. With Harry gone on a few engagements, it is giving Meghan and Doria their time together with Archie. Harry will be around for Archie's entire life whereas sooner or later, Doria will return to LA and not be able to see Archie on a continual basis. Some things a gal just has to talk with her mother about and this time together is precious for them....

Bingo! We have a winner!

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[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by MaiaMia_53

I will take a guess that Harry never cared much for being called a prince in the first place. Plus, as a royal, he always only signed his name as 'Harry,' or at times 'Harry Wales' when he was in the military. The other part of this is, while Harry is officially still a prince, his current title is Duke of Sussex. And in any case, 'Prince of the U.K.' is listed under Harry's occupation.

My point was that, on Prince George's birth certificate, the father is listed as: "His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis Duke of Cambridge" whereas the titular dignity of "Prince" was omitted in Harry's case.


https://people.com/royals/royal-babi...-certificates/


I don't see any reason why Harry's name would be recorded differently from William's, so I assume it was probably a mistake by the registrar. Keep in mind that, while "Duke of Sussex" is Harry's main title in the peerage of the UK, he bears from birth the titular dignity of Prince, which should be prefixed to his given name and preceded by the style of Royal Highness in official documents according to the instructions in George V's Letters patent of 1917.

Now Know Ye that We of our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion do hereby declare our Royal Will and Pleasure that the children of any Sovereign of these Realms and the children of the sons of any such Sovereign and the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names or with their other titles of honour.

[MARG]

^^^^^ I totally agree.it seemed to me that most reputable media outlets and even social media understood what the Sussexes were trying to achieve and, when they actually pulled it off, were actually quite happy for them.

For all this is a joyous occasion, they managed to pull off a hospital birth with no disruption to the hospital itself nor disruption caused by fans blocking the entrances, the exits and obstructing the footpaths. I'd call that a win all around.

[Rudolph]

I wonder why they didn't tell us the doctors. No doctor in the history of royal births has been 'harrassed' so I don't understand the need for secrecy.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

I wonder why they didn't tell us the doctors. No doctor in the history of royal births has been 'harrassed' so I don't understand the need for secrecy.

The person thought to be Meghan's doula was. Doesn't matter if previous doctors were or not. And really, why does anyone need to know?

[Elenath]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

I wonder why they didn't tell us the doctors. No doctor in the history of royal births has been 'harrassed' so I don't understand the need for secrecy.

Why would we need to know? I can’t really remember it, but were we told when Fergie gave birth? Or Anne, or Sophie? I can imagine it might be important to know she Kate gave birth to George since he will be king one day, but a lot of people would have to die for Archie to be king. So it’s not really relevant to me at least.

[Rudolph]

Yes we knew about Anne, Diana, Sarah and Catherine's doctors