Lady Nimue
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The Duke and Duchess of Albany is my current favorite. One can live with Sussex but Albany is very classy sounding.
The Duke and Duchess of Albany is my current favorite. One can live with Sussex but Albany is very classy sounding.
I would pick it too if it were available, but, unfortunately, as we have beeen discussing for the past two pages, it is not.
Personally, I think Parliament should impose a "statute of limitations" on claims under the Titles Deprivation Act. Never mind whether the Saxe-Coburg descendants are legitimate or not under British law; if a claim in a specific context like that has not been made in 100 years or so, the right to petition should expire.
I would hope that the British Parliament would have more important matters to attend to than passing legislature that would allow for a handful of titles to be used again, particularly given as hereditary titles are only granted to male members of the BRF.
Still hoping for Clarence!!!
LaRae
I also hope theys will use Calrece. It is muc older and historic than Sussex. Of course there are Title Holders who don't have the best rreputation but that was long ago and is is also the case with Gloucester and George V. choose it anyway for one of his sons. I found it always strange that he did not choose the Dukedom of his late older brother who was also the fiancee of Queen Mary for one of his sons.
I’m really hoping it’s not Sussex, just because everyone is taking it for granted that it will be Sussex. I’m contrary that way. ?
This is a re-post of my prediction back in December and now that we are less than 3 weeks away from the wedding, I thought this was a good time to reintroduce my theory.
First, let me say it is strongly believed that Prince Harry and Meghan Markel will be granted the titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex just before their marriage in May. However, I would like to make the case that the Duke of Clarence should be strongly considered and is my personal preference.
Royal Dukedoms have generally followed one of two patterns:
1) From the "original list of 5" dukedoms established by King Edward III; Cornwall, Clarence, Lancaster, York & Gloucester.
2) Dukedoms or Earldoms from the geographic names of the Heptarchy (the 7 Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms of England prior to the unification under King Egbert); Northumbria, Kent, Wessex, Sussex, Essex, East Anglia & Mercia. Two of these larger kingdoms have been broken down into smaller geographic subdivisions. For example, East Anglia now encompasses the titles of Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridge. Mercia now encompasses Gloucester among others.
When evaluating the "original list of 5" from above, all are in use by a member of the current House of Windsor, except Clarence which is vacant. When evaluating the list from the Heptarchy, nearly all are in use. Kent and Wessex by the House of Windsor, Northumria by the House of Percy, Essex by the House of Capell, East Anglia and its geographic subdivisions are held by the Houses of Howard or Windsor. Mercia, the largest of the former kingdoms, it's geographic subdivisions are already tied up in dukedom or earldom titles, and finally Sussex which is vacant.
At this point, the choice between Clarence and Sussex is a toss-up. Some would (and do) argue that Clarence should not be chosen due to some of the negative character associations connected to this title. However, we have recently learned that Prince Harry and Meghan Markel share common royal ancestry, both descending from Lionel of Antwerp, the 1st Duke of Clarence, the second son of King Edward III (according to American Ancestors by the New England Historic Genealogical Society) View this link https://www.americanancestors.org/up...rkle-chart.pdf This shared common ancestry back to the original Duke of Clarence would seem to make this a very logical choice? In addition, Prince William Henry of Wales was Duke of Clarence before he became King William IV so there are some very positive traits associated with the title as well. For those that still argue against the title of Clarence, I would suggest, what better couple could change the perception of the Clarence title in a more positive light than Prince Harry and Meghan?
As mentioned above, I do believe Sussex is going to be the more likely choice, however, there is an opportunity for the House of Windsor to grant and hold the final title from the “original list of 5” all within the current royal family.
We now wait and see.
I like Clarence too and agree it shouldn't be eliminated due do any previous associations. As cmsteepy points out it's one of the original ducal titles and has been associated with the Royal Family since the 14th century. Sussex didn't become a royal title until 1801.
One possible reason why Clarence might not be an option: Queen Victoria's son Leopold was created Duke of Albany, Earl of Clarence, and Baron Arklow in 1881. That's why the Queen gave her grandson Albert Victor a double title - Duke of Clarence and Avondale - when he was made a duke in 1890. It was considered necessary to avoid having both a Duke of Clarence and an Earl of Clarence.
As discussed earlier, Leopold's son Charles Edward, the 2nd Duke of Albany (and Earl of Clarence) lost his British titles due to the Titles Deprivation Act but his descendants may have the right to request a reinstatement. I don't think this would ever happen, but it's the reason Albany will probably be off-limits for Harry, and possibly Clarence too.
Plus they are Germans and Germany does not recognize titles, not even foreign ones as a means to make a difference to "normal" citizens. So why should anyone apply to get a title they have no use of, because AFAIK Britain does not recognize noble titles when the holder is not British. Or do they?I would pick it too if it were available, but, unfortunately, as we have beeen discussing for the past two pages, it is not.
Personally, I think Parliament should impose a "statute of limitations" on claims under the Titles Deprivation Act. Never mind whether the Saxe-Coburg descendants are legitimate or not under British law; if a claim in a specific context like that has not been made in 100 years or so, the right to petition should expire.
Plus they are Germans and Germany does not recognize titles, not even foreign ones as a means to make a difference to "normal" citizens. So why should anyone apply to get a title they have no use of, because AFAIK Britain does not recognize noble titles when the holder is not British. Or do they?
Where does the media come up with this anyway? Do they think Sussex the only title available?
LaRae
Maybe they're doing the same speculation we are and thinking it's the only good one left?
I'm still hoping really hard for Clarence.
Will Harry get any other titles other than Duke? Like Count, etc.?
Like Count, etc.?
Maybe they're doing the same speculation we are and thinking it's the only good one left?
I'm still hoping really hard for Clarence.
Will Harry get any other titles other than Duke? Like Count, etc.?
Me too...been a fan for Clarence since day one...and even more when I read about the history posted above (previous page)!
Yes he could get other titles as well.
LaRae