Countess Alexandra and Martin Jørgensen, Current Events Part 3: Dec 2009-Sept 2015

[ricarda]

Originally Posted by PiaDK

This blog has an interesting account on Alexandra: Tomorrows crowned heads: ♔ Hun behandlede ham som et pjok!! ♔

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I am sorry, but this "account" is Trine TRASH. I can't take it seriously (starting with that nonsense about Joachim being forced to marry Alexandra; IMO he was clearly in love with her). And I am writing this as someone who used to defend Joachim back in 2004/2005 when the media and members of this board portrayed him as the villain.

Viv, I did not know Alexandra's seating was an issue back then and the DRF was criticized for it. All I can remember is that she wore a coat dress which showed a lot of her leg and that she talked to the press for a long time despite having a sick child on her arm. I actually was quite critical towards HER outfit and behaviour. But I remember she was praised for her media-friendliness in one magazine (whereas the CP couple was criticized for being media-unfriendly at that time).

[Muhler]

The seating arrangement might just as well have been a simple miscalculation.
There was hardly any precendence protocol-wise for dealing with divorced royals.
QMII, who had the final say in regards to the protocol, could not have predicted that Felix would be ill and whimping.
I don't believe Alexandra could have "excused" herself. That would have been seen as a snub of the DRF and fuelled endless speculations. In hindsight the best option would have been to hand Felix over to a nanny.

However, IF QMII was somewhat displeased with Alexandra, we can hardly blame her. Joachim is after all her son and there is a tendency to side with your children after a divorce.
The DRF certainly appear to have a good relationship with Alexandra now and that's what matters - not least in regards to Nikolai and Felix.
So whoever was at fault in regards to the divorce (there are usually faults on both sides) Joachim and Alexandra have certainly handled it in a very mature manner.
Alexandra in particular certainly has no reason to complain, IMO.

And I agree with Ricarda, Trine Villemann's habit of relying on anonymous sources, her obvious bias, speculations and complete lack of objectiveness means any opinion from her should be read very carefully indeed.

[Viv]

Originally Posted by ricarda

Viv, I did not know Alexandra's seating was an issue back then and the DRF was criticized for it. All I can remember is that she wore a coat dress which showed a lot of her leg and that she talked to the press for a long time despite having a sick child on her arm. I actually was quite critical towards HER outfit and behaviour. But I remember she was praised for her media-friendliness in one magazine (whereas the CP couple was criticized for being media-unfriendly at that time).

Ricarda, the seating arrangement were subject to many comments from the royal correspondents! They thought- as I did - that it was clumsily handled by the royal court! They (the court !) had had several weeks to consider the planning, and the issue of the attendance of a divorced princess could hardly have caught them by surprise, unless of course there were circumstances that we - the general public - didn't know about! As a member of the royal house they had to invite her, and by accepting, Alexandra - unwittingly ?? -got the attention for all the wrong reasons. And now you mention it: yes, her outfit was a bit on the vulgar side!

As for Alexandras media exposure/handling at the time: don't forget that she was very popular back then! Besides, she was still thought to be the wronged woman, she drew a lot of mileage from the public sympathy!

It's probably not easy to make the transition from a popular princess and media darling to a has been.

Over and out!

viv

[PiaDK]

Originally Posted by Viv

It's probably not easy to make the transition from a popular princess and media darling to a has been.


viv

Spot on!

The wedding of Joachim and Alexandra was actually what started my "grown up" interest in royalty - and I did follow Alexandra when she was the Princess often out and about. My opinion on her started to change when it became obvious that she had a private side not at all in harmony with the smiling Princess.

Trine Villemann has written some trash - that doesn't make everything she says untrue. Others have reported on Alexandra's behaviour - including a former nanny of Prince Nikolai.

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by PiaDK

Trine Villemann has written some trash - that doesn't make everything she says untrue. Others have reported on Alexandra's behaviour - including a former nanny of Prince Nikolai.

I strongly disagree, basically everything Trine Villemann has ever written about royals is utter bollocks, and she has no other intention but to badmouth them and get attention.


It actually surprises how big a thing Alexandra's bad "behaviour" and relationship to Martin is. It may be because I've held a great fondness for Alexandra basically since I was old enough to understand what royalty is, but also because I've never seen an actual "bad side" of her. Sure enough, I've only seen her from a distance and have never actually interacted with her, but she seems to me as such a lovely human being - always a smile on her face and a compassion beyond compare. She had a real bad time in Møgeltønder, she never really found her place there as Marie has done, and I'm pretty sure that being married to Joachim wasn't the easiest (it takes two to break up a marriage and we all saw the countless of times Joachim was out enjoying himself on various night clubs). I haven't ever seen anything that would make suspect a bad relationship between the Queen and Prince Henrik, and Alexandra, so I must say I think some of the criticism is unjustified, but obviously we all have different opinions.

[PiaDK]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

It actually surprises how big a thing Alexandra's bad "behaviour" and relationship to Martin is.

I wouldn't say it is a big deal. Really the latest fuss on her was when she married Martin Jørgensen. We don't hear much about her these days. Occasionally there is some media coverage of an outing, but that is mostly when she brings the boys. Sometimes there is criticism of her still receiving money from the State. She sure was an asset when she was part of the royal family - but nine years of "duty" shouldn't entitle her to a life long pension.

