Gender & Names for Kate & William's 3rd Child

[Frideswide]

If they were superstitious I think they would have avoided Charlotte, but it seems that they aren't troubled by historic tragedies. As it's a Spencer name, I wouldn't have ruled out John if it was currently fashionable, but it's outside the top 100. That would be a refreshing choice.

 

[Denville]

there have been loads of royal Charlotte's and no more than the average bad luck involving them. However JOhn not so much. There's "Bad King John". and there was Q Alexandra's son who died at birth and Q Mary's who was ill and died young. So I hink they DO have a bad feeling about that name.

 

[Queen Claude]

Boy
Philip Arthur Michael
Michael Arthur Philip
Michael Philip David
Philip David Michael
Philip Michael Leopold
Michael Philip Leopold


Girl
Helena Victoria Alix
Alix Helena Mary
Victoria Helena Mary
Catherine Helena Mary
Philippa
Amalia / Amelia
Georgina / Georgiana

 

[Frideswide]

there have been loads of royal Charlotte's and no more than the average bad luck involving them. However JOhn not so much. There's "Bad King John". and there was Q Alexandra's son who died at birth and Q Mary's who was ill and died young. So I hink they DO have a bad feeling about that name.

It depends who you mean by "they". This may certainly have been true of the royals who were having children in the 20th century, but I am only referring to the current generation, eg the Cambridges.

Has there been a Princess Charlotte in the BRF since George IV's daughter and heir died in childbirth at 21? I can't think of any.

 

[Lee-Z]

It depends who you mean by "they". This may certainly have been true of the royals who were having children in the 20th century, but I am only referring to the current generation, eg the Cambridges.

Has there been a Princess Charlotte in the BRF since George IV's daughter and heir died in childbirth at 21? I can't think of any.

Princess Margaret of Connaught (crown princess of Sweden) had Charlotte among her names (Margaret Victoria Charlotte Augusta Norah)

 

[Countessmeout]

I'm sorry I think some names honesly do have an ugly sound.. like for example Cuthbert, two short "blunt sounding" syllables. and I don't think anyone has been called by that name in decades.
But logically, it is not the fault of the name "David" that the D of Windsor was a selfish and irresponsible man.. It is a popular name, and has many more positive associations than its being the name of the DOW. It is the name of the Patron saint of wales,
Time has passed now and I think that for a younger son, it would be a nice name, and would reference the years that Will & Kate spent in Wales.

Did I say that there was an issue with you thinking a name was ugly

What I said was like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, names and if they are ugly or not, is the same. You may think Albert is the ugliest name in the world but that doesn't rule it out. Because Kate and William might think it adorable. Whether a name is attractive or not is an opinion.

The history of the name on the other hand is not something that is arguable. Unless I guess you think being a Nazi sympathizer who ditched the throne, is a good thing. I guess you could.

Like you said, there are other associations. Princess Margaret got over the bad association with her Uncle, because of her Other Uncle David. I guess if Kate and William are absolutely obsessed with the patron saint of Wales they may be determined.

The reality is there are many members of the family alive who knew David, and public. Its not 'so much time has passed'. In the main line, I honestly don't see David being used as a first name (perhaps middle) until at least the queen has passed.

It depends who you mean by "they". This may certainly have been true of the royals who were having children in the 20th century, but I am only referring to the current generation, eg the Cambridges.

Has there been a Princess Charlotte in the BRF since George IV's daughter and heir died in childbirth at 21? I can't think of any.

As a first name- 1. William IV had a daughter named Charlotte Augusta Louisa who died only a few hours after birth. She was born 2 years after George IV's daughter died, when her dad was still duke of Clarence.

We do see it later as a middle name. Princess Augusta of Cambridge (she was named after her godmothers, her five paternal aunts who included Queen Charlotte of Wurttemberg were among them), Princess Maude of Wales/queen of Norway (likely in honor of her maternal great-grandmother Louise Charlotte of Denmark, her mother also had it as a middle name),Margaret of Connaught have had it as middle names.

