The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > British Royals

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #401  
Old 08-30-2015, 04:45 PM
eya eya is online now
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 5,439
[QUOTE=AdmirerUS;1814760]The Queen thinks it's very private. She rules. Get it? She actually RULES it. [/QUOTE

I think i get it She rules i get it
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #402  
Old 08-30-2015, 04:48 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: n/a, United States
Posts: 691
Part of the reason Sarah may not have received the Order is that she just wasn't around long enough. As Molly noted, Sophie received hers after she and Edward had already been married for five years. From marriage to separation, Andrew and Sarah were only together for six years (and obviously the separation didn't exactly come out of nowhere). I don't think it has anything to do with how close the Queen and Sarah were personally; Sophie is quite close to the Queen, and it was still 5 years before she received the Order.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #403  
Old 08-30-2015, 04:53 PM
eya eya is online now
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 5,439
I agree. This it sounds very reasonable.
Reply With Quote
  #404  
Old 08-30-2015, 04:55 PM
Gretijean's Avatar
Commoner
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Austin, United States
Posts: 15
The DM is claiming that the Duchess of Cambridge will be receiving the Royal Family Order this fall. Wouldn't be surprising being the Duchess has provided the heir and a spare. She will be the mother of a future king as well.

Princess Diana was wearing her Royal Family Order by 1983, by then William was born. I know that the birth of a child isn't reason enough for the Queen to give the Royal Family Order. Princess Diana had been doing quite a bit of charity work and public appearances as well.

As for Sarah, did she do a lot of charity work/work for the Firm while married to Andrew? Of course, Sarah is going to gush about the Queen. It is in her best interest to give the impression of a good relationship.
Reply With Quote
  #405  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:04 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 645
The Duchess of York was in a very different league to The Princess of Wales in so many ways. Even when Sarah was the favourite in the papers here, no one forgot who was in line to be the next queen. H.M has never spoken about her ex-daughter-in-law publicly so we can only speculate at what the relationship was and currently is.
Reply With Quote
  #406  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:08 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: n/a, United States
Posts: 691
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gretijean View Post
Princess Diana was wearing her Royal Family Order by 1983, by then William was born. I know that the birth of a child isn't reason enough for the Queen to give the Royal Family Order. Princess Diana had been doing quite a bit of charity work and public appearances as well.

As for Sarah, did she do a lot of charity work/work for the Firm while married to Andrew? Of course, Sarah is going to gush about the Queen. It is in her best interest to give the impression of a good relationship.
It sounds like Diana and Camilla both received their Order within a couple of years of marriage - I assume they might receive it more quickly due to being married to the heir to the throne? Just a guess.
Reply With Quote
  #407  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:12 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 645
Good Evening Isabella, I believe you may have a point and there is also the protocol issue of their attending more state events as a representative of H.M that ensures from their position as being the wife of the heir, in my humble opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #408  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:13 PM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 11,430
Sarah do share a very close relationship with The Queen. Sarah is not the only person that have acknowledged this publically, but so has Andrew. It's pretty known by veteran royal reporters and correspondents as well. Sarah has been invited to Balmoral to visit The Queen several times, along with Andrew and the girls. She was also invited to Prince's Andrew and Edward Order of the Garter Investiture ceremony.

It's Sarah's relationship with Prince Philip that one questions.

Why Sarah never received the Royal Family Order of Queen Elizabeth II? One will never know, unless Sarah would say something about it.
__________________
"THE REAL POWER OF A MAN IS IN THE SIZE OF THE SMILE OF THE WOMAN SITTING NEXT TO HIM."

GENTLEMAN'S ESSENTIALS
Reply With Quote
  #409  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:16 PM
Marty91charmed's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Near Verona and Venice, Italy
Posts: 5,681
I guess that the Queen might have had reservations about it... Well, it si easier to say something like that after what it has happened but still... maybe the Queen kind of "sensed" that there were going to be troubles ahead. Silly thought I know, but since this Order is at the discretion of the Queen, I guess I can speculate as much as I can
__________________
"Yet, walking free upon her own estate
Still,in her solitude, she is the Queen".
Reply With Quote
  #410  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:23 PM
Duc_et_Pair's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: City, Christmas Island
Posts: 5,923
There are also limited numbers: Queen Elizabeth, the Princess of Wales, the Princess Margaret, Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester were alive. When their precious diamond-encrusted Orders felt free, Sarah was already out of the family.
Reply With Quote
  #411  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:35 PM
Lee-Z's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Heerlen, Netherlands
Posts: 2,148
As i understand it, this one is just a personal gift from the monarch and not related to any accomplishment or longetivity as such
I don't think Princess Michael of Kent for instance has received it either (to name a random family member)
__________________
Wisdom begins in wonder - Socrates
Reply With Quote
  #412  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:52 PM
Osipi's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 6,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair View Post
There are also limited numbers: Queen Elizabeth, the Princess of Wales, the Princess Margaret, Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester were alive. When their precious diamond-encrusted Orders felt free, Sarah was already out of the family.
I think the only thing that would limit the RFO is the number of females in the family. Some of the older females such as HM, Margaret and Alice most likely also had the RFO from George VI. I'm not sure how many that are still alive hold the RFO from George V.