That I personally changed my mind on her has less to do with her relationship with Martin and more to do with her still demanding special treatment. She chose to leeve the royal family - that is also a goodbye to special privileges.

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by PiaDK

I wouldn't say it is a big deal. Really the latest fuss on her was when she married Martin Jørgensen. We don't hear much about her these days. Occasionally there is some media coverage of an outing, but that is mostly when she brings the boys. Sometimes there is criticism of her still receiving money from the State. She sure was an asset when she was part of the royal family - but nine years of "duty" shouldn't entitle her to a life long pension.

That I personally changed my mind on her has less to do with her relationship with Martin and more to do with her still demanding special treatment. She chose to leeve the royal family - that is also a goodbye to special privileges.

In here it seems to be a big deal, but whatever.

She should be entitled to a life long pension (unless she permanently move out of the country, that is) because she is the mother of two Danish Princes, and because she still carries out duties and have patronages - not a lot, but some. I don't think it's about her "demanding" special treatment, I think it was a decision made by QMII, Joachim and whoever decides this sort of things.

[iceflower]

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Martin Jørgensen has been out without his lovely wife



** BB: På en solrig 1. majdag åbnede Martin Jørgensen Hotel d’Angleterre efter længere tids renovering ** translation **

[GracieGiraffe]

Who was the "good friend." Was something lost in translation?

[iceflower]

No, there wasn't anything lost, the article said he did not attend with his better half, but with a good friend instead. The good friend wasn't mentioned by name, but it sounded like it's been a good male friend. And in case it's been a female friend, that of course doesn't mean anything.

[Muhler]

Picture of Alexandra and her Martin attending the birthday party of Dennis Knudsen, Sunday evening: http://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files...udsen-50-r.jpg

[camelot23ca]

Alexandra has looked fantastic since the divorce. I thought her style as a royal was quite staid and dull.

Does Alexandra have a job in Denmark? I remember at the time of the divorce there was talk of her possibly becoming a member of a board(s) of various companies.

[Muhler]

Not that I know of. She may be a member of a board or two, but not within commerce.
My qualified guess is that Alexandra has invested very well and is living a comfortable life from these investments.
It's another matter with Martin Jørgensen, since at least one or two of his projects appears to have been less successful. But their assets seems to be seperate, so Alexandra is unaffected.

[vkrish]

Originally Posted by Muhler

Picture of Alexandra and her Martin attending the birthday party of Dennis Knudsen, Sunday evening: http://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files...udsen-50-r.jpg

Nice pic..Love "her Martin"..Looks great..

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by Muhler

Not that I know of. She may be a member of a board or two, but not within commerce.
My qualified guess is that Alexandra has invested very well and is living a comfortable life from these investments.
It's another matter with Martin Jørgensen, since at least one or two of his projects appears to have been less successful. But their assets seems to be seperate, so Alexandra is unaffected.

I imagine her state funded apanage, even though now taxable, helps lessen the burden on poor Martin considerably and allows for their comfortable lifestyle.

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by NGalitzine

I imagine her state funded apanage, even though now taxable, helps lessen the burden on poor Martin considerably and allows for their comfortable lifestyle.

And Joachim pays child support as well.

No, I don't believe the appanage and child support would be enough to pay for the lifestyle Alexandra and Martin live.

Even though Alexandra got a big house in a posh neighborhood for free and don't have to pay mortgage, she nevertheless has to pay for maintanaince, taxes, electricity, heating, insurance, , school, salary for a part-time secretary/PA and so on.
Alexandra has also bought a house in Turkey, to mention one of the major investments.
Judging from her appearance, the children's appearance, two annual vacations - not to Costa del Aquaworld mind you - And even factoring in Martin's income - (and I don't have the impression he is doing much travelling as a photographer, nor have I seen much of his work) - as a supplement to the household, I'd say they have other means as well.

The apanage and childsupport will pay for the children and cover the basic expences according to my rough estimate. Everything else is for bread and clothes as well as jam on the bread.

According to a thumbrule I was told about a few years ago, you have to have a fortune/investments worth between 5-8 million DKK, in order to live a comfortable middleclass lifestyle here in DK, without having to work.
I'd say Alexandra and Martin have a lifestyle comparable to lower class millionaires. It's certainly not my impression they have problems making ends meet, nor do they life on ryebread and rice porridge at the end of the month.
That's why I believe Alexandra, this is after all her field, has made some sound investments.

[NGalitzine]

Might she have an inheritance from Mr Manley? I have no idea if he was wealthy or not.

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by NGalitzine

Might she have an inheritance from Mr Manley? I have ni idea if he was wealthy or not.

Perhaps, but that must be limited. There are two siblings and the mother to take into account.
I don't believe Alexandra was without means when she married Joachim however.

[tommy100]

Alexandra is a member of the board of a pharmaceuticals company, Ferring Pharmaceuticals. Here is her profile on the board of directors page online
Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg - Ferring Corporate Website

[Rocketmom]

Forgive me but I know very little about the significance of royal titles. Does an income come with them? Political power or a position in Parliament? If not, why are people so concerned about retaining a title after a divorce. Alexandra became a countess. Diana was still princess of Wales but not her royal highness. I remember people were very concerned that they kept a title.