 

[Lee-Z]

As P.Harry has David as one of his names already, i don't think there would be a big problem if they really wanted to use that for the baby?

Came across the name Leopoldine, maybe they will use something very traditional like that (i'm pretty sure they will go with traditional, but that still leaves a whole lot of options )

 

[Frideswide]

Princess Margaret of Connaught (crown princess of Sweden) had Charlotte among her names (Margaret Victoria Charlotte Augusta Norah)

I mean as a first name.

 

[Frideswide]

As P.Harry has David as one of his names already, i don't think there would be a big problem if they really wanted to use that for the baby?

Absolutely. I think the BRF are much more relaxed about names than some people give them credit for. I'd also bet that the majority of the public are unaware that the Duke of Windsor was known as David in private. The Queen's own choices were not that predictable. Naming her fourth child Edward might be seen as controversial in that context.

Came across the name Leopoldine, maybe they will use something very traditional like that (i'm pretty sure they will go with traditional, but that still leaves a whole lot of options )

It's a bit of a mouthful for a girl, but Leopold isn't a stretch for a boy as Leo is very popular now.

 

[Lee-Z]

Thought popped into my head that if they had twins and named them "David" and "Victoria" the general public would think they named them after the Beckhams.... can't unthink it now

 

[Lee-Z]

I mean as a first name.

Ah, okay, P.Victoria (Princess Royal, eldest daughter of Q.Victoria) had a daughter P.Charlotte of Prussia, don't know if that counts?

By the way, i really like the name Charlotte and love that W&K used that for their second child but i didn't guess it up front, so probably all my guesses now will prove to be wrong

I'm sticking with Henrietta for a girl

 

[LadyCatharine]

Alice for a girl..

I'm stumped ,although it looks like she's carrying a girl!

 

[Frideswide]

Thought popped into my head that if they had twins and named them "David" and "Victoria" the general public would think they named them after the Beckhams.... can't unthink it now

LOL I thought along similar lines.

 

[Frideswide]

Ah, okay, P.Victoria (Princess Royal, eldest daughter of Q.Victoria) had a daughter P.Charlotte of Prussia, don't know if that counts?

Strictly speaking, not British RF.
So if there have been no Princess Charlottes in the BRF since those two prematurely deceased Hanoverians, I think that suggests that the name may have since been thought unlucky. And therefore that the Cambridges aren't superstitious about names.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

I'm still placing my bets on Alice (then Baby Cambridge would share their name with me ) or Mary for a girl and Arthur for a boy.

Strictly speaking, not British RF.
So if there have been no Princess Charlottes in the BRF since those two prematurely deceased Hanoverians, I think that suggests that the name may have since been thought unlucky. And therefore that the Cambridges aren't superstitious about names.

I agree. The Cambridge perhaps have a more "modern" (not sure if this is the right word to use here) outlook on names for their children. Do names for immediate members of the BRF have to have HM's approval, or can they use whatever names they like? I know that marriages have to have her approval so I've always wondered if it was the same for names.

 

[Spheno]

Do names for immediate members of the BRF have to have HM's approval, or can they use whatever names they like? I know that marriages have to have her approval so I've always wondered if it was the same for names.

The queen has legal custody of her grandchildren, even during their parents' lifetime. So her word is last.
I don't known about great-grandchildren.

 

[Denville]

She would probably nix any name she realy did not like or thought unsuitable, at least for Will's children and Harry's as they are "main line"..

 

[Pranter]

I don't think any of those in the higher positions are going to name their children Moonbeam etc....they tend to be more traditional when it comes to naming their children. I don't think the Queen gives them a list of options and says pick one.



LaRae

 

[Denville]

I did not say that she did. however, I am sure that she expects to be told prior to the announcement.. and wuld nix anyting she didn't like............

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Ah, okay, P.Victoria (Princess Royal, eldest daughter of Q.Victoria) had a daughter P.Charlotte of Prussia, don't know if that counts?

