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Old 12-27-2021, 03:13 AM
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Engagement of Princess Maria Laura and William Isvy; 27 Dec 2021

"Belgian Princess Maria Laura, 33, is getting married.

Her parents Princess Astrid and Prince Lorenz announced that their daughter is engaged to William Isvy.
They live in London. She is analyst in the climate change sector, he works in the asset management industry."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHmZum2W...name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHmA9wnW...name=4096x4096
https://twitter.com/WDehandschutter/...512518/photo/1

Congratulations to the couple!
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Old 12-27-2021, 03:24 AM
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Congratulations to the couple!

The following article contains some more information about William Isvy and a video of the couple taken earlier this month:


** nieuwsblad article: Oudste dochter van prinses Astrid stapt in huwelijksbootje ** translation **
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Old 12-27-2021, 03:35 AM
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The groom-to-be is the son of a British mother and a French-Moroccan father. He was born in Paris but raised in Londen, where he attended the Lycťe franÁais Charles de Gaulle. Later he studied finance at the McGill University in Canada. He likes tennis and travelling.

https://www.sudinfo.be/id435648/arti...a-va-se-marier
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Old 12-27-2021, 03:46 AM
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Congratulations to the couple!

I really like the photos of the newlyweds that were released by the royal house.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CX-rhNfq...dium=copy_link
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Old 12-27-2021, 04:10 AM
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Nice surprise ! Congratulations to the couple !
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Old 12-27-2021, 05:01 AM
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Quite a surprise indeed! Many congratulations to the happy couple!
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Old 12-27-2021, 05:18 AM
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Some information and a few questions about the future titles of the couple and their potential children. (I am unsure whether this should be discussed in the engagement or titles thread. I've made the post in the titles thread but quote it in this one.)


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The princess:

Princess Maria Laura's official style will certainly continue to be HRH Princess Maria Laura, in the same way that her mother (since the succession changes of 1991) is officially styled as HRH Princess Astrid, Princess of Belgium.

https://www.monarchie.be/en/royal-fa...rincess-astrid

However, if Laura and William continue to live in Britain, I wonder if she will call herself Mrs. Isvy in private life, in accordance with British custom.


Her future husband:

William Isvy will not acquire any legal titles; Prince Amedeo's wife Lili Rosboch did not.

However, the Royal Palace currently styles Lili by courtesy as Princess Elisabetta Rosboch von Wolkenstein, which is often shortened to Princess Elisabetta.

https://www.lesoir.be/246315/article...e-annoncent-la
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2186635

Will the Palace likewise give William Isvy the courtesy style of Prince William Isvy or Prince William after marriage? Probably not, as there is little to no modern precedent in the nobility for a man to be addressed with his spouse's title even as a courtesy, but unlike the nobility, the royal family has introduced gender-equal succession for the descendants of King Albert II.


The possible future children of the marriage:

Any children from the marriage will almost certainly take their surname from their father. It remains exceedingly rare for a Belgian woman to transmit her surname to her children, and I believe it is even rarer amongst the nobility.

Any children also will not inherit their mother's HRH or territorial designation "of Belgium". The predicate HRH and the title Prince/ss of Belgium are no longer hereditary, except for the children and grandchildren of the King or Crown Princess, under the Royal Decree of November 24, 2015.

https://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cg...75&caller=list

However, Article 4 of the decree refers to "Princes and Princesses" who descend from King Leopold I but are not Princes and Princesses "of Belgium". Prince Amedeo's children appear to fall under that category, as his daughter Anna Astrid was entered into her birth certificate as "Her Imperial and Royal Highness Princess Anna Astrid Marie Archduchess of Austria-Este (Habsburg-Lorraine)" (emphasis added). Moreover, the Royal Palace has always given her the style of Princess Anna Astrid (rather than Archduchess Anna Astrid).

https://www.lesoir.be/53935/article/...us-de-belgique
https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2117594

But it is unclear if Princess Maria Laura's possible children would be styled in the same way, being children of a Princess instead of a Prince. Although Article 4 of the Royal Decree says nothing about "male line", titles of nobility such as Prince/ss are normally transmitted in the male line only.

https://diplomatie.belgium.be/en/ser...s/nobility/faq
ETA: Thank you to Mbruno for another point I neglected to mention:

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There is some confusion as to whether Anna-Astrid and Maximilian are referred to as Princess/Prince based on their membership of the House of Austria-Este or as a consequence of Art 4 of the Royal Decree of 2015. Hopefully, that will be clarified once and for all when Princess Maria Laura has children of her own as they will be the first great-grandchildren of King Albert II who are not entitled to the style of HRH and the title of Prince or Princess of Belgium under the Royal Decree of 2015 and do not hold any other royal title inherited in paternal line.
Unfortunately, considering the past record of the Royal Palace, I doubt any of the uncertainties will be clarified in the foreseeable future.
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Congratulations to the happy couple! What delightful and exciting news. Was it even known that the couple were dating? For me this engagement comes as a complete surprise, because Maria Laura live a rather private life.
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Old 12-27-2021, 06:54 AM
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Congratulations to the happy couple! What delightful and exciting news. Was it even known that the couple were dating? For me this engagement comes as a complete surprise, because Maria Laura live a rather private life.
Yes, she definitely can can keep her personal life private!

