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Old 01-11-2009, 10:59 AM
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It's getting serious,in my opinion,although it wasn't the right night to propose.Perhaps,it's not the right phase in William's life to propose in general,as many members said before.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:33 PM
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To be honest I get the impression that William doesn’t really care what people think about his and Kate’s relationship. I think he stayed there simply because that is what they had planned to do and not as a sort of a ‘yes we’re together, everything is fine’ signal for the media. IMO if he was going to go down that road with them he would of done it long before now. Of course I could be very wrong and this could be their way of saying ‘OK we’re not getting married any time soon but we are in a stable and serious relationship’. Who knows?
I see the line of events of this last year and it does show me that there is some sort of public commitment, even though there is no formal announcement yet. For any traditional thinking person the fact that he is allowed to stay overnight in such a public way at his girlfriend's home when her parents are at home is quite a declaration of ernestness. I wouldn't wonder if this was the night he declared his intentions to her parents after he had received his father's Royal permission (in lieu of HM).

Or am I the only one one who thinks that the fact that his car was parked overnight at her house for anyone to see gives the relationship more weight?
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:39 PM
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Perhaps it does give it more weight but it might also show a complete disregard for appearances.
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What do you mean?That William,or perhaps both,doesn't care about when,where and how the paparazzis or the people will see him?
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What do you mean?That William,or perhaps both,doesn't care about when,where and how the paparazzis or the people will see him?
No, I will spell it out. Usually a young man is more careful about showing he is spending a night with a young lady, but then modern times. Her parents were present I think/know but even then he could be more careful of her reputation - unless of course he is popping the question right now.....
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So it's O.K. for Kate to be known to have spent days with William's father and stepmother without consequence to her reputation. But it's not O.K. for William to be known to have spent a night at her parents' house without a formal engagement?

How about all the times they've been photographed on the same ski or beach vacations. They would have stayed in the same places.
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Old 01-11-2009, 02:16 PM
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Oops! Now what?
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:55 PM
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this won't have any effect on her reputation. it's as normal as holding hands these days. honestly, we don't live in the dark ages anymore. and anyone that thinks, after all this time that she's still a virgin...well lets just say that they haven't been paying much attention. i can't help but think that some sort of significant event is going to take place in the near future. for william to agree to spend the night, quietly at her parents home makes me think that they are trying to enjoy the last moments/days of privacy and normalcy that they may have left. yes, there was some hoopla during catherine's birthday last year but let's face it, it was the paps following her...par for the course nowadays for her. she has significanlty reduced her time in public as has been evidenced by the lack of photos of her so it sends a signal. we'll just have to be patient.
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To be honest I get the impression that William doesn’t really care what people think about his and Kate’s relationship. I think he stayed there simply because that is what they had planned to do and not as a sort of a ‘yes we’re together, everything is fine’ signal for the media. IMO if he was going to go down that road with them he would of done it long before now. Of course I could be very wrong and this could be their way of saying ‘OK we’re not getting married any time soon but we are in a stable and serious relationship’. Who knows?
I tend to agree with you, Amelia. I think that we all probably scrutinize and make meaning from their actions a lot more than they do.
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this won't have any effect on her reputation. it's as normal as holding hands these days. honestly, we don't live in the dark ages anymore. and anyone that thinks, after all this time that she's still a virgin...well lets just say that they haven't been paying much attention. i can't help but think that some sort of significant event is going to take place in the near future. for william to agree to spend the night, quietly at her parents home makes me think that they are trying to enjoy the last moments/days of privacy and normalcy that they may have left. yes, there was some hoopla during catherine's birthday last year but let's face it, it was the paps following her...par for the course nowadays for her. she has significanlty reduced her time in public as has been evidenced by the lack of photos of her so it sends a signal. we'll just have to be patient.
Well the days of chivalry seem to have been left back in the dark ages. There was a time when at least the man, if he cared for a girl enough, was more careful about being seen too openly going about doing what everyone knew they were doing anyway.....it was only a gesture but it was a polite gesture.
If what they are doing means no more than a handshake these days, then I suppose there is no reason to expect an announcement.
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I tend to agree with you, Amelia. I think that we all probably scrutinize and make meaning from their actions a lot more than they do.
Definitely we do, along with the press. When there were no photographs of them together for a while towards the end of last year the press had them all but broken up, when photographers finally caught up with them again the press had them ready to announce to their engagement at Christmas/New Year/Kate’s birthday. I really think that they are just two people in a relationship following their own path.
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Or am I the only one one who thinks that the fact that his car was parked overnight at her house for anyone to see gives the relationship more weight?
I think this is completely irrelevant.
William has stayed at the Middleton's before, he has gone numerous times on vacation with the whole family, he even saw mama Middleton in a bikini.
Obviously, they know Kate and William sleep together and nobody is having a problem with that.

Nowadays, unless there is a case of underage sex or if the family is very traditional and religious, I can't see how any parent would have any problem with their adult daughter having a sexual relationship with her long term boyfriend, even under their own roof (their house is big anyway).
I also would seriously question the judgement, or rather, the realism, of anyone who would think less of Kate (or William) based on this.
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I'm sure nobody has a problem with that.I don't even understand why we continue this.They are a modern couple and that's it.My question is different:don't you feel that they are much closer to a serious commitment this time?Personally,I do
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They have got to have serious commitment to be together for six years.
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Nowadays, unless there is a case of underage sex or if the family is very traditional and religious, I can't see how any parent would have any problem with their adult daughter having a sexual relationship with her long term boyfriend, even under their own roof (their house is big anyway).

I also would seriously question the judgement, or rather, the realism, of anyone who would think less of Kate (or William) based on this.
Well said, Idriel. I agree completely. They're two adults in a long-term committed relationship, and that should be that.
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don't you feel that they are much closer to a serious commitment this time?Personally,I do
I see no indication either way.
If you look at their relationship before 2007, William already stayed at the Middletons from time to times, Kate was already being invited to royal properties and social events, the whole family got invited to his passing out parade in presence of the Queen and that yet didn't prevent him to swiftly dump her a few months later.
I think the only sure fire conclusion we can make from his staying in for her birthday is that they are a couple at the moment, and like any couple they like to spend time together. Period.
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Well the days of chivalry seem to have been left back in the dark ages. There was a time when at least the man, if he cared for a girl enough, was more careful about being seen too openly going about doing what everyone knew they were doing anyway.....it was only a gesture but it was a polite gesture.
If what they are doing means no more than a handshake these days, then I suppose there is no reason to expect an announcement.
to be honest, i would love to see chivalry and old fashioned manners come back into vogue but that's not very likely to happen. her reputation has never come in to question during all these vacations they take or while she spent the night at CH so why would it come into question now. the mere fact that he is going to her home rather than she going to his is quite significant IMO. i think the time has come for him to spend time in her surroundings...getting to know her family and them getting to know him and this is why i feel that something is going to happen in the near future.
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I'd bet that this isn't the first time Prince William has stayed at the Middleton family home, but it is interesting that his car was parked in a place where it was obviously visible to the camera. Surely he knew that if there was a chance of photographers being around, they'd see the car and it would make news. Perhaps that's the most significant part of this, if there is one?
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that could be true ella however i would think that having the prince stay at their home would entail a lot of security so i can't see it happening very often. it is interesting that his car would be in plain sight. you would think that it would either be hidden from sight or more likely that he would be driven there.
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I think that William and Kate are very much people of their times. I know of people who have had old-fashioned courtships, including my hubby and I; but people who are like that now are very much counter-cultural.

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