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From the other thread, @JR76 wrote: "Both the King & Carl Philip spent their high school years at boarding school but neither the King's sisters nor his daughters did."

Thank you for the context. :flowers: So it's possible they will use boarding schools. Just a thought. Thank you.
 
Yes, but then the kids would be older, like 12 or 13? Before that there would be regular schooling at the place they chose to live, either London or Stockholm.
 
Madeleine in London yesterday
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Madeleine and Chris in London today, Madeleine went also alone to shop children's clothes in Trotters.
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I am beginning to wonder if the time split between Madeleine and Chris won't change to her staying in Sweden and joining Chris for "command performances" and weekends or maybe he spending weekends with the family in Sweden and Madeleine joining him when necessary.

They have obviously made friends in Stockholm as opposed to business acquaintances in London. Come to think of it we mostly see photos of her shopping, with or without the kids, or her on her own and I think Madeleine is going to need they support of family and friends for this third pregnancy.
 
Margareta Thorgren told to the swedish press some days ago, that after her long staying in Stockholm Madeleine returned to London last week.
 
On Sunday, after king Carl Gustaf and queen Silvia had left from London, Madeleine, Chris and the children went to a pizzeria. While Madeleine and the children were inside ordering pizzas, Chris came out to smoke. The no-smoking sign seen at the photos tells that you can't smoke inside the pizzeria.
Chris O'Neills ciggpaus framför förbudsskylten _ Kungligt _ Expressen
 
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Expressen writes about Chris' company

Chris O'Neill's company is making new million loss
Chris O'Neill's British company continues to make loss - and has liabilities of several million SEK.
O'Neill, however, counts on that his brother-in-law John d'Abo gives money to keep the company floating, stated in the annual report.
Chris O'Neill has ownership interests in several companies, one of which is Wilton Payments Ltd. The company is registered with both Chris O'Neill and John d'Abo, his brother-in-law, as shareholders - but it is Chris O'Neill who manages the company and represents the company's American business.
Expressen has previously reported how the business has made loss for several years. The new annual report for the fiscal year 2016/2017 has now been submitted to the UK company register showing that the economic downturns continue.
The company's assets decreased during the year to SEK 863,000, from 1.3 million the year before. At the same time, liabilities amount increases to about SEK 2.8 million, which is a marginal increase since last year. Despite the negative figures, the company's two directors confirm that Wilton Payment's operations are not in danger.
"Despite a negative balance sheet, directors are convinced that the company is functioning because of J H E d'Abo's commitment to continue financing the company", the company's auditors report in the annual report.
The documents show that at the end of the year, Wilton Payments owed John d'Abo, married to Chris' sister Tatjana, about SEK 550,000. But there is also a debt to John d'Abo's company of the equivalent of SEK 2.6 million, which means that the debt amounts to just over SEK three million.
"At the end of the year, the company owed 233 370 £ to d'Abo Development and Property Management Limited, a company controlled by J H E d'Abo", says the annual report.
Chris O'Neills bolag gör ny miljonförlust _ Kungligt _ Expressen
 