Congratulations to her and William!

P.S. William is 30 years old, so surely born in 1991.
And he is definitely bilingual, speaking equally English and French.
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Old 12-27-2021, 07:00 AM
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Indeed wonderful news. While her brother's girlfriend was widely known (even prior to his Covid-mistake), this is a complete surprise. I hope they will be able to continue to live their lives without press intrusion.
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Old 12-27-2021, 12:34 PM
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Ah thatís wonderful news.
Iím curious to find out where they will get married.
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Old 12-27-2021, 12:44 PM
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Maybe in Westmister Cathedral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Cathedral
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It was announced that the Wedding will be in Brussels.
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Old 12-27-2021, 01:22 PM
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Can I ask where Brussels was announced? I only saw a timing (on the Palace IG and some Flemish news outlets)
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Can I ask where Brussels was announced? I only saw a timing (on the Palace IG and some Flemish news outlets)

It was said by some belgian Royal Experts on Twitter that the Wedding would be in the second half of 2022 in Brussels.
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By virtue of Article 85 of the Constitution, Princess Maria Laura requires the consent of the King to marry, or she will be deprived of her right to the Crown.

Under Article 106, a constitutional act of the King requires the signature of a Government minister. Therefore, for previous royal marriages, consent was granted through a Royal Decree signed by the King and one or more ministers of Government.

Example: https://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cg...74&caller=list

Article 85

The constitutional powers of the King are hereditary through the direct, natural and legitimate descent from H.M. Leopold, George, Christian, Frederick of Saxe-Coburg, by order of primogeniture.

The descendant mentioned in the first paragraph who marries without the Kingís consent or, in his absence, without the consent of those exercising the Kingís powers in cases provided for by the Constitution shall be deprived of his right to the crown.

Nonetheless, this right may be restored by the King or, in his absence, by those exercising the powers of the King in cases provided for by the Constitution, but only with the assent of both Houses.


Article 106

No act of the King can take effect without the countersignature of a minister, who, in doing so, assumes responsibility for it.

https://www.lachambre.be/kvvcr/pdf_s...GrondwetUK.pdf


There was a row in Parliament in 2015 after Maria Laura's brother Prince Amedeo married without the King and Government's legal consent but then sought and received consent retroactively. That act was controversial because according to Article 85 (see above) the consent of Parliament is necessary in order to restore a descendant after a marriage without consent, but the King and Government stood by their actions.

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/do...lle?id=9211559

I hope that is not going to happen again this time.

So far, no royal decree consenting to the marriage has been published in the Staatsblad. But the royal decrees granting consent for the marriages of Philippe and Laurent were published eleven and nine days respectively following the announcements of their engagements, so I suppose we must wait and see.
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Congratulations to Princess Maria Laura and William!
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Old 12-27-2021, 07:02 PM
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Congratulations to the happy couple! What delightful and exciting news. Was it even known that the couple were dating? For me this engagement comes as a complete surprise, because Maria Laura live a rather private life.

A great many reports in the Belgian press are emphasizing that the announcement came as a surprise because the relationship was not known to the public.

All the same, HRH's choice of husband seems to be very much what one might have predicted from her family background: a foreigner (as with most of the marriages in her immediate family), who is chiefly British (the country where she has now lived and worked for the majority of her adult life), but has strong connections to France (her father's native country), and is employed in the financial sector (in which she, her father, all of her adult siblings, and many other of her relatives have worked at one time or another).

From the other marriages in the family, a spouse from a noble/wealthy and Catholic family would be the most predictable option. But it seems the palace's media release did not mention Mr. Isvy's social class or religion.


There is a noticeable contrast between the low-key film clip of the casually dressed couple chatting by themselves in London and the festive family photoshoot that occurred for her brother's engagement. I wonder how much of the contrast can be attributed to the pandemic and how much to the couples' preferences.

As the sudinfo article says, Princess Luisa Maria and William Isvy both studied at McGill University. Luisa is four years younger than William, but I still wonder if she may have met him through mutual friends at the university and introduced him to her sister.
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William Isvy's LinkedIn-account is no longer available... While it had over 500 connections. He used the acronym CFA behind his name: Chartered Financial Analyst.

Laura's LinkedIn-account is also gone.

I am pretty confident that Jordan Isvy is William's younger brother.
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Here's another photo of the couple taken earlier this month.


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