What is your opinion of Frederik and Mary

[angele]

Princess May of Teck, who was well known to be painfully shy, married Prince George, who, although not crown Prince at the time, was next in line to the British throne. There are degrees of introversion; it's possible to be somewhat introverted or shy and still be able to live a public sort of life.

I do not believe Mary is shy at all, her previous careers were as a real estate agent and lawyer, who has ever met a shy real estate agent, they try to sell you the moon and a lawyer, another job that a shy person would get nowhere in.

 

[norwegianne]

Allow me to point out that unemployment continue to fall in Denmark. We're talking about 4.5% unemployment, the second lowest in the EU. That means that "Fewer than 150,000 Danes are unemployed, according to the latest survey" - http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-01/10/content_4030918.htm

In addition to that, there is a pretty good welfare system in place - and social benefits, in terms of money, from the state is also given out to people without jobs. The state also pays child benefit.

 

[UserDane]

Angele and Fandesacs2003,

I agree that it would be a problem if the DRF was seen as spending inordinate amounts of money on eg. clothes. But I haven't seen that critisim; more often I think the press notices when the royals recycle their clothes, sometimes very imaginatively.
When the royal family, including F&M, is allotted a specific sum each year from the state, I still think it is their decision how they chose to spend that money, - as long as they fulfil their part of the 'contract'. Representation in nice clothes is part of that contract IMO. I am sure that more money is being spent on Mary's wardrobe these first couple of years of her marriage than we will see afterwards. Fandesacs2003, I fully understand your comments of how poor people may perceive the display of affluence. However, I don't think that people resent the royal family for that. Some dispute the existence of a royal family, but since we have one, it is not my impression that they are seen as dressing overly expensive or having more expensive habits than their royal collegues in other countries.
Angele, as to the labels she uses, you focus on international labels; she wears that too. But she certainly uses Danish designers as well, Malene Birger has often been mentioned.
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[Margrethe II]

There most definitly are degrees of introversion Elspeth, I truely agree with this.

You dont have to be loud, obnoxious & eager to be a lawyer or real etsate agent, this is the typical stereotype at it's best. Actually, my fathers younger brother is a lawyer and he is extremely shy, and if I may add is well known and sorted throughout the Melbourne legal curcuits and courts. One can still maintain an effective role in such a profession without being overtly confident or talkative. They are payed to defend their clientele to the best they can and this doesn't require them (personally)being open.

Sorry for getting a little off topic then moderators...

"MII"

 

[Margrethe II]

Malene Birger has often been mentioned.

Not forgetting Uffe Frank, Julie Fagerholt & Kenth Fredin just to name a few...

"MII"

 

[angele]

Not forgetting Uffe Frank, Julie Fagerholt & Kenth Fredin just to name a few...

"MII"

Yep and in Denmark these clothes would also be known as designer labels and are up there with Prada and D&G ect.

 

[angele]

There most definitly are degrees of introversion Elspeth, I truely agree with this.

You dont have to be loud, obnoxious & eager to be a lawyer or real etsate agent, this is the typical stereotype at it's best. Actually, my fathers younger brother is a lawyer and he is extremely shy, and if I may add is well known and sorted throughout the Melbourne legal curcuits and courts. One can still maintain an effective role in such a profession without being overtly confident or talkative. They are payed to defend their clientele to the best they can and this doesn't require them (personally)being open.

Sorry for getting a little off topic then moderators...

"MII"

Perhaps there are shy lawyers but shy realestate agents???

 

[UserDane]

Yep and in Denmark these clothes would also be known as designer labels and are up there with Prada and D&G ect.

I think you are wrong there. I don't have clothes from any of these, but I have friends who have Malene Birger and Julie Fagerholt - ordinary women. So it cannot be in the price league of what you compare them to.
Why does it upset you if she wears these clothes when she is seen out and about?? Other CPss wear clothes from various designers when they are out


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[angele]

I will hunt around and see if I can find the article. I am glad to hear that those danish designers are not expensive and the ordinary dane can afford them, that is nice to see.

