King Haakon VII and Queen Maud

[QueenMaud]

I would start here is a increasing discussion about the king's life Haakon VII and Queen Maud , feel free to share with me everything you know about them.

 

[Iain]

Queen Maud's funeral

I was watching a Pathe video about the funeral of Queen Maud and it showed her coffin in a church which the commentator said was the "Lutheran Cathedral of Our Saviour" in Oslo, but it doesn't look like the cathedral. Looking at pictures of the cathedral there are windows in the east wall on either side of the altar but in the video there are none, and the altars are different. Does anyone know in what church the funeral took place?

 

[An Ard Ri]

Here's the video of Queen Maud's funeral the high altar looks very different to the one in the video so you might be right Ian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVzGhyOyYyw

High Altar at Oslo Cathedral.
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/96/20/9f/oslo-cathedral-oslo-domkirke.jpg

 

[Iain]

Yes, that was the video I was watching and it looks nothing like the cathedral.

 

[theroyalfly]

Today in Royal History is the 123rd Wedding Anniversary of Princess Maud of Wales, daughter of King Edward VII of the United Kingdom, and Prince Carl of Denmark, later King Haakon VII of Norway.

 

[Curryong]

'The Secret of Queen Maud's Coffin'

https://www.talknorway.no/norway-royal-family-the-secret-of-queen-mauds-coffin/

And more details about the 1938 funeral.

 

[theroyalfly]

Today in Royal History is the 147th birthday of King Haakon VII born Prince Carl of Denmark. A Danish prince, he was the first king of Norway after the 1905 dissolution of the union with Sweden.

 

[Durham]

I recently watched a Norwegian language film on the BBC called The King's Choice (Kongens Nei) about King Haakon's role during the German invasion of Norway.

Haakon comes across as remarkable man, a true patriot & a fine king. What an inspirational story. I found it very emotional, especially a scene where Haakon talks to a very young soldier (a boy really) who is about to put his life on the line to protect his king.

Haakon comes across as literally the father of his people. I loved the way Norwegians raised their hats to their king as they passed by. Haakon's relationship with his grandson was so sweet & touching. Even gruff stern old men become like children with their grand children

Related to this is the story of the loss of HMS Glorious, HMS Acasta & HMS Ardent in which over 1500 men lost their lives. There is some suggestion that the commander of HMS Devonshire, which was evacuating King Haakon & the Crown Prince to England, did not pass on a message from Glorious that it had sighted German warships. Devonshire was under orders not to break radio silence. As a result the British had no idea that the ships had been attacked & sunk by the German battleships Scharnhorst & Gneisenau & no rescue attempt was put into effect. Nine hundred men are reported to have survived the initial sinking of Glorious but almost all of them succumbed over the next 72 hours in the cold waters of the North Sea waiting in vain for help that would never come. When Norwegian ships found the survivors three days later only 40 men were still alive. One of the worst British naval disasters of all times. What terrible events they were.

I will definitely rewatch this film. Very moving & uplifting. Alt for Norge.

 

[kathl29]

I recently watched a Norwegian language film on the BBC called The King's Choice (Kongens Nei) about King Haakon's role during the German invasion of Norway.

Haakon comes across as remarkable man, a true patriot & a fine king. What an inspirational story. I found it very emotional, especially a scene where Haakon talks to a very young soldier (a boy really) who is about to put his life on the line to protect his king.

Haakon comes across as literally the father of his people. I loved the way Norwegians raised their hats to their king as they passed by. Haakon's relationship with his grandson was so sweet & touching. Even gruff stern old men become like children with their grand children

I will definitely rewatch this film. Very moving & uplifting. Alt for Norge.

I watched this on SBS Australia and like you I was also very moved by this film. I have always loved the Norwegian family as I admire the love King Harald has for his people but did not know much about King Haakon. This film showed what a remarkable king he was during the the war and I would encourage anyone who gets the chance to see it.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

After the end of the Second World War, King Haakon VII and the Norwegian Royal Family returned to Norway aboard the cruiser HMS Norfolk on June 7, 1945.

 

[sm1939]

After the end of the Second World War, King Haakon VII and the Norwegian Royal Family returned to Norway aboard the cruiser HMS Norfolk on June 7, 1945.

I have just seen The film The Kings choice, so good, found it so interesting, has any one else seen it ?

 

[An Ard Ri]

I have just seen The film The Kings choice, so good, found it so interesting, has any one else seen it ?

Its an excellent movie ,really enjoyed it.

 

[sm1939]

Its an excellent movie ,really enjoyed it.

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I loved how passionate the king was for his people and Norway , and his relationship with his son .

 

[An Ard Ri]

I had forgotten that Swedish Government were less receptive about allowing the king and RF enter neutral Sweden and in the end they were escorted into northern Norway and later taken onboard the HMS Devonshire which then took a perilous journey the UK.

 

[sm1939]

I didn’t realise that until this film concerning the Swedish government.
So glad I finally got the chance to watch it.

 

[Blog Real]

Shouldn't this topic be in the Royal Norwegian History sub forum?

 

[Prinsara]

In the meantime you can see an enormous chunk of "Harry's" wardrobe at the National Museum site if you use the search engine for "Dronning Maud". She had amazing clothes, and it's lucky, because otherwise there could just be a big bunch of really ugly historically significant stuff.
https://www.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/stories/explore-the-collection/queen-maud--150-years/

 

[CyrilVladisla]

When Prince Carl of Denmark became King of Norway, do you think he made the Norwegian people happy by taking the name Haakon for his regnal name?

 

[Curryong]

It was an old Norse name, so I imagine they were pleased. He was always eager to be seen as a representative of Norway from the very beginning IMO.

 

[Prinsara]

When Prince Carl of Denmark became King of Norway, do you think he made the Norwegian people happy by taking the name Haakon for his regnal name?

Yes, probably; what nation regaining their independence from medieval times wouldn't be flattered? But it's not like it was an ingenious or uncommon thing to do — he would have just had to have looked at his Uncle Wilhelm, George I of Greece for the past several decades.

Do you think Maud made them unhappy by not changing her name?

 

[Curryong]

To me, and this is only my opinion, the name Maud, in spite of its part-Germanic origins, has a sort of Nordic ring to it anyway, reminiscent of Vikings and ancient halls of legend. Even though it wasn’t originally a Norwegian name apparently it’s still quite popular in Norway.

 

[Prinsara]

Which I'm fairly sure is due to their first modern Queen. There doesn't seem to be much of an explanation otherwise.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Yes, probably; what nation regaining their independence from medieval times wouldn't be flattered? But it's not like it was an ingenious or uncommon thing to do — he would have just had to have looked at his Uncle Wilhelm, George I of Greece for the past several decades.

Do you think Maud made them unhappy by not changing her name?

No, I do not believe that the Norwegian people were unhappy that Maud did not change her name.

 

[Feologild]

Yes, probably; what nation regaining their independence from medieval times wouldn't be flattered? But it's not like it was an ingenious or uncommon thing to do — he would have just had to have looked at his Uncle Wilhelm, George I of Greece for the past several decades.

Do you think Maud made them unhappy by not changing her name?

I have read the 8 part biographical book series about Haakon VII and Maud by Tor Bomann-Larsen, and as far as i remember there was never any suggestion that anybody unhappy that Maud did not change her name.

The 8 books where written between 2002 and 2019. They are probably the best books written about Haakon and Maud, as far as i know they are only available in Norwegian.

I know the question was not for me, but i answered it anyway.

 

[Feologild]

To me, and this is only my opinion, the name Maud, in spite of its part-Germanic origins, has a sort of Nordic ring to it anyway, reminiscent of Vikings and ancient halls of legend. Even though it wasn’t originally a Norwegian name apparently it’s still quite popular in Norway.

Its an old Germanic name

 

[Prinsara]

I have read the 8 part biographical book series about Haakon VII and Maud by Tor Bomann-Larsen, and as far as i remember there was never any suggestion that anybody unhappy that Maud did not change her name.

The 8 books where written between 2002 and 2019. They are probably the best books written about Haakon and Maud, as far as i know they are only available in Norwegian.

I know the question was not for me, but i answered it anyway.

It's a discussion board, so the questions are pretty much for anyone.

How can they be the best books about Haakon and Maud when they're most (in)famous for Bormann-Larsen making new accusations about their son's paternity and legitimacy? When other historians have generally pointed out his theory has huge holes in it?

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I have read the 8 part biographical book series about Haakon VII and Maud by Tor Bomann-Larsen, and as far as i remember there was never any suggestion that anybody unhappy that Maud did not change her name.

The 8 books where written between 2002 and 2019. They are probably the best books written about Haakon and Maud, as far as i know they are only available in Norwegian.

I know the question was not for me, but i answered it anyway.

Thank you very much. I hope you will continue to contribute. There is an unfortunate scarcity of Norwegian posters at the moment.

How can they be the best books about Haakon and Maud when they're most (in)famous for Bormann-Larsen making new accusations about their son's paternity and legitimacy? When other historians have generally pointed out his theory has huge holes in it?

Did Mr. Bormann-Larsen question King Olav's legitimacy? I was under the impression that his theory was limited to Olav's biological paternity.

I am not familiar with the critiques of his theories. Could you give a short summary?

 

[Prinsara]

Did Mr. Bormann-Larsen question King Olav's legitimacy? I was under the impression that his theory was limited to Olav's biological paternity.

I am not familiar with the critiques of his theories. Could you give a short summary?

Here: https://www.vg.no/rampelys/bok/i/zWwd5/kongebok-med-graverende-feil, and here: https://www.vg.no/rampelys/bok/i/0ezME/farskapsteorier-er-tilbakevist (Google translate). From here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Olav_V_of_Norway

Everyone also seems to point out Bormann-Larsen is an author, not a historian.

If Olav were not the biological child of Haakon I imagine that would have rather serious consequences for the NRF and his legitimacy as a rightful heir, since I don't know when non-biological children have been in lines of succession in the modern era.

 

[W.Y.CII]

I don't know would it be controversial at that time, but I guess for the current Norwegians could be care less about that, Olav proved that he's the good king for Norway, so does his heir Harald. I remember that I've seen a Norwegian commented that with something like, who cares he's the rightful king or not (biologically) if he had done it right.

 

[Prinsara]

So if anybody can do a good job as king, why have a hereditary monarchy at all and what right do the current Glucksborgs have to be there on the taxpayer dime? And why is Ingrid the heir and not Marius?