I'm sticking with Henrietta for a girl

Henrietta sounds lovely. There has not been a Princess Henrietta since Princess Henrietta Anne, who was the daughter of King Charles I.

 

[Mirabel]

She would probably nix any name she realy did not like or thought unsuitable, at least for Will's children and Harry's as they are "main line"..

I don't think it is restricted to the main line.
I once read Fergie wanted to name her daughter Annabel, but the Queen thought it was too trendy or something, and suggested Beatrice.


(On the other hand, she didn't object to Zara).

 

[Frideswide]

The Queen doesn't veto names, but may offer advice. In the case of Annabel, she reminded the Yorks that "Annabel's" is a very famous London night club which was often featured in gossip columns and might have embarrassing associations. So they had second thoughts. I hadn't heard that Beatrice was the Queen's suggestion.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The combinations are endless; we'll soon know the child's name and hear that he/she has been born healthy.

Prince George Alexander Louis, Princess Charlotte Elizabeth Diana and ....

Princess Phoebe Mary Frances
Princess Edwina Sophie Catherine
Princess Claire Victoria Frances

Prince David William Francis
Prince Francis Henry Arthur
Prince Edward Peter Michael

 

[Denville]

I have heard this story about Fergie and Annabel but I'm not sure I believe it. I think that Fergie chose the names Beatrice and Eugenie Helena Victoria because she was trying to emphasise the family connextio to Q Victoria and to show that she knew a lot about RF history.
I think the queen didn't bother about Zara because P Anne's daughter was a commoner, who was not ever going to be doing royal duties, so she didn't mind her having an unusual name

 

[King of the Jungle]

I once read (don't know how true it is) that Zara was suggested by her Uncle Charles. The name has nice meanings in various cultures - princess, bright dawn and flower. There is no need for every royal to have all tradiitonal names. The new baby Cambridge's name could be a big surprise like the name of cousin Zara.

 

[Mirabel]

There is no need for every royal to have all tradiitonal names. The new baby Cambridge's name could be a big surprise like the name of cousin Zara.

Yes, but I think a baby in the direct line has to have at least one regnal name, in case s/he succeeds to the throne.
The Queen's father did; even though his first name was Albert, he was crowned with a middle name as George VI.

 

[Frideswide]

Yes, but I think a baby in the direct line has to have at least one regnal name, in case s/he succeeds to the throne.

This isn't true. Like any other British citizen, the sovereign may legally use any name s/he likes.

What about Princess Margaret Rose, who for some time was second in line to the throne? Neither of her names had previously been a BRF regnal name.

The Queen's father did; even though his first name was Albert, he was crowned with a middle name as George VI.

The reason for this was tied up with the abdication. Bertie chose to use the same regnal name as his father, to give the effect of continuity.

 

[Queen Claude]

When George VI was born, Albert was intended to be a regnal name. Edward VII was born Albert Edward but chose the regnal name of Edward VII as opposed to Albert I. His oldest son and heir apparent was Albert Victor, but he died which led to his younger brother George becoming heir. When heir apparent Edward VIII was born, Queen Victoria wanted his first name to be Albert but George and Mary uncharacteristically defied her and named him Edward, although it should be noted that Albert is one of Edward VIII's middle names.

 

[Denville]

That's true. I think the queen would feel that children close ot the throne, SHOULD have a couple of names at least that are "conventional" so that if they did end up on the throne they would be able to choose a name that was sutiable for a king or queen. ANne's daughter was miles away, and in any case had two conventional names of Anne and Elizabeth.
While its true that anyone can call themselves any name they like, it is problaby best if you are in the RF, and you might just be the monarch, to be able to pick a name from the ones you already have...

 

[Mirabel]

The reason for this was tied up with the abdication. Bertie chose to use the same regnal name as his father, to give the effect of continuity.

Eh, I bet he was just pleased to be able to dump the name Albert.
The continuity thing made a good excuse!