JR76
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You know, she might be the Queen and grandmother of the bride but at Beatrice's wedding she's just a guest. The wedding is not about her.
People like to be different. Some people have their dog as their best man! I'm sure he'll have plenty of other people to organise the stag do, support him on the day, make a speech if they want one, etc.
The Queen is 93. She's lived through a world war and tremendous social and political change. There's very little she hasn't seen or heard before. I doubt she'll be too fazed by this!
Interesting, I had always thought that Bm and MoO had the same function as the witnesses we need in the Netherlands. You need one (may have two) witness for bride and groom each. They sign the weddingcertificate, thereby proclaiming that the wedding was legal, between two consenting adults and that they promiss to support the couple in their married life.I am not enchanted with the idea of a 3 year old as best man...1) A three year old is a toddler not a man 2) A toddler is unable to provide any practical support to the groom such as keeping the ring safe and making a proper traditional toast later. A 3 year old standing at the altar is there primarily for the "awww isn't that sweet" factor. 3) If he is a shy child, it might not end well.
Surrounding Wolfie with other small children as a page boy or ring bearer seems not only the most pragmatic way to go, but the most compassionate one as well.
I guess I'm odd because I find having Wolfie included in a prominent role in his father's wedding endearing. Little kids love stories about themselves as they grow up and start asking questions. My favorite story was how my mom and dad got to "pick me out". Perhaps the inclusion of Wolfie in such a prominent position next to his father is to symbolize that Edo and Beatrice are not only marrying each other but that they're also forming a family. My oldest son was a member of the bridal party twice (ring bearer) before he was four years old, tux and all and still remembers doing it. Never underestimate a three year old.
I've heard of several occasions where when a man is going to propose marriage to a woman who already has children, he'll seek the kid's permission first reminiscent of the asking the father for his daughter's hand in marriage.
Again, this may all be supposition and a figment of someone's imagination as there's been no official announcement. We'll see what develops.
[...] We also need to keep in mind the class these two people come from. Edo is next in line to an Italian title (though not acknowledged by Italian government anymore) but this boy is unlikely to inherit that title and land and house when his father dies because he was born out of wedlock- those will go to Edo and Bea eldest son (when or if they have one). [....]
Edoardo is the only male descendent taking the family into the next generation. He is a count – his wife will be a countess automatically and any of their children will be counts or nobile donna.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...rice-Contessa-marrying-family-posher-own.html
'The title Conte is recognised to all male family descendants but only by marriage,' explains the Collegio Araldico historical society in Rome.
'Edo's son Wolfie, although recognised by his father, carrying his surname, has not the title of count. Wolfie is not a count, as Edoardo is not married to his mother. If Edoardo and Beatrice marry and have a son, he will be a count.' Not to mention an heir to the magnificent Villa Mapelli Mozzi.
Wow, some comments on here are really negative. I thought the best man idea is so cute abviously his friends will be taksed with organizing other things, but I doubt his friends have to worry about that much considering others are tasked with organizing these types of wedding. The only reason I believe this is because the DM has been on point about Beatrice's wedding.
By the way wolfe will be 4 sometime this year.
hmmmm I read an interesting new article that has lots of info about the whole title thing Edo's biological father gave a recent new interview though I dont know how accurate things are considering it says he has yet to meet his daughter in law and yet he has never seen his son so happy and has only met the ex once. I dont know how close they are though since I believe Eduardo has said his step father was more of a real father to him at his memorial service. The article even points this out. He gives me Thomas Markle vibes.
Or even how well his biological father understands UK/Italian law regarding tittle but he says this:
Gleam from this what you may.
Welll, neither country recognizes the title officially and maybe Beatrice and Eduardro wanted priavte wedding either way considering Wolfe. The mother and edo use to post loads of photos of him, They deleted most and now have a private instagram for him.So, Beatrice is marrying the "poshest "partner of any of her Royal British peers. She will add the title of " Countess" to that of princess. Her sons and daughters will be counts and countesses ..whether or not they "permitted " to use their titles or not.
She will eventually become chatelaine to the Villa Mapelli-Mozzi, one of the most beautiful palaces in Italy.
And even so she is being compelled to have the most low key (by Royal standards) wedding of her generation....
Yes I know the title has no legal standing either way Just quoteing whatt the article said in regards to Edos son .This information is purely for informal use. For Italian law Edo is Signore Mapelli Mozzi, no more, no less. And Edo's son is Edo's son and a rightful for equal distribution of his father's private wealth. Of course the ancestral domain can have a form of legal protection, for an example by placing it in a family trust, so that no longer a natural person but a legal entity is the owner.
If the ancestral estate happens to be a purely private property (and remains so) then it is subject to equal and gender neutral distribution amongst the children. Most likely the ancestral villa is registered as a commercial property as it partly functions as a hotel these days, with all regulations. Therefore it is most likely owned by the family enterprise rather than by a private person, is my guess.
I will! If I could I'd post that gif from Steel Magnolias with Olympia Dukakis & Dolly Parton [emoji2275]Come sit beside me.
That's how all titles work, AFAIK - going back to the days when counts were expected to marry someone of equal rank but it was considered OK for them to have umpteen mistresses and illegitimate children. But Edo doesn't use the title anyway. And, whilst it's a gorgeous palace, they're not going to be living in it. It looks as if it's used as a hotel - if you look it up on Google, it comes up on Trip Advisor and people have written reviews of their stays there. I dread to think how much it costs, but it looks lovely!
Legally recognised or not the Italian nobility still use their titles socially and these are still inherited according to the different rules depending on geographical origin, terms of ennoblement, which monarchy the family originated from etc...
To be frank I've long been quite puzzled by how many members of this forum which is dedicated to royal and noble families are very quick to put forward opinions in the vein of that because a state doesn't recognise the titles of these families they're irrelevant and so are any discussion about them
And sorry for asking: Will Beatrice become a countess Mapelli Mozzi after the wedding?