What is your opinion about Sarah, Duchess of York?

[Bella]

Originally Posted by misselle

I agree with you;there are too many people who just salivate over the chance to malign and ridicule,to post their overly negative opinions about others!

I don't know about everyone else but I'm just posting the facts. We can't change history.

[Russophile]

Kime, what I get from what Jo says is that though Sarah isn't royal and doesn't have to answer to the masses, she keeps plugging her royal ties.
Jo, correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Sky, yes, My Peter has a way with words does he not?

[Menarue]

Originally Posted by iowabelle

I guess by "average" I meant not from a noble/grand family (like Diana's); not super-educated; not especially good-looking (like a model); not having lots of money (like Marie Chantal's family).

I do think Sophie is delicately pretty, and although Sarah can be good-looking, she really favors Major Ron too much to be pretty.

Maybe the difference between Sarah and Sophie is that Sarah has a really "big" personality, while Sophie is more quiet.

Another idea on the differences between them. I think that Sarah and Diana egged each other on (two needy people rebelling against the system), while Sarah was gone and Diana virtually out of the system when Sophie appeared.

Although I am not at all fond of Sarah Ferguson and I think she sounds loud and common but there is no doubt that she is descended on both her mother´s and her father´s side from royalty. It is just a pity, in my opinion, that it is difficult to discern. I think her problem was her upbringing, she just wasn´t brought up with the idea of marrying her to a royal, whereas I think Diana was. Diana had a title but for bloodline Sarah is definitely her equal.

[Elspeth]

I don't think she sounds common. Her accent is unmistakably upper class.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by misselle

I agree with you;there are too many people who just salivate over the chance to malign and ridicule,to post their overly negative opinions about others!

Members of the forum were asked a question about how Sarah got into so much debt. If 'we' are only going to answer questions that have a 'nice' answer, nobody learns anything.

We all have opinions and this is reflected in our posts. It is in your opinion, wrongly IMO, that people are salivating over the opportunity to malign Sarah. Facts are facts.

Originally Posted by Menarue

Although I am not at all fond of Sarah Ferguson and I think she sounds loud and common but there is no doubt that she is descended on both her mother´s and her father´s side from royalty. It is just a pity, in my opinion, that it is difficult to discern.......

Sarah sounds like the typical upper class girl she is. Yes she can be loud, just like 1000's of so called Hooray Henry's or Henrietta's.

[Elspeth]

Originally Posted by Bella

I don't know about everyone else but I'm just posting the facts.

Yes, but in one of your posts the facts were accompanied by multiple exclamation marks and all-caps words. That conveys anger as well as information, and some people are uncomfortable responding to angry posts. And I'm not singling you out because a lot of people are doing it. When we get a bunch of posts written in an emotional way, it lends negative emotion to the facts, and it makes some people too intimidated to respond. It's one thing to respond to a number of calmly stated facts, but responding in the face of scorn or anger is a harder thing for some people.

We've received complaints about the tone of this thread several times since its inception, including recently, which is why you're seeing moderator and admin intervention. It isn't that we're trying to ensure that people only post positive things, we're trying to make sure that the atmosphere of the thread isn't driving people away.

[Bella]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

Yes, but in one of your posts the facts were accompanied by multiple exclamation marks and all-caps words. That conveys anger as well as information, and some people are uncomfortable responding to angry posts. And I'm not singling you out because a lot of people are doing it. When we get a bunch of posts written in an emotional way, it lends negative emotion to the facts, and it makes some people too intimidated to respond. It's one thing to respond to a number of calmly stated facts, but responding in the face of scorn or anger is a harder thing for some people.

We've received complaints about the tone of this thread several times since its inception, including recently, which is why you're seeing moderator and admin intervention. It isn't that we're trying to ensure that people only post positive things, we're trying to make sure that the atmosphere of the thread isn't driving people away.

My exclamation point and the caps of AT LEAST were more dramatic than angry. I think ppl can tell when someone is getting overly heated on an issue and just using writer's flair to emphasis a point. But if caps and/or exclamation points aren't allowed, I'd adhere to the rules.

