fandesacs2003
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Does Beatrice speak french? I presume yes, all Italian aristocrats do.
Does Beatrice speak french? I presume yes, all Italian aristocrats do.
So Caroline wants them to get a civil marriage in Monaco, since prenuptials have no validity for the Italian Law, and in Italy a Catholic marriage is a form of marriage provided by the concordat, that is an agreement between the Italian State and the Vatican, which make religious marriages also recognised by the Italian Law. I'm sure they will opt for a so called marriage of conscience, meaning that it won't be recorded in the Italian registy office. Now, many a time Beatrice has publicly stated she's an atheist, so she shouldn't be allowed to get nearer any Sacraments, including marriage. But htis kind of things can be easily put right, especially when one has the right connections, and the money...
So Caroline wants them to get a civil marriage in Monaco, since prenuptials have no validity for the Italian Law, and in Italy a Catholic marriage is a form of marriage provided by the concordat, that is an agreement between the Italian State and the Vatican, which make religious marriages also recognised by the Italian Law. I'm sure they will opt for a so called marriage of conscience, meaning that it won't be recorded in the Italian registy office. Now, many a time Beatrice has publicly stated she's an atheist, so she shouldn't be allowed to get nearer any Sacraments, including marriage. But htis kind of things can be easily put right, especially when one has the right connections, and the money...
If Pierre wants a catholic wedding and the wedding sacrament, it can be done with a special kind of dispense to allow him to marry a self-proclamed atheist. It has been already done for many people without any connections nor wealth. It would however be interesting if Beatrice would receive Holy Communion at her wedding. But being an atheist does not formally forbid her to get a catholic wedding with mass and sacrament. It has already be done, it will be be donne in the future for any couple requesting it.
If neither of them is really interested in the sacramental meaning of a catholic wedding, although I do fully support the point that the Church is not and should not be a parties slot machine, well, let the Holy Spirit act and give his graces to the happy couple. He is the one who masters all of this, not us, and we humans are not the one calling our brothers to account, except if some posters here are priests.
I know of many, many atheists who married in churches to please their families. They couldn't care less about the ceremony, they're atheists before, during and after the service. There are times when it's best to give in and keep your beliefs to yourself so all the traditional, conservative old people in the family are happy. Give and take. Some people might see it as hypocrisy, for atheists like us and maybe Beatrice, it's simple compromise.
I see perfectly well that Beatrice couldn't care less about the religious ceremony , but I agree with Sancia and Moonmaiden, although not being myself a practicing Catholic. Soccer player Antonio Cassano has always stated he's an atheist in public, and got married in the church to please his wife, but he didn't take the Communion.
However Beatrice is marrying into a Catholic reigning family and traditions are to be respected, at least, should their marriage go to the dogs, this will give Pierre an excuse to get an anulment. Gad forbid!
capri: the marriage of Carlo Ludovico took place on an island, but it was in Pantelleria (Sicily). If I remember it correctly John Elkann is jewish like his father and brother, and surely he needed a dispense to get married in the church, like his father did in order to wed Margherita Agnelli.
Last but not least, talking about hypocrisy, guess who said she was a communist and live in unrestrained luxury; Montecarlo is a horrible place and sucks; noble titles are a bunch of stupid things; was an atheist and will be getting married in the church; she wanted to marry a worker?
Last but not least point. Very few brides even very atheist resist to a magnificent wedding gown. And in the City Hall impossible to shine with a real wedding fairy tale gown.
No, it wans't. However, Beatrice replied a no comment on a interview, which sounded like a yes!Is the future wedding officially confirmed? Or I have missed something?
I've often wondered about that too. What priest in his right mind would give the Sacrament to an unrepentant atheist? That would be blasphemy. And only if Beatrice is a major hypocrite would she even approach the Eucharist as a non-believer.
Catholic priests are permitted to officiate at weddings of Catholics to non-Christians, but the marriage is only considered a sacrament if both spouses have been baptized.
Not really. Indeed, a dispensation can be given to the non-baptized spouse so that the wedding is sacramental.