 

[Hotdog]

1. She was never a real estate agent.
She worked for a Real Estate agent in the capacity of Marketing Manager.
(Sydney's most prestegious Real Estate company Belle Property specialising in the Executive and up-Market properties).
Her role would have been to identify potential client sources, identify and purchase suitable advertising space and liase with advertising companies on Belle's advertising needs.

She did not have a Real Estate License therefore she could not legally sell real estate in Australia.

2. I don't think she would have needed to be an extrovert to be either a marketing executive or a real estate agent. In Australia more females are succeeding in Real Estate and other similar professions because they don't do the "hard sell" that often puts clients off.

3.If she was dealing with other professionals within the real estate and advertising field she wouldn't need to be assertive or loud just professional in her approach.

 

[Lena]

I guess, at the end of the day that those who aren't fond of or even dont like Mary are quite happy to be this way. They seem quite content in trying to project a negative view of the Crown Princess and no indavidual shall sway their prejudiced views, even if presented with material and facts that could make all see just how truely kind and sincere she really is.

And it's very true! First impressions last and for many, this seems to the case. But, at least those who have stated this, realise it


"MII"

Well, the question is why one should be prejudiced towards Mary. It´s not that she has stolen our boyfriends or has knocked us over on the street. I think almost all tried to look at her with positive feelings and still try it. But what should you do, when you aren´t convinced of her actions??
There also your so called "facts" can´t change things. Most posters here know your so called facts very well and they look with an other view on them. So far you have nothing presented, where one could really say "Yes, she´s right...here we were wrong". Yes, she works for associations in the medical field, no one has doubted that. And yes all non-fashion duties overweigh. But put this in relation! How many other crownprincess have 1 third, 1 fourth, or only 1 fifth of all duties as fashion/design events.
Yes, she wears danish designers like Marlene Birger, but have you counted all her high class designer wear from Prada or Hugo Boss?
Maybe she hasn´t 400 shoes, but she has gotten in 2 years more shoes, than I will ever have in my life (yes, I know, that she represents a state, but also princesses can wear shoes more often)
And I think what also plays a role is her appearance. She seems stiff, her smile is enforced, her interviews are so pathetic.
I know, that you don´t see it like this and I accept it. But maybe you should also accept, that some simply aren´t very fond of her and that they know of what they speak (and haven´t seen Mary at one fashion duty and that was it) <-> <->

 

[Harmony]

Well, the question is why one should be prejudiced towards Mary. It´s not that she has stolen our boyfriends or has knocked us over on the street. I think almost all tried to look at her with positive feelings and still try it. But what should you do, when you aren´t convinced of her actions??

Perhaps she has taken the shine off in some princesses in a short time of her entrance in two years and there are so much publicity about her?? If she is not popular and hardly being mentioned will she still be a hot topic now ?

Maybe the bashing will go to some other princesses instead .

 

[angele]

1. She was never a real estate agent.
She worked for a Real Estate agent in the capacity of Marketing Manager.
(Sydney's most prestegious Real Estate company Belle Property specialising in the Executive and up-Market properties).
Her role would have been to identify potential client sources, identify and purchase suitable advertising space and liase with advertising companies on Belle's advertising needs.

Mary knew how to pick the prestigious ones! seemed to be looking for the upper echelon male too if you ask me, dated an executive and a swans football star aswell, must have got some pointers in picking the up market ones from the whos who in sydney realestate elite.

A lot about Mary doesn't add up to me, I do not believe she is the shy retiring type for a second she knew what she wanted and she got it, kudos to her! but at the same time you have to wonder about some of her actions, starmakers, meeting the prince in the first place, gatecrashing the handball party to find fred, her previous relationships all smell that she was looking for the celebrity lifestyle, even where she was living in Sydney was the it area. Her more royal than the royal attitude and look just doesn't gel with me, it can be very fake and off putting. I also find Mary lacking substance she doesn't come across normal to me, what she has said in her articles such as vogue are a lot of air that tell you nothing about what she is really like, but are very airy fairy. I think a lot of a persons character can be seen in their eyes and Mary's I don't feel warmth from, she almost looks through you rather than at you, this can be seen in photos and is also off putting.