[Menarue]

When I said she sounds common I´wasn´t talking about her speech, she, which is only natural, sounds completely upper class. I was referring to the way she speaks loudly so as other people can hear her, that is common. I was reiterating. There was an incident, of course just read in the newspapers, when she was criticized for throwing pieces of bread or food at the other passengers on a flightwhich is not the kind of behaviour you would expect from a member of the royal family. There was also the well photographed incident when she and Diana got the giggles after poking some poor aide in the backside when he was standing next to the Queen. A bit of fun perhaps but I am sure it wasn´t for the unfortunate young man.
When she married she was said to have promised to never change, to always be herself and that perhaps was her downfall.

[sthreats]

The strength of this forum is the diversity of opinions and that we can post them without curse words and some of the other nonsense that I have seen on other forums. We do not always have to agree. I think Sarah has overall done a good job with her children and maintaining a positive relationship with your children's father is always a good thing. HOWEVER, it seems that Sarah brings up the past a lot-Diana, how the family treated her, how the press treated her etc... this leads to reviewing past clippings, books, articles and ultimately stirs up a lot of negative feelings. Maybe its time to let it rest.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by kimebear

I His entire estate has its own label! Duchy Originals is capitalism at its finest, but he doesn't receive the negative press that Sarah gets.

Give me such capitalism any day! Because the gains of Duchy Originals are used 100%& to fund the prince's charities. We would live in a much better world if all gains from companies went to charity instead to the stockholders.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Russophile

Kime, what I get from what Jo says is that though Sarah isn't royal and doesn't have to answer to the masses, she keeps plugging her royal ties.
Jo, correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Sky, yes, My Peter has a way with words does he not?

Not only with words - in fact his words and the facts he presented really convinced at least this one of his readers about who Anna Anderson in reality was!

And yes, you're right, Mrs. Russo, my point is that Sarah still tries to appear a family member of the BRF while living a life that is damaging to their public image. And they obviously can't do anything about it.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

Give me such capitalism any day! Because the gains of Duchy Originals are used 100%& to fund the prince's charities. We would live in a much better world if all gains from companies went to charity instead to the stockholders.

And they do sell exceedingly good produce!

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

And they do sell exceedingly good produce!

We have a supermarket in the next village which caters to the "upper crust" of people living by the lakeside of Ammersee and there I can buy all sorts of Duchy Original products. They sell pretty well, I was told and no wonder: especially the orange cookies are worth walking to the next village! (Okay, okay, I use that as a reason on going there while walking my dog along the lake....).

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Menarue

When I said she sounds common I´wasn´t talking about her speech, she, which is only natural, sounds completely upper class. I was referring to the way she speaks loudly so as other people can hear her, that is common.

Menargue, speaking loudly so that others can hear is not something confined to the lower classes or 'commoners'. Certainly not here anyway. You only have to go into one of the Gentlemans clubs (yes some of them allow women) in London, to disprove the misconception that it is the commoners that are the worst offenders.
Sarah can be loud and has in the past been indiscreet, but common she aint!

[Kezza]

Vulgar, Vulgar, Valgar......Thats what they said about her once.

[Menarue]

You are confusing commoner and common they are two different things.
I should have said "acted in a very common way" and they do let all kinds of people into what used to be exclusive clubs these days.
I will take with gratitude what Kezza said and put common (from my point of view) = vulgar or vice versa. The act not the person.
There is a wonderful little phrase from Nancy Mitford´s "Love in a Cold Climate" when she is describing a lady and says (paraphrasing) she is very vulgar and hasn´t even got the excuse of being low born.

[rominet09]

I think she should stop wearing short skirts, her legs are horrible

[Bella]

Originally Posted by rominet09

I think she should stop wearing short skirts, her legs are horrible

Exactly. I like a little more length will be way more flatteing anyhow.

[Roslyn]

Knees are generally not attractive in anyone over the age of 20, and Sarah's are no exception. Her calves and ankles seem fine though.

[Russophile]

Actually, I think she has fine legs, you just don't expose them when they are as white as hers are without nylons. They tend to look like dead fish, and I'm no exception!!