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Old 11-04-2009, 05:10 AM
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What do you think about changing the succession laws so that the youngest child, regardless of sex, would inherit the throne. Simply because people are living longer, so we could be seeing a lot of Elizabeth/Charles situations.
The eldest child/children are tutored from an early age, in the duties they will one day have to perform. With your suggestion, the eldest would have to learn as much as possible, until he is superseded by the next child birthed. Then you have the possible situation (and resentment), when the parents have another child when the first born is 20+, 30+ and the eldest loses his place, having spent his entire life to date, training for a role that is no longer available to him.

It couldn't work and the laws that would have to be changed...
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:06 AM
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haha, it was just a thought.

But personally, I think if every child were raised as if they were to be the heir, we would have a pretty level-headed stock of royals. But people living into their 90's and up, especially if your royalty and have access to the best foods and medicine, is going to become a normal thing. I think we are going to get a lot of older monarchs in the future.

Also wanted to say, I think the RF will be downsized so that only the children of the monarch and heir are HRH's. I do think majority of the commonwealth realms will become republics, its inevitable and I agree with it. Church and State will definitely separate and the Monarch will no longer be Supreme Governor or Defender of the Faith. Especially with the new developments between the Catholics and Anglicans. But besides from that, I don't think much will change at all. It is a firm and ancient institution, the traditions are one of the reasons its survives.
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I wonder if the abdication of a monarch when he/she reaches a certain age would become more common. With people living longer, after a while most heirs to the throne could be in their sixties before succeeding to the throne. I don't see Queen Elizabeth abdicating, but if Charles is in his seventies when he becomes king, I wonder if he would consider abdicating eventually to spare William from a similar fate?
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:30 PM
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I think it depends on whether coronations as it now stands, complete with the anointing of the monarch, continues. Many monarchies have enthronement ceremonies now, not coronations as such. The coronation ceremony seems to be a more binding act, especially since the anointing harkens back to the days of ancient kings. It depends as well what the monarch actually promises at his or her coronation. Personally, I'd prefer to see the monarch to see his/her role as a lifetime's work; not something that he/she could actually retire from. To me, the possibility of retirement lessens the commitment involved and also the public view of that person. Do we value the monarch until that person is old and feeble and not able to do so much work for us, or do we respect the person as monarch until he or she dies?

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I wonder if the abdication of a monarch when he/she reaches a certain age would become more common. With people living longer, after a while most heirs to the throne could be in their sixties before succeeding to the throne. I don't see Queen Elizabeth abdicating, but if Charles is in his seventies when he becomes king, I wonder if he would consider abdicating eventually to spare William from a similar fate?
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:37 PM
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I wonder if the abdication of a monarch when he/she reaches a certain age would become more common. With people living longer, after a while most heirs to the throne could be in their sixties before succeeding to the throne. I don't see Queen Elizabeth abdicating, but if Charles is in his seventies when he becomes king, I wonder if he would consider abdicating eventually to spare William from a similar fate?

I do not see Charles abdicating at all. William maybe as I don't see him with the same commitment to be royal as Charles but Charles will be king from his mother's death until his own death and if that means William will be in his 50s then that is all to the good in my opinion.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:04 AM
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at what do you think The Prince of Wales will succeed sorry if im veering off topic just curious
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:05 AM
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Yes, I think that you're right. If William becomes king at 50, that's only 23 years away--and those 23 years will seem to go much faster than the last 27. He'll have lots of experience with the Royal job before becoming King, in that case.

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I do not see Charles abdicating at all. William maybe as I don't see him with the same commitment to be royal as Charles but Charles will be king from his mother's death until his own death and if that means William will be in his 50s then that is all to the good in my opinion.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:38 AM
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at what do you think The Prince of Wales will succeed sorry if im veering off topic just curious

I assume you mean 'at what age' will Charles become King. I have no idea but I do think within the next 10 - 15 years and then I do see him reigning for about the same number of years. In other words I see no reason why he won't live to be at least 90 putting William in his late 50s when he becomes King with a grown family and plenty of experience, which can't be a bad thing.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:25 AM
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...I do think majority of the commonwealth realms will become republics, its inevitable and I agree with it. Church and State will definitely separate and the Monarch will no longer be Supreme Governor or Defender of the Faith. Especially with the new developments between the Catholics and Anglicans. But besides from that, I don't think much will change at all. It is a firm and ancient institution, the traditions are one of the reasons its survives.
You might be surprised. A few years ago I had to vote in an Australian referendum about whether Australia should become a republic.

Australian republic referendum, 1999 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:40 AM
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...I do think majority of the commonwealth realms will become republics, its inevitable...
It may be inevitable, but the issue has been placed firmly on the backburner in Australia. Neither the Prime Minister nor the Leader of the Oppostion (a committed republican) is interested in pursuing it; in fact the latter is of the view that nothing will happen while Elizabeth II reigns, while the former doesn't appear to be interested in even discussing it.
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As soon as they enter office, it's not such an 'issue' anymore...
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:02 AM
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When Charles succeeds, BP should make it clear that all Commonwealth Prime Ministers will be invited to the Coronation. What pollie could resist attending "the greatest show on earth", even more so when the most recent was in 1953?
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:31 AM
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When Charles succeeds, BP should make it clear that all Commonwealth Prime Ministers will be invited to the Coronation. What pollie could resist attending "the greatest show on earth", even more so when the most recent was in 1953?