This is of course my opinion only.

 

[UserDane]

This is of course my opinion only.

Indeed it is and I have read your opinion frequently elsewhere. I'm not sure if this is the right place to air all the half-truths, self-inventions and urban legends which another site excels at introducing, promoting and nursing?



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(edit: the angry face is not inserted by me - at least not willingly - but can't remove it )


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[Lil princess lost]

I dont know wheather I'm the only one that notices but when Mary was pregnant Fred was'nt as attentive as I thought/expected him to be. Like during official appearances he alway seemd to not take notice of Mary; and when she had to for example step down stairs he would sort of just walk ahead... maybe I'm just imagining it. Oh and on a contardictoy note the way Fred ued to cater to Mary's every whim like a besotted puppy used to annoy me-remeber the picture of Fred holding the umbrella for Mary-heehee, such a classic. Other that that Fred and Mary rock.

 

[angele]

Indeed it is and I have read your opinion frequently elsewhere. I'm not sure if this is the right place to air all the half-truths, self-inventions and urban legends which another site excels at introducing, promoting and nursing?
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Well all that I have gathered and developed on my opinion on Mary is from the media, blame them not me, other posters have no influence on me I look at things from both sides of the fence. I am yet to see a real solid reason to like Mary thats all, show me one and I possibly would change my mind.


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[carlota]

why do people have to get so passionate about a normal discussion? why can't some people just accept that some users have their own opinion and that it may differ from the others without entering in the stupid argument of "people are getting bored" or "you are jealous of him/her"? that's just childish. i think people admit they respect others opinions but the cruel truth is that they don't. if those people saying silly comments were so sure about their opinions, why do you need to publically humiliate/insult the others with such comments? live and let live is what wise men say....

 

[Harmony]

was in Denmark recently and loved the country and the people I found very nice. I am merely just expressing my opinion on Mary, I do not see her as the perfect wonderful crown princess that others do thats all, I am entitled to my opinion, if you think that negative opinion is not entitled then that imo is discrimination.

Oh! You sound so familiar like someone I read somewhere who just came back from Denmark and claimed that the beauty of Mary cannot be compared with the Danish girls there.

 

[Harmony]

why do people have to get so passionate about a normal discussion? why can't some people just accept that some users have their own opinion and that it may differ from the others without entering in the stupid argument of "people are getting bored" or "you are jealous of him/her"? that's just childish. i think people admit they respect others opinions but the cruel truth is that they don't. if those people saying silly comments were so sure about their opinions, why do you need to publically humiliate/insult the others with such comments? live and let live is what wise men say....

If it is based on lies and gossips , would you not just as passionate as defending your own favourite Royalty.

 

[norwegianne]

Several posts have been deleted as they were attacking other users, and referring to discussions from other boards. As a reminder from the Rules of TRF:

Reference to and continuations of discussions from other MBs is absolutely not permitted and will be automatically removed without discussion by Administrators or Super Moderators.

I'd also like to note that personal attacks on other members are NOT allowed, no matter what side of the "Mary-divide" you find yourself on.

Anyone have any trouble with this, feel free to PM me or another moderator.

Norwegianne
TRF Moderator.

 

[carlota]

If it is based on lies and gossips , would you not just as passionate as defending your own favourite Royalty.

i would, but there were users who didn't base their thoughts on lies and gossips and got really bad responses. and if that's the case... wouldn't it be better to kindly explain why the person is wrong, so that he himself can judge wether to change his opinion or not?

 

[Harmony]

Then support what they have said for eg. 400 shoes, show articles that Mary has 400 shoes, and how can you judge a person by merely looking at pictures ? Can I apply that to all other Royalties as well? Maybe I should start looking at their irises.

The facts shown that she has attended so many events associated with her patronages in 2005. Honestly speaking that is an impressive list for a new princess. You do not have to compliment her for that but neither is necessary to put her down for small isuues to provoke. She is trying her very best carrying out her Royal duties within a short period of time in a new country and also trying to master one of the most difficult language , Danish. My respect goes without saying to all other new Princesses who I am sure encounter many obstacles in their way in finding their role .

