Birth of Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor: May 6, 2019

[XeniaCasaraghi]

Originally Posted by Zaira

And so the ridiculous begins. Good on the BBC. I was shocked when I saw that tweet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48212693

I don't think it was funny and using monkeys in relationship to black people is a sore spot for us. BUT I am sick of people having their lives ruined even after they apologize.

[ACO]

So a few of the correspondents wrote “exclusives” today saying Archie will become HRH once Charles is king. I still don’t see them wanting it but thought it was interesting that they apparently confirmed that the Sussexes didn’t take the step the Wessexes did with their kids.

Also a very cute story on the potential origin of Archie

https://twitter.com/5_news/status/11...063440385?s=21

[Rudolph]

They're just using the 1917 LP as the basis. As it stands today he will become an HRH but I'm willing to wager anything that we'll never see a prince Archie

[Friedrich Karl II]

Originally Posted by Zaira

And so the ridiculous begins. Good on the BBC. I was shocked when I saw that tweet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48212693

What did Baker even think? Surely he knew that it was quiet offensive tweet. Fortunately BBC understand fire him. That was so idiotic and offensive tweet that it can't be joke with any way.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by muriel

It was a lovely picture indeed.

The Queen and her team know a good picture when they see one. They know that a picture like that will go a million miles in PR terms, and will do a lot for appearing accessible, inclusive and more like "the rest of us". They have never released a picture of the Queen when she has met her other 7 great grand children. So well done to the Queen's team. And Sussex team: Please learn from the Boss!

Uh, the Sussexes posted it on IG first I believe. Granted, I don't think they would've posted it without the Queen's permission, but I don't know if I'd say this is the Queen or her team's idea.

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

I don't think it was funny and using monkeys in relationship to black people is a sore spot for us. BUT I am sick of people having their lives ruined even after they apologize.

He didn't truly apologize. "Never occurred to me because, well, mind not diseased". Didn't see it as racist because his mind isn't diseased? What? See screen caps below.

https://twitter.com/afuahirsch/statu...24755785383936

[Zaira]

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

I don't think it was funny and using monkeys in relationship to black people is a sore spot for us. BUT I am sick of people having their lives ruined even after they apologize.

Personally IMO he didn't apologize. He basically did the whole "I guess some people dont understand my humor so sorry about that" and then doubled down even more.

It begs credulity that anyone today, and especially someone known for his wit as Mr Baker, did not know exactly what that sort of imagery implies. SO his rather half-hearted apology didnt cut it and it was right that he was let go. Your words have consequences even on social media.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Elenath

Why would you pity him? Peter and Zara seem to doing just fine without titles. Or do you pity them just as much?

THe point is that Archie si the son of a Prince and Royal duke and traditionally has the right to use his fathers second title. Peter and Zara are the children of a plain Mister...

[Ista]

Originally Posted by Zaira

Personally IMO he didn't apologize. He basically did the whole "I guess some people dont understand my humor so sorry about that" and then doubled down even more.

It begs credulity that anyone today, and especially someone known for his wit as Mr Baker, did not know exactly what that sort of imagery implies. SO his rather half-hearted apology didnt cut it and it was right that he was let go. Your words have consequences even on social media.

Agreed, but there actually are people who don't understand how horrendous the tweet was. It's the "But I was just joking" crew, who no matter how it's explained to them, truly think it's a big fuss over nothing. Not much you can do with that except the action the BBC took.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by Denville

THe point is that Archie si the son of a Prince and Royal duke and traditionally has the right to use his fathers second title. Peter and Zara are the children of a plain Mister...

I mean, he's technically also entitled to HRH after Charles becomes King. I don't see most griping about that if he doesn't, as most of us expect, get HRH. I think this is just a shock to people, maybe they'll feel differently when the shock wears off.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Saw with the Cambridges they don't mind using names used in far extended family. William used the name of his first cousins. Archie (future lord Femroy) his father is the maternal cousin of Diana.

If we look at the tree we could say we lucked out in Archie. We could have ended up with names like Algernon.




Yes no history lesson needed here We all know that is traditional. but considering this kid is simply Master, tradition goes out the window. It is simply that the son of a duke is permitted to use One of his subsidiary titles as a courtesy. Traditionally its his most senior one secondary title. Once again, tradition has gone out the window.