Sarah, I believe, didn't really care for the "men in grey" and wasn't enthusiastic at the time with doing engagements and such and that could have put a damper on why HM didn't feel it right to present her with a RFO at the time. Its something we will never know.
__________________
“When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.”
― John Lennon
Reply With Quote
  #413  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:53 PM
maria-olivia's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brussels, Belgium
Posts: 3,688
Princess Michael never receive the Order of the Royal Family;
Reply With Quote
  #414  
Old 08-30-2015, 05:56 PM
Osipi's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 6,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by maria-olivia View Post
Princess Michael never receive the Order of the Royal Family;
No, she hasn't. Only HM, The Queen knows the reason why too.
__________________
“When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.”
― John Lennon
Reply With Quote
  #415  
Old 08-30-2015, 06:01 PM
LauraS3514's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Jose, CA, United States
Posts: 348
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osipi View Post
I think the only thing that would limit the RFO is the number of females in the family. Some of the older females such as HM, Margaret and Alice most likely also had the RFO from George VI. I'm not sure how many that are still alive hold the RFO from George V.
.
The Queen is the only living holder of the George V RFO. She also wears that of her father George VI - as does Princess Alexandra, the only other living holder of George VI's RFO. Princess Margaret, Princess Alice, and Princess Marina all held those of George V and George VI.
Reply With Quote
  #416  
Old 08-30-2015, 06:20 PM
Osipi's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 6,640
Quote:
Originally Posted by LauraS3514 View Post
The Queen is the only living holder of the George V RFO. She also wears that of her father George VI - as does Princess Alexandra, the only other living holder of George VI's RFO. Princess Margaret, Princess Alice, and Princess Marina all held those of George V and George VI.
Thanks for the information. Was wondering about that while talking about HM's RFO.
__________________
“When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.”
― John Lennon
Reply With Quote
  #417  
Old 08-30-2015, 06:28 PM
Blog Real's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lisboa, Portugal
Posts: 1,532
It is something that only the Queen know. Probably the Queen did not find the right time to do so.
__________________
Acclamation Manuel II of Portugal: 6 May 1908
Reply With Quote
  #418  
Old 08-30-2015, 06:51 PM
Mermaid1962's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NearTheCoast, Canada
Posts: 6,004
We don't know exactly when Diana received the order, but we know when she first wore it: the State Visit from Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands in November of 1982.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly2101 View Post
Diana received the Royal Family Order, AdmirerUS.
Reply With Quote
  #419  
Old 08-30-2015, 07:44 PM
Nico's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 1,657
Because in the eyes of the Queen she didn't deserve it. It's as simple as that. That's why Princess Michael didn't receive it either (and why the RVO was never awarded to Diana).
Reply With Quote
  #420  
Old 08-30-2015, 07:46 PM
Pranter's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 3,021
What happens to their orders when they die...do they go into safekeeping or to a family member (as a memento)?


LaRae
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
orders and decorations, protocol, royal family order


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Popular Tags
ascot 2016 best gown best gown september 2016 best hat best outfit best outfit september brunei royal family catherine middleton style christening of prince oscar coup d'etat crown prince haakon crown princess mary crown princess mary fashion crown princess mette-marit current events duchess of cambridge e-mail fashion poll grand duke jean greece kate middleton king abdullah ii king carl gustaf king felipe king felipe vi king willem-alexander member introduction monarchy new zealand nobel gala norway november 2016 october 2016 opening of parliament picture of the week prince bernhard prince charles princess madeleine princess marie princess mary princess mary and womens rights princess mary daytime fashion princess mary fashion princess mary hats queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen letizia style queen mathilde queen mathildes outfits queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania queen rania style royal fashion september 2016 state visit state visit to denmark succession sweden the duchess of cambridge the duchess of cambridge casual wear the duchess of cambridge daytime fashion the duchess of cambridge fashion the duchess of cambridge hats


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:10 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2016
Jelsoft Enterprises