State Visit from the President of China: October 20-23, 2015


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If Charles wanted to be there, he would be.

Again evidence please.

This is your opinion and not a verified fact.

Isn't this a bit of assumption?


Yes

Could Charles be under the weather? Or recovering from an illness?


Given his lack of engagements maybe this is the case - although the same time last year he also didn't do a lot.


He may also be preparing for his upcoming tour Down Under.

Or maybe the Queen wants to promote Andrew?


Given the scandal surrounding him I doubt it but maybe Andrew will be accompanied by Beatrice for her first state banquet - that would be a turn up wouldn't it?

We may see Andrew and Camilla at the head table,:lol:


Or Andrew and Beatrice or ...

Or possibly a mutual agreement by The Queen, Charles and William to have William take the 2nd place behind the Queen (with Philip and Kate as the consorts of course) given the fact that it was William who went to China earlier this year and personally handed over the invitation (normally that protocol is handled by the Ambassador but in this instance it was by William).
 
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What was the excuses for when he skipped the previous Chinese State Banquet?
 
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Nothing has been announced so until we see the photos, we can keep all the options opened.

Anne and Andrew at the head table.
Anne and William?
Princess Alexandra and Harry?
Harry and Beatrice?
Eugenie and William?
Camilla and Harry?

Or maybe William will attend and his 'date' will be Harry?:D

Or Andrew and Beatrice or ...


Excellent choice.
 
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Nothing has been announced so until we see the photos, we can keep all the options opened.

Anne and Andrew at the head table.
Anne and William?
Princess Alexandra and Harry?
Harry and Beatrice?
Eugenie and William?
Camilla and Harry?

Or maybe William will attend and his 'date' will be Harry?:D

Why the need to leave out the third lady in the land, Catherine?
 
What was the excuses for when he skipped the previous Chinese State Banquet?

I can give a very good reason why he didn't attend the State Banquet in 2005 - he and Camilla were in the USA while the State Visit was on which might be an excuse for his non-attendance at the State Banquet.

On the day of the State Banquet they visited a project to tackle homelessness in California (source the Court Circular for the 8th November 2005 - the day of the State Banquet).


According to the CC Chgarles did attend the State Banquet in 1999 but no other events. Anne did the meet and greet - alone - although Tim accompanied her to the Banquet and on other occasions when she does the meet and greet he had been listed as accompanying her. Was he making a 'snub'? Princess Michael didn't attend in 1999 either.

Sometimes it is worthwhile actually doing some research before believing everything the media decides to sprout at times like this.

You have no proof that Charles has chosen not to attend due to some agenda of his own. The fact that he didn't 'snub' the visit in 2005 as he was in the USA at the time is a fact that has been overlooked by many people in their desire to put down Charles.

The evidence however suggest that rather than snubbing the President he is doing the exact opposite - he will be the initial host, before handing over that responsibility to The Queen.

During the Singaporean State Visit it was William and Kate who had that responsibility and the they didn't attend the State Banquet. No one suggested that they 'snubbed' or 'refused' or 'decided' to not attend the State Banquet.

Going back to the Korean State Visit Andrew meet them and escorted them to The Queen, William represented the Queen at a wreath laying and Edward was the most senior royal - other than the Queen and Philip to attend the Banquet - surely that means that William, Andrew and Sophie all snubbed the President of Korea as none of them attended the banquet. Charles and Camilla were on their way to India.

It almost seems as if the royal who greets them and hands them over to The Queen doesn't attend the State Banquet - not always but certainly on occasions. Rather than reading so much into it it is worthwhile to look back at what has happened in the past and see how things do unfold on these occasions. Earlier in 2013 Andrew greeted the UAE Emir and then attended the State Luncheon (they didn't have a Banquet and the only other royal who attended was Edward).

Charles will also be attending the official luncheon.

Charles will have a private meeting at which he will be able to discuss issues and concerns (which can't be done at the State Banquet which as far as important discussions go is really fluff while the real work is done behind closed doors in the private meetings - one of which Charles will be having).

Charles is also having the President into his own home for afternoon tea - again hardly the thing someone would do if he was 'snubbing' him or didn't want to meet with him.
 
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I think Charles is right in his principles, but I also admire Williams diplomacy. I mean... I wonder if they are playing a little "good cop, bad cop" now. Charles showing the world that this is not ok, while William is calming them and making them open up :p

I think it's important to deal with reality.
Principles are fine, BUT.
It's important to deal with whoever holds power at the moment, and whining about human rights doesn't help when you're trying to formulate advantageous trade agreements.