I don't think tradition has gone out of the window. The Prince was simply Harry. A more common name is hardly imagineable. Yet he is His Royal Highness Prince Henry, The Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dumbarton, Baron Kilkeel. Despite his "call me Harry" - attitude. He has a crest, a banner, has Orders. He presented his "just Archie" in one of the most magnificent galleries of Europe. In everything the young boy is special but the parents stress he is just Archie. That is all

[Denville]

Originally Posted by poppy7

I don't think he will ever be Duke of Sussex either. He won't be royal, I think the LPS would have to be there to cover the fact that in a tragic accident that wiped out his cousins he could be next on the list and be upgraded. I like the fact he isn't titled, I think it's in keeping with a modern Britain. And makes a mockery of all those insane aristocratic titles still hanging around. Time they went or people stopped using themy except for work.

Of couse he will be Duke of Sussex if he outlives his father... unlss the monarchy comes to an end and theres a republican govt which bans the use of titles.

[Abbigail]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

They're just using the 1917 LP as the basis. As it stands today he will become an HRH but I'm willing to wager anything that we'll never see a prince Archie

Only if the parents don't want it. I don't see Charles intervening on his own, as some have suggested. And if the parents didn't want it, I would think they would make this known now, as HRH would automatically apply. They seem to be keeping their options open at least.

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

I don't think it was funny and using monkeys in relationship to black people is a sore spot for us. BUT I am sick of people having their lives ruined even after they apologize.

How is his life ruined? He lost a job. That happens everyday and to those less privileged than this man.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Friedrich Karl II

What did Baker even think? Surely he knew that it was quiet offensive tweet. Fortunately BBC understand fire him. That was so idiotic and offensive tweet that it can't be joke with any way.

There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of thing in *any* context. The man has drain bramage. He opened his mouth, inserted his foot, choked on it and job funeral ensued afterwards and nobody cared to attend.

Stupid is as stupid does. There's no cure.

[O-H Anglophile]

Originally Posted by Pranter

The future Lord Femroy (he's currently 11) is named Archie. Relative of Harry's...and there's at least one more current relative named Archie.


LaRae

I know it is a typo but it is Fermoy, not Femroy.

Interesting that Harry's second cousin is Archie.

[Zaira]

Really great reading the response to yesterday! Many sharing thoughts like this
https://twitter.com/JamesCleverly/st...31146773024768

[muriel]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

Uh, the Sussexes posted it on IG first I believe. Granted, I don't think they would've posted it without the Queen's permission, but I don't know if I'd say this is the Queen or her team's idea.

The Sussex may have been the first to post it, but as you say, that image would only have been used with the consent of the Queen or her team. And that consent was, IMO, only provided as the Queen and her team could see the powerful message that was being sent.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by muriel

The Sussex may have been the first to post it, but as you say, that image would only have been used with the consent of the Queen or her team. And that consent was, IMO, only provided as the Queen and her team could see the powerful message that was being sent.

So I fail to see why you command them for the powerful message while saying the Sussexes should learn from it. When it very well could be the Sussexes' idea to use it in the first place as the Sussexes seem to take the lead in everything related to this birth and presentation.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by jacqui24

So I fail to see why you command them for the powerful message while saying the Sussexes should learn from it. When it very well could be the Sussexes' idea to use it in the first place as the Sussexes seem to take the lead in everything related to this birth and presentation.

My comment is not directed at Harry or Megan at all but at their team who appear to have been pretty incompetent in their communications so far. They mishandled the communications in April around arrangements around the birth, and then again put out a misleading, though not being incorrect) announcement about Megan being in labour earlier that day.

[jacqui24]

Originally Posted by muriel

My comment is not directed at Harry or Megan at all but at their team who appear to have been pretty incompetent in their communications so far. They mishandled the communications in April around arrangements around the birth, and then again put out a misleading, though not being incorrect) announcement about Megan being in labour earlier that day.

It's the situation we are discussing. The birth seems to be handled pretty well given that people still don't know things the parents don't want to make public. They hardly mishandled the situation as the freak out was mostly from members of the media, who had the full notes and understand what will be shared in detail. Even the members of the media have said the labor announcement was to give them time to get to Windsor. On the record. So it seems like, with the except of the email glitch from IT, hardly incompetent. And as long as Sara Latham has been there, I've seen clear and strong messages from their team. Especially some other fiasco that has gone down in recent weeks.

[Jacknch]

A reminder of the Mod note posted a few days ago - let's not go round in circles yet again with back and forth bickering concerning the announcements made in connection to Archie's birth - it is repetitive and no longer suited to the topic of this thread:

Originally Posted by Jacknch

It's time to move on now concerning the timing of the labour/birth announcement - it's happened, the baby had been born and most people have now had their say on the matter and we wish to avoid going round in circles. Thank you.