They were all invited in 1953 so I don't think there is any need to make it an issue. In addition I would expect the PM and/or Head of State of all Commonwealth countries to be invited, certainly before the Heads of States of countries like the USA and Russia and they are sure to be invited.

Being a republic won't change the invitation to the Coronation.

I would love to see us a republic as soon as possible. This knowing that the question will be asked again and not knowing when, and the arguement that it won't be until the Queen dies, which could be another 20 years, is just ridiculous.
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Not an Australian one... Perhaps "Sir Les Patterson" could attend!

On a more serious note, do the Commonwealth Governor Generals attend the coronation aswell as the Prime Ministers? I'd imagone they would but I'm not certain.
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Vincent Massey, the Governor General of Canada, didn't attend the coronation according to Rideau Hall. I suppose it makes sense. Her Majesty didn't need to be represented at her own coronation.

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Not an Australian one... Perhaps "Sir Les Patterson" could attend!

On a more serious note, do the Commonwealth Governor Generals attend the coronation aswell as the Prime Ministers? I'd imagone they would but I'm not certain.

Normally I think that the Governors-General do not attend as they are the monarchs representatives but the Heads of Government attend however that doesn't mean that the Governors-General weren't invited - just that protocal suggested that they didn't attend.

I would expect that the Heads of Government e.g. the Prime Ministers and the High Commissioners of Commonwealth countries and the Heads of States and Ambassadors of countries close to Britain would be invited. However, it is perfectly possible that some Heads of State wouldn't attend but send their Ambassadors or deputies because of protocol again.
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I think the government will be very much for scaling down the monarchy and if Charles is himself in favor of scaling down the number of HRHs in the family, both monarch and government may be on the same side of the fence regarding this issue with Andrew regrettably on the other side.
Excuse my ignorance on the matter- When u are a HRH, does that mean you are paid from the Civil List? All Charles have to do is sign LoP that recognizes who can or cannot be payees of the Civil List. Let the HRH title continue as it been
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The only members of the royal family now paid from the civil list are the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh. The household and duties of the Prince of Wales are paid for by proceeds from the Duchy of Cornwall. Expenses of other members of the royal family are paid out of a parliamentary annuity, which the Queen reimburses using the money received from the Duchy of Lancaster.
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It is a mistake to think a republic - we say a politicians' republic - is inevitable for Australia. Many of us say our present system is a Crowned Republic.

The republicans now cannot or will not say what they want apart from ending the role of our oldest institution, the one providing leadership above politics, the Australian Crown.

They propose handing over all power to the political/media class. In 1999, the republican proposal had the support of two thirds of the politicians and most of the mainstream media. They had a very well funded campaign.

Australians for Constitutional Monarchy (www.norepublic.com.au) had 50,000 rank and file supporters across the nation.

We won nationally, in all states and 72% of electorates. The reason there has not been a second referendum is that the politicans know it would go down to an even bigger defeat than in 1999.

We have just celebrated the tenth anniversary: see www.norepublic.com.au

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It is a mistake to think a republic - we say a politicians' republic - is inevitable for Australia. Many of us say our present system is a Crowned Republic.

The republicans now cannot or will not say what they want apart from ending the role of our oldest institution, the one providing leadership above politics, the Australian Crown.

They propose handing over all power to the political/media class. In 1999, the republican proposal had the support of two thirds of the politicians and most of the mainstream media. They had a very well funded campaign.

Australians for Constitutional Monarchy (www.norepublic.com.au) had 50,000 rank and file supporters across the nation.

We won nationally, in all states and 72% of electorates. The reason there has not been a second referendum is that the politicans know it would go down to an even bigger defeat than in 1999.

We have just celebrated the tenth anniversary: see www.norepublic.com.au

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I voted No in 1999 and meant it then...but like many others I know who voted No then they have now changed and will vote yes next time.

In addition the vote for Yes was 45% and 55% voted No with Victoria at 50% each and the ACT voting Yes.

At my school, we teach the Republican Referendum as part of the Year 10 course in History (which is compulsory in NSW and soon to become a national subject in all states). It has been interesting to chart the changing votes based on the question asked in 1999 - then the electorate where my school is voted No with a majority of 52% but if that same question was put last year, based on the practise referendum we run, with parents being asked to 'postal vote' or 'absentee vote' the vote has steadily increased to being 89% for a Republic.

I know of other teachers who are finding the same thing - an increase in those who would vote Yes even to the question put in 1999.

It was the model that was defeated more than the straight issue itself. I know at least 50 people who voted No in 1999 due to the model but who were and still are ardent republicans and who would love another chance to vote.

Any monarchist who really believes that the issue rather than the model was defeated in 1999 is fooling themselves.

I think a straight plebisicte 'Do you want Australia to become a republic?' would see an overwhelming Yes vote across the country.

The Queen does nothing for Australia, lives in a foreign country, has children and grandchildren who actively campaign for a foreign country for trade, sporting events, influence etc.
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