Svensk Damtidning has an article about Chris, on the cover
Madeleine's reluctant husband
The whole situation is tough
"He has done totally wrong"
That is why Chris doesn't want to be seen in Sweden
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Chris O'Neill - the reluctant spouse
Svensk Damtidning writes that when Madeleine and Chris got married, the director of the press department Bertil Ternert said that Chris will attend at some royal events and at some maybe not, they will decide that themselves.
Svensk Damtidning writes that some years later it can be seen that Chris often declines to attend at official events. When Chris didn't attend at the Nobel festitivities in 2012, historian Herman Lindqvist commented that Chris didn't seem to understand his role, he was doing totally wrong. Svensk Damtidning repeats the events Chris hasn't attend and writes that sometimes he informs that he will not attend, but then he attends though.
Svensk Damtidning writes that the reason that Chris doesn't thrive at the limelights. When his brother-in-law prince Daniel poses at selfies with fans and pats cordially people on their shoulders, Chris becomes stiff when there is a lot of people. A person with knowledge about the royal family says that it's difficult for Chris with attention. He likes to be at the centre in his own circle of friends and is spontaneous and open, but at the same time he feels very uncomfortable at official events.
But since Chris didn't take the royal title, he can choose how he wants to have it. And he also does it.
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Expressen's royal commentator Karin Lennmor wrote yesterday at her chronicle
"Learn from your big sister Victoria, Madeleine"
about Madeleine's difficult relationship with Sweden and the Swedes.
Lennmor writes that we still don't need where Madeleine will give birth. The decision is certainly already taken. But for some reason, Madeleine and Chris O'Neill have it hard to tell where it will be. The hospital is never published in advance, but shouldn't Madeleine tell in which country a new member of the royal family will be born?
Lennmor thinks Madeleine chooses to give birth in London. Whatever Madeleine chooses, she is getting criticism from us here at home. If she chooses London, it will be complained that she doesn't prioritize Sweden and is too good to come home. If she gives birth in Stockholm, there are certainly whiners who think she utilizes Swedish health care.
Lennmor writes that Madeleine received criticism because she didn't attend the Nobel Banquet and many raised their eyebrows when she didn't represent the royal house during the Icelandic state visit. Especially because big sister Victoria was ill.
Sadly Madeleine has come on a collision course with Sweden and Swedes. A colleague on another newspaper recently called her for "a Swedish Marie Antoinette", a scandal beauty princess who can never do anything right. To some extent, Lennmor agrees with this.
Madeleine had only 18 work days noted in the court official calendar last year.
- I really want to be with my children when they are small, she told to Expressen, and Lennmor understand that explanation.
It is cruel to call Madeleine "the laziest in the royal house". It is not just children and Netflix-watching which take her time in London, she prepares in the tasks she is doing. She also works part time for Childhood and writes a children's book.
But there must be something that has happened to Madeleine here in Sweden, something that gnaws and rubs her because she doesn't want to live here, work for the apanage, or barely seem to like to belong to the royal house? Where is the sense of duty?
Lennmor thinks that Madeleine should learn from Victoria, who successfully combines the role of a mom for toddlers with the quite numerous representation duties the Crown Princess role entails.
Lennmor writes: Learn from your big sister, Madeleine! Think about moving home to Stockholm permanently. There is no one who believes in this that you have to live in London for Chris's job. He can work just anywhere. I allow you both apanage and that you have free disposal rights at the apartment in the Royal Mews (that is, you do not have to pay a rent).
But be a bit more princess for us! Like the role! And take responsibility for it!
Come on Madeleine, we like you!
KARIN LENNMOR_ Lär av storasyster Victoria, Madeleine _ Karin Lennmor _ Expressen
 
LadyFinn said:
Expressen's royal commentator Karin Lennmor wrote yesterday at her chronicle
"Learn from your big sister Victoria, Madeleine"
about Madeleine's difficult relationship with Sweden and the Swedes.
Lennmor writes that we still don't need where Madeleine will give birth. The decision is certainly already taken. But for some reason, Madeleine and Chris O'Neill have it hard to tell where it will be. The hospital is never published in advance, but shouldn't Madeleine tell in which country a new member of the royal family will be born?
Lennmor thinks Madeleine chooses to give birth in London. Whatever Madeleine chooses, she is getting criticism from us here at home. If she chooses London, it will be complained that she doesn't prioritize Sweden and is too good to come home. If she gives birth in Stockholm, there are certainly whiners who think she utilizes Swedish health care.
Lennmor writes that Madeleine received criticism because she didn't attend the Nobel Banquet and many raised their eyebrows when she didn't represent the royal house during the Icelandic state visit. Especially because big sister Victoria was ill.
Sadly Madeleine has come on a collision course with Sweden and Swedes. A colleague on another newspaper recently called her for "a Swedish Marie Antoinette", a scandal beauty princess who can never do anything right. To some extent, Lennmor agrees with this.
Madeleine had only 18 work days noted in the court official calendar last year.
- I really want to be with my children when they are small, she told to Expressen, and Lennmor understand that explanation.
It is cruel to call Madeleine "the laziest in the royal house". It is not just children and Netflix-watching which take her time in London, she prepares in the tasks she is doing. She also works part time for Childhood and writes a children's book.
But there must be something that has happened to Madeleine here in Sweden, something that gnaws and rubs her because she doesn't want to live here, work for the apanage, or barely seem to like to belong to the royal house? Where is the sense of duty?
Lennmor thinks that Madeleine should learn from Victoria, who successfully combines the role of a mom for toddlers with the quite numerous representation duties the Crown Princess role entails.
Lennmor writes: Learn from your big sister, Madeleine! Think about moving home to Stockholm permanently. There is no one who believes in this that you have to live in London for Chris's job. He can work just anywhere. I allow you both apanage and that you have free disposal rights at the apartment in the Royal Mews (that is, you do not have to pay a rent).
But be a bit more princess for us! Like the role! And take responsibility for it!
Come on Madeleine, we like you!
KARIN LENNMOR_ Lär av storasyster Victoria, Madeleine _ Karin Lennmor _ Expressen
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I honestly don't know what people expect from Madeleine. She doesn't live in Sweden because her husband doesn't want to live in Sweden. If it were up to her, she would move back to Stockholm, so I'd blame it on Chris, not on her. On the other hand, she doesn't normally get money from the King's apanage and, therefore, is not a burden on Swedish taxpayers. Furthermore, with the King and Queen, Victoria and Daniel, and CP and Sofia around, she is not really needed as a "working royal". So she wasn't at the Icelandic state dinner, but Sofia, CP, and Daniel were there plus the King and the Queen obviously. Did Madeleine really have to attend to "cover" for her sick big sister ? Ditto for the Nobel banquet where there were already plenty of royals in attendance, including the Crown Princess.