 

[Jaques Demolay]

This information has not been made up, at this moment I am looking for the article that it came from in the first place, and I didn't write it. The post was not meant to provoke at all I was just expressing my opinion, and again if its negative and not pro mary, people such as your self jump on the defence.

angele

Yup, right.. yeah ahh... look, when you find the article, let us know ok??


Jaques D.

 

[Little_star]

"why do people have to get so passionate about a normal discussion? why can't some people just accept that some users have their own opinion and that it may differ from the others without entering in the stupid argument of "people are getting bored" or "you are jealous of him/her"? that's just childish. i think people admit they respect others opinions but the cruel truth is that they don't. if those people saying silly comments were so sure about their opinions, why do you need to publically humiliate/insult the others with such comments? live and let live is what wise men say...."

I completely agree, I find it more that a little insulting that their are certain posters who continue to use such childish arguments like "jealousy" as a way of stifling any discussion on Mary and then voice their own opinions as though it were fact. The fact is some people don't like her and shock horror, some of them haven't based it on "gossip or lies" (another way of trying to put down and discredit another's opinion).

 

[fandesacs2003]

With all due respect, I do feel you being quite dramatic here fandesacs2003. The same could be said for any royal who is a public figure and active (even not always active) member of a ruling family.

"MII"

ABOLUTELY, my comment was not towards Mary or the DRF, but a general consideration/reflexion about EVERY royal family.

 

[Warren]

Mary knew how to pick the prestigious ones! seemed to be looking for the upper echelon male too if you ask me, dated an executive and a swans football star aswell, must have got some pointers in picking the up market ones from the whos who in sydney realestate elite.This is of course my opinion only.

Opinion is fine, facts are better. We've gone from 400 pairs of shoes to 200; that she was a real estate agent when it is plainly on the record she wasn't; "dated a Swans football star" when it is also known that she met him the week before she met Frederik, and went out with him once, possibly twice during that week only. All this (except the number of shoes) is discussed at greater length in the Frederik and Mary visit Australia thread.

I should add that it is no disgrace to look for an "upmarket" partner. I don't think too many of us would boast that we are looking "down-market".

 

[angele]

angele

Yup, right.. yeah ahh... look, when you find the article, let us know ok??

$16,300 on phone calls! my mistake

Royal wedding creates $4m debt

There is a large photo of F&M at Amalianborg which accompanied the first Ben English story just before the Oz visit, a picture of the square and Amalianborg, F&M at their wedding and a picture of Fredensborg.

There is a small sub-heading:
'But the queen has discovered a raft of extra costs involved in making life in her household fit for a modern-day princess'

Here is the text (in bits for scanning!):

 

[fandesacs2003]

Opinion is fine, facts are better. We've gone from 400 pairs of shoes to 200; that she was a real estate agent when it is plainly on the record she wasn't; "dated a Swans football star" when it is also known that she met him the week before she met Frederik, and went out with him once, possibly twice during that week only. All this (except the number of shoes) is discussed at greater length in the Frederik and Mary visit Australia thread.

I should add that it is no disgrace to look for an "upmarket" partner. I don't think too many of us would boast that we are looking "down-market".

For ALL these girls who married CP, except Mathilde coming from a high aristocratic family, the same accusation/comment could be brought. Mary/Letitzia/MM/Maxima/Lala Salma/Ranja, ALL these girls married men being classes and classes upper than hers, but thats life. Immediately bad comments start, the same could be produced on the opposite way, prince Henrik(Henri de Montpezat) marrying Princess Margerete, but why it is bad to improve own position??

 

[angele]

this wasn't the article I referred to but nevertheless tells of the expenses I was discussing earlier. I will now look for the article quoting the average cost and number of Mary's shoes for those who believe I made it up to provoke!

 

[norwegianne]

If you have something personal to debate with a poster, please do so via the PM system. I'm sure that the rest of the posters don't really want to be subjected to other people sniping at each other.

Again, I have deleted several posts that were off-topic and not really related to anything on this forum.

If either party has a problem with it, PM either each other, me or another moderator.

Norwegianne
TRF Moderator