William has had a very successful visit and seems to be en rapport with the Chinese; he should expand on that and work on cooperative policies that will benefit the UK.
 
What can you expect from the Daily Fail? We've been discussing Charles' absence-to-be from the state banquet for a while now and its no big story to begin with. Of course the DM makes it out to be. Also they state that its a week long visit. Its 4 days. Not responsible journalism by any means.
 
What can you expect from the Daily Fail? We've been discussing Charles' absence-to-be from the state banquet for a while now and its no big story to begin with. Of course the DM makes it out to be. Also they state that its a week long visit. Its 4 days. Not responsible journalism by any means.

Yes, lazy journalism! Moving on from speculating the ifs and whys concerning Charles and the State banquet, I found this interesting article concerning whether President Xi must wear a bow tie to the Banquet:

Must China's leader wear a bow tie to the Queen's banquet? - BBC News
 
What can you expect from the Daily Fail? We've been discussing Charles' absence-to-be from the state banquet for a while now and its no big story to begin with. Of course the DM makes it out to be. Also they state that its a week long visit. Its 4 days. Not responsible journalism by any means.


With the amount of posts I think it must be a big story, well on here anyway!


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I think Charles is right in his principles, but I also admire Williams diplomacy. I mean... I wonder if they are playing a little "good cop, bad cop" now. Charles showing the world that this is not ok, while William is calming them and making them open up :p

I think you're absolutely right
 
With the amount of posts I think it must be a big story, well on here anyway!

With the discussions we've had here, we've been able to see Charles being absent from the state dinner from quite a few different angles and that his absence is in no way a snub to the Chinese as he's got quite a few events with the President and his wife scheduled. Its been an intelligent discussion.

The DM focuses one one aspect with the headline that he'll not be attending the state banquet as if its a low down dirty trick or something scandalous and disparaging to the Chinese and they have the "tell all" story. But that's what the Daily Mail does best. They couldn't even get the length of the state visit right.
 
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Later today The Duke of Cambridge will meet with President Xi at Buckingham Palace #ChinaStateVisit
 
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Well, it seems that Charles is not the only one standing against the president of China after all. LOL
 
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The Court Circular lists the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge as attending tonight's state banquet

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Along with the Duke of York, Earl of Wessex, Princess Royal, the Gloucesters the Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandra & Princess Michael of Kent
 
The Queen during today's state visit. She looks great as usual.

Queen Elizabeth II Photos - State Visit Of The President Of The People's Republic Of China - Day 2 - Zimbio

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And here she is with the so-called president of China. It's her duty to receive him, but he doesn't deserve to meet her/stand next to her.

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PA Royal Reporters @PARoyal
The Court Circular lists the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge as attending tonight's state banquet

PA Royal Reporters ‏@PARoyal
Along with the Duke of York, Earl of Wessex, Princess Royal, the Gloucesters the Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandra & Princess Michael of Kent

Great news that they are attending the state banquet. As I said in an previous post ''Its was very likely'', but I wasn't completely sure.
 
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Great news that they are attending the state banquet. As I said in an previous post ''Its was very likely'', but I wasn't completely sure.
Exactly. This is basically how we all have felt so I got really happy when I saw it :)
 
PA Royal Reporters @PARoyal
The Court Circular lists the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge as attending tonight's state banquet

PA Royal Reporters ‏@PARoyal
Along with the Duke of York, Earl of Wessex, Princess Royal, the Gloucesters the Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandra & Princess Michael of Kent

I'm sure this is 100% accurate but these tweets have disappeared from Twitter.

The court circular is published in arrears - always! Naughty PA:whistling:
 
PA jumped the gun but it does have access to the CC in advance of publication. The tweets are accurate.
 
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... [snipped]
And here she is with the so-called president of China. It's her duty to receive him, but he doesn't deserve to meet her/stand next to her. ... [snipped]
The President of China meets people, whose subjects committed atrocities in China with a tacit approval from royals and shamelessly looted the Yuan Ming Yuan (see Lord Elgin). High moral ground is not applicable to the British royals.
 
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PA Royal Reporters @PARoyal
The Court Circular lists the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge as attending tonight's state banquet

PA Royal Reporters ‏@PARoyal
Along with the Duke of York, Earl of Wessex, Princess Royal, the Gloucesters the Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandra & Princess Michael of Kent

Great ! The "non-believers" on this forum now have official confirmation that they were wrong about Kate not attending the state banquet.
 
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