Finally, let's not forget that Madeleine is pregnant and it is natural that she would consider limiting her public agenda. I would advise her to have her third child in London in a private hospital paid for by Chris so that no one can argue she is "taking advantage of the Swedish public health system". I think that is still better than being accused of "not caring about Sweden", although the whole situation is a a bit of a no-win scenario for her really.

In the end, unless Madeleine divorces Chris or convinces him to change his opinion about living in Sweden, the best course of action is to have things stay as they are and let her children naturally lose their place in the line of succession (and probably their royal titles along with it) for "not being raised in Sweden" as mandated by the Act of Succession. Then the controversy surrounding her family would naturally end.
 
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LadyFinn said:
Expressen's royal commentator Karin Lennmor wrote yesterday at her chronicle
"Learn from your big sister Victoria, Madeleine"
about Madeleine's difficult relationship with Sweden and the Swedes.
Lennmor writes that we still don't need where Madeleine will give birth. The decision is certainly already taken. But for some reason, Madeleine and Chris O'Neill have it hard to tell where it will be. The hospital is never published in advance, but shouldn't Madeleine tell in which country a new member of the royal family will be born?
Lennmor thinks Madeleine chooses to give birth in London. Whatever Madeleine chooses, she is getting criticism from us here at home. If she chooses London, it will be complained that she doesn't prioritize Sweden and is too good to come home. If she gives birth in Stockholm, there are certainly whiners who think she utilizes Swedish health care.
Lennmor writes that Madeleine received criticism because she didn't attend the Nobel Banquet and many raised their eyebrows when she didn't represent the royal house during the Icelandic state visit. Especially because big sister Victoria was ill.
Sadly Madeleine has come on a collision course with Sweden and Swedes. A colleague on another newspaper recently called her for "a Swedish Marie Antoinette", a scandal beauty princess who can never do anything right. To some extent, Lennmor agrees with this.
Madeleine had only 18 work days noted in the court official calendar last year.
- I really want to be with my children when they are small, she told to Expressen, and Lennmor understand that explanation.
It is cruel to call Madeleine "the laziest in the royal house". It is not just children and Netflix-watching which take her time in London, she prepares in the tasks she is doing. She also works part time for Childhood and writes a children's book.
But there must be something that has happened to Madeleine here in Sweden, something that gnaws and rubs her because she doesn't want to live here, work for the apanage, or barely seem to like to belong to the royal house? Where is the sense of duty?
Lennmor thinks that Madeleine should learn from Victoria, who successfully combines the role of a mom for toddlers with the quite numerous representation duties the Crown Princess role entails.
Lennmor writes: Learn from your big sister, Madeleine! Think about moving home to Stockholm permanently. There is no one who believes in this that you have to live in London for Chris's job. He can work just anywhere. I allow you both apanage and that you have free disposal rights at the apartment in the Royal Mews (that is, you do not have to pay a rent).
But be a bit more princess for us! Like the role! And take responsibility for it!
Come on Madeleine, we like you!
KARIN LENNMOR_ Lär av storasyster Victoria, Madeleine _ Karin Lennmor _ Expressen
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This honestly sounds like a joke.
 
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This honestly sounds like a joke.
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You mean, like the columnist was being sarcastic ? Her last paragraph sure sounds like the irony mode was on, but I don't think that was her intention.
 
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I think Karin Lennmor wrote her chronicle because once again there has been so many negative articles about Madeleine and Chris at the swedish press (mostly gossip press) during the last months. She wants to see Madeleine in Sweden, working for Sweden, and working with the Swedes, meeting them like the other members of the royal family. Lennmor wants to make a note to the royal family. Lennmor has written about the royal family over 30 years and was the editor-in-chief of Svensk Damtidning for 24 years. In her articles and chronicles, she isn't usually mean, but many reporters at the worst gossip magazines in Sweden are.
 
I have no problem with Madeleine living in London for the foreseeable future. The one thing I would wish from her (and Chris) is a bit of consistency. Are they in or out? Baby being born in Sweden or London? Nobel, National day - will they be there? Just give us some guidelines as to what we should expect, and I would be happy with whatever they tell us.
 
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Mbruno said:
I honestly don't know what people expect from Madeleine. She doesn't live in Sweden because her husband doesn't want to live in Sweden. If it were up to her, she would move back to Stockholm, so I'd blame it on Chris, not on her.
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To be fair to Chris, I wouldn’t want to live in Sweden either as the Swedish media have decided he is the one to target with their negative stories. He always gets a bad press regardless of what he does. The media regardless of which country and which royal family always like to have one ‘villain’ in a family. Chris is an easy target as he chose to continue with his own life instead of becoming the Swedish media’s idea of a prince.

What is interesting for me is that I believe in future years when all the current kids grow up and start getting married, then the Swedish Royal family will be seen to be quite large and cumbersome. Then Chris’s decision to continue with his own life will be seen as a positive and not a negative as it is currently.
 
:previous: I was amazed at the reference to Madeleine not attending a State Dinner when Victoria was ill. Seems to me we have seen a lot less of Madeleine during this pregnancy and I had wondered if this time she was not quite as blooming. Regardless, did they not wonder if Madeleine too was unwell?

As to the comments about Sweden's attitude to Chris I have to say it is usually mean and not a little spiteful. Is it any wonder that he chooses not to live there? However, he "gives" of his time every year so that he can join Madeleine in attending the Nobels. That is not to be sneezed at as, for most businesses, December is full-on and he fits that in and, let's be honest here, the more members of the royal family that attend makes it easier for recipients to be escorted by a member of the family and, in this area at least, Chris is used to conversing with the great and good and is an asset.
 
MARG said:
:previous: I was amazed at the reference to Madeleine not attending a State Dinner when Victoria was ill. Seems to me we have seen a lot less of Madeleine during this pregnancy and I had wondered if this time she was not quite as blooming. Regardless, did they not wonder if Madeleine too was unwell?

As to the comments about Sweden's attitude to Chris I have to say it is usually mean and not a little spiteful. Is it any wonder that he chooses not to live there? However, he "gives" of his time every year so that he can join Madeleine in attending the Nobels. That is not to be sneezed at as, for most businesses, December is full-on and he fits that in and, let's be honest here, the more members of the royal family that attend makes it easier for recipients to be escorted by a member of the family and, in this area at least, Chris is used to conversing with the great and good and is an asset.
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Well, she is pregnant with her third and two little ones running around. I don't doubt it's harder on her now than it was when she only had Leonore, or still had to give birth to Leonore.
 
And she lives in London, not in Stockholm! She would need to fly over for a state banquet that she didn't plan to attend just because her sister fell ill, while the family is represented by 5 other members?! Moreover, it is quite common that she doesn't attend state banquets since she left Sweden, so, I don't understand the fuss.
 
Indeed, I can't see why she has to change all her plans and fly to Sweden in the third semester of her pregnancy because her sister has a cold.

Wasn't Karin Lennmor the lady who forbade critical comments about Princess Sofia on her website and equated those comments to bullying? I am surprised why the concerted press campaign against princess Madeleine and her husband does not qualify for a similar high-minded treatment from Mrs. Lennmor. Who is the bully now?
 
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Marengo said:
Wasn't Karin Lennmor the lady who forbade critical comments about Princess Sofia on her website and equated those comments to bullying? I am surprised why the concerted press campaign against princess Madeleine and her husband does not qualify for a similar high-minded treatment from Mrs. Lennmor. Who is the bully now?
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Yes, that's her. I must say that this article from her really surprised me. It's not in keeping with what she usually writes.

As a swede, I can say that I never expected her to fly in from London in a hurry just because Victoria had to cancel the dinner. No way. Especially not since she's very pregnant at the moment. Like I said before, I think that most of us don't mind if Madeleine lives a more private life in London. We just would like to know a bit more in general about what we can expect from her and the family.
 
kathl29 said:
To be fair to Chris, I wouldn’t want to live in Sweden either as the Swedish media have decided he is the one to target with their negative stories. He always gets a bad press regardless of what he does. The media regardless of which country and which royal family always like to have one ‘villain’ in a family. Chris is an easy target as he chose to continue with his own life instead of becoming the Swedish media’s idea of a prince.
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This is so sad and unfair. I sometimes think there is a hope that Madeleine and Chris will break-up by certain commentators. It's unfortunate because it doesn't seem like he has done anything wrong besides not want to play into the fairy tale. I hope at least he and his family are happy